Roster is up
- Thread starter jack66
- Start date
With respect to Robbie Howard: he’s going to have to get a minimum of 4 matches to qualify for post season. Correct?
So, if Shunk does go, will we see Robbie in some extra matches to get him qualified? Or, if Cael would gamble, send him at 125 to Big Tens and hope he qualifies for NCAA’s at Big Tens?
So, if Shunk does go, will we see Robbie in some extra matches to get him qualified? Or, if Cael would gamble, send him at 125 to Big Tens and hope he qualifies for NCAA’s at Big Tens?
He’ll have plenty of opportunities to get the 4 matches. Keep in mind, if PSU has a dual, you may see some kids wrestle in the dual AND the “extra matches”.
So we're all clear on this: "4 matches" is only to get the Big Ten an auto-qualifier spot. It's still up to the wrestler to place that high at B10s.
Nobody must wrestle 4 matches in order to qualify for nationals. Those who don't are at risk of not getting an at-large if they don't place high enough at B10s.
This is just like Kyle Snyder wrestling fewer than 17 matches at HWT.
Robbie Howard can theoretically not wrestle at all until B10s. If he places 4th (or whatever the auto-qualifier allocation is), he's in.
Nobody must wrestle 4 matches in order to qualify for nationals. Those who don't are at risk of not getting an at-large if they don't place high enough at B10s.
This is just like Kyle Snyder wrestling fewer than 17 matches at HWT.
Robbie Howard can theoretically not wrestle at all until B10s. If he places 4th (or whatever the auto-qualifier allocation is), he's in.
Rumor has it that the number of extra matches on Saturday is going to be more limited this Saturday than other meets. Cael is looking to make it more difficult for Goodale to identify new recruits.
I believe Cael mentioned 4 matches in the context of being an eligibility requirement for an at-large bid for a wrestler who misses the B10 tournament. (I don’t know whether the miss must be due to COVID).
That is my understanding also. You can miss the BIG tournament but still qualify for an at-large bid if you have 4+ matches. Cael also said that if we go that route with anyone then we cannot enter anyone at BIGs for that weight. For instance, say Wrestler X has wrestled 4 matches and then must sit out 17 days (per BIG protocol) due to COVID and thus could not wrestle at BIGs we could not enter anyone at BIGs at Wrestler X weight class..
In case anyone missed it, Pat Donghia (sp) confirmed the “extra bouts” for non-starters will count as varsity bouts.
True enough. But the point is still that 4 matches is not a requirement for the NCAA tournament. It's a requirement for the back door to the NCAA tournament, for guys who don't knock down the front door.
BTW, there was a much more interesting nugget in the Cael presser: Cael's comment that a positive test amounts to a 17d suspension due to B10 rules. Essentially, there is now a huge incentive for PSU and Iowa to forfeit several weights at B10s.
Reason: NCAAs start 11d after B10s. And NCAA rules for this year allow guys to receive an at-large without competing at all in the conference qualifiers, as long as nobody wrestles for the team at that weight.
With that timing, why risk any top guys getting infected at B10s? All Lee, Kemerer, and Brooks could possibly gain or lose is NCAA seeding, as if they can't overcome that.
Last edited:
Damn Jefe, great point!
I could see some guys/coaches taking advantage of that for sure. Doubt AB throws away his chance at 5 B10 titles though.
E-J, you're smarter than you look...and I don't even know what you look like!
And prolly better off NOT knowingE-J, you're smarter than you look...and I don't even know what you look like!
I'd post a pic, but the internet can't handle this much awesome.E-J, you're smarter than you look...and I don't even know what you look like!
You misspelled Jammen.No worries E-J. I found your Insta.
P.S. You kinda asked for it!
That is why I was wondering whether missing the conference tournament *must* be due to COVID, if eligibility is to be preserved. Has anyone seen the actual phrasing of the actual rule?
Edit: and *if* it must be due to COVID, how big a lie would coaches have to tell to use a skip-the-conference-tourney trick?
Last edited:
Yeah, the trick is definitely for top guys only. Depending on the actual rules this year, some coaches of elite-but-not-super-elite wrestlers may outsmart themselves if they try to skip their conference tournament, because if too many other coaches use the same trick, there may not be enough at-large bids to go around.
Last edited:
I could be wrong, but this "not wrestling at all in the qualifiers" backdoor only happens if you test positive for Covid. Though you could probably wrestle a match or two to forefit, but I think you can't just not wrestle at all if healthy.
*If* the rules are as you say, maybe have a wrestler walk onto the round-1 mat in full hazmat spacesuit and default?
(But it‘ll be harder to make weight on a scale in a hazmat suit!)
Last edited:
*edit*
It was me misreading your explanation.
After reading your post again, you covered this. Wrestler doesn't need 4 matches, IF they steal an allocation spot at BIGs.
Is it then correct if a wrestler has 0 matches before BIGs and then go 0-2 or 1-2, then they can't make NCAAs(no matter what their ranking is)?
Are you certain about the no 4 match minimum? Is that a recent change, or am I misreading/understanding the rules?
The below link from the NCAA website has the criteria saying:
"wrestler with less than 4 matches would not be eligible for a pre-allocated spot for their conference, NOR would they be considered for at-large selections. A wrestler who wins the conference championship with less than 4 matches may retain that aq spot."
Last edited:
You are correct.
(From NCAA website)
"A wrestler who does not compete in his respective conference tournament, MAY still be eligible for an at-large selection. ONLY if he was unable to participate due to COVID related issues, and he was not replaced by a teammate in the conference tournament."
Another thing Cael mentioned was that the number of wrestlers allowed to travel was changed from 14 to 16. That in itself would seem to limit the number of extra matches to 6.
Covid related issues? Can they be any more vague??
Guys could, and have been getting more than one match at these duals.
You could also see starters going twice, so there can be more extra matches
Glad to be updated on this -- though "COVID related issues" still seems vague.
We're saying the same thing. There is no 4-match minimum if you win your way in. If you don't win your way in, then you need 4 matches to be eligible for an at-large.*edit*
It was me misreading your explanation.
After reading your post again, you covered this. Wrestler doesn't need 4 matches, IF they steal an allocation spot at BIGs.
Is it then correct if a wrestler has 0 matches before BIGs and then go 0-2 or 1-2, then they can't make NCAAs(no matter what their ranking is)?
Are you certain about the no 4 match minimum? Is that a recent change, or am I misreading/understanding the rules?
The below link from the NCAA website has the criteria saying:
"wrestler with less than 4 matches would not be eligible for a pre-allocated spot for their conference, NOR would they be considered for at-large selections. A wrestler who wins the conference championship with less than 4 matches may retain that aq spot."
There is a 4-match minimum for the conference to get an auto-qualifier. Which doesn't mean that wrestler reaches nationals -- those two terms (qualifier and auto-qualifier) get confused every year.
Of course, this year the at-larges are an even bigger crapshoot than usual. Between the small sample sizes and the lack of non-conference competition (including no Scuffle/Midlands/CKLV), good luck.
The Navy-Clarion dual had a whopping 24 (!) "Extra" matches. Many starters got additional matches.
And 20 for the tri meets I believe.
Guessing the coaches will have this planned before the trip, else no guarantee that opposition has an equivalent weight. Could PSU wrestle themselves in the extra matches? Could all four 149ers come and have a round robin at the end and it counts? They certainly end up wrestling each other in Southern Shuffle, etc. sometimes.
Finally, hoping no coaches use the extras as leverage against the other team. Last week of the season and your 125 needs one more match because the starter got hurt. Opposing coach doesn't field another 125 for the extra to benefit seeding of his guy (?)
Going to be an interesting season. Would be awesome to have 20 matches in a dual. There is never enough wrestling
Indeed it is.
No idea what the NCAA definition is, but at my company, "COVID related" translates to a person that received a negative test after the need(medically requested/verified) to test because of either being contact-traced to a positive case, or was displaying symptoms themselves.
All you would have to do is a week before B1Gs, is claim some of your wrestlers were "exposed".
Creates plenty of interesting opportunities to get guys different matches at diverse times. Rutgers lineup this weekend could see some strange options......different than many of the starting lineups which have been floated on this board and other places.
Ohio State fans think "COVID related" is an excuse for Harbaugh to avoid a beatdown.
Sure -- at least theoretically. Though I think it would be highly unlikely on a road match, with travel restrictions and not controlling the facility. Home matches more likely.
One other factor is having enough refs. Extra matches would require at least 1 extra ref, maybe more, to set up a rotation. Otherwise, they're gonna get real punchy, and we don't want guys getting injured because the refs got overworked.
IDK the B10 rules for officials, but guessing an intra-conference event would require B10 refs. Not sure if NCAA qualification is sufficient, or if the conference would be willing to waive that for this year.
If B10 considers the Extra matches as a separate non-conference event, then maybe NCAA qualified refs would suffice -- and there should be a bunch withing driving range of State College ...
... provided there isn't a rash of ref opt-outs.
The real question is...Can Bordo find a gif from every single Will Farrell movie before Saturday 2:29 PM.All you would have to do is a week before B1Gs, is claim some of your wrestlers were "exposed".
Looks like Brody Teske got two solid wins this weekend for UNI at 125 pounds. Easier to make the cut in Iowa, versus the sticky buns at State College? Very happy for him
Northern Iowa 27 North Dakota State 11
125 – Brody Teske (UNI) fall McGwire Midkiff (NDSU) 4:36
133 – Jack Skudlarczyk (UNI) dec Kellyn March (NDSU) 4-0
141 – Dylan Droegemueller (NDSU) maj Drew Bennett (UNI) 12-2
149 – Tristan Lara (UNI) dec Jaden Van Maanen (NDSU) 4-2
157 – Jared Franek (NDSU) dec Cayd Lara (UNI) 5-1
165 – Pat Schoenfelder (UNI) dec Luke Weber (NDSU) 7-2
174 – Lance Runyon (UNI) dec Riley Habisch (NDSU) 7-0
184 – Keegan Moore (UNI) dec TJ Pottinger (NDSU) 6-2
197 – Michael Nelson (NDSU) maj Tyrell Gordon (UNI) 10-1
285 – Carter Isley (UNI) fall Brandon Metz (NDSU) :41
Northern Iowa 28 South Dakota State 13
125 – Brody Teske (UNI) dec Danny Vega (SDSU) 13-11
133 – Kyle Biscoglia (UNI) fall Zach Price (SDSU) 6:22
141 – Clay Carlson (SDSU) dec Drew Bennett (UNI) 8-2
149 – Tristan Lara (UNI) fall Hunter Marko (SDSU) 5:42
157 – Cade DeVos (SDSU) dec Cayd Lara (UNI) 10-8
165 – Pat Schoenfelder (UNI) fall Kenny O’Neill (SDSU) 5:41
174 – Lance Runyon (UNI) dec Cade King (SDSU) 4-0
184 – Keegan Moore (UNI) maj Nick Casperson (SDSU) 18-7
197 – Tanner Sloan (SDSU) maj Tyrell Gordon (UNI) 14-1
285 – Blake Wolters (SDSU) dec John McConkey (UNI) 13-6
And streaming the entire movies would be bad internetting, so don’t try it, Bordeaux!
Similar threads
