Rumor going around that every Seahawk will sit for the anthem

[PSUriseANDfire]

Is there any legit reason why anyone would care?

FWIW, the PSU squad isn't even on the field (IIRC) during the National Anthem
Does anyone care?

The apparent purpose is to get people to care and pay attention. What better way to support and further your cause than to draw individual attention to yourself by not honoring the reason you are able to have the freedom to be an asshole?

Things can be better in our country(obviously), but how is someone making a show of themselves bettering anything? Especially in regards to the flag and anthem. It's more like an Oscar "IamGod" deal than any true movement.

 

[Grant Green]

Turned off the Broncos and Panthers after Brandon Marshall didn't stand. I won't watch a game when that happens.....it's my right.

What will you do if a psu player does it?

And if you are at the game?

 

[StinkStankStunk]

The apparent purpose is to get people to care and pay attention. What better way to support and further your cause than to draw individual attention to yourself by not honoring the reason you are able to have the freedom to be an asshole?

Things can be better in our country(obviously), but how is someone making a show of themselves bettering anything? Especially in regards to the flag and anthem. It's more like an Oscar "IamGod" deal than any true movement.

FWIW - - - I don't say "why should anyone care", meaning its just fine and dandy and no one should have a problem with it.

I am saying "why should anyone care", meaning who really gives a flying F what some knucklehead ballplayer's social statement is (kinda' like allowing Oprah F-ing Winfrey to determine who gets elected as POTUS.....or giving any heed to the myriad "celebrities" out there endorsing some dumb-ass political cause)......

We have come to live in a society where if Kim Kardashian came out with some "statement" regarding ObamaCare - - - - it would carry more weight with the general public than a joint statement issued by the Faculty of the Health Policy Graduate Program at Harvard University.

And THAT is the straight out truth.....not hyperbole.


In other words: who gives a flying F whether Colin Kaepernick "comes, stays, lays or prays" (to borrow a phrase from a favorite old movie)

 

[PSUriseANDfire]

What will you do if a psu player does it?

And if you are at the game?

That's where I am lost on some people. I obviously am not going to judge anything based on one two minute reaction or personal stance especially when it involves an entire group of people. I think there are people on here that complain about NBA basketball players "character" when it comes to why they don't like the NBA when it is obvious they haven't watched an NBA game since the 70's or ever. People want attention. And the NBA superstars right now LOVE doing good in this world.

Great gestures speak through action, not kneeling or sitting.

 

[wbcincy]

I can't help but wonder how many of the people feigning outrage over this are the same ones who never bother to take off their hats and salute the flag (or even stop talking) when the anthem is played. THAT is disrespect. That is what pisses ME off.

Making a protest is one of the most important things that that flag protects. That I can respect, even if I disagree.

Sounds like you've already decided how many, since you also already decided they're just feigning their outrage. Any other wholly unsubstantiated beliefs you've developed for that crowd?

 

[BUFFALO LION]

What will you do if a psu player does it?

And if you are at the game?

Personally, I'm done with that guy. He's just identified himself as a team cancer.

 

[BUFFALO LION]

You missed a great game.

A great game of what? Flag football?

Don't kid yourself. NFL football ain't what it used to be. Those of us that remember how the game used to be played when guys were actually allowed to tackle and hit the QB think that today's game is only a shadow of what it used to be. Add in a bunch of overpriced, pampered a$$holes that don't want to honor the same Flag I do, and it's bye bye baby. I'm not going to be pi$$ed on by a bunch of Left Wing, Anti-American multi-millionaires.

 

[YorkLion]

He was raised by "whites" who oppress the "blacks". These idiots seem interested in calling attention to themselves but what are they really doing to help the situation and their community. Are they really doing more harm than good.

 

[Nitt1300]

Salute the flag? I thought civilians or plain clothes removed their hats with their right hand and hold it towards your left shoulder so your right hand was over your heart. Military and Police in uniform leave their hats on and salute. Veterans are allowed to salute. If you are carrying and plain clothes, you are also supposed to salute. I was always under the impression Joe Smith and Jane Doe were not allowed to salute.

I don't have a problem with what Kaepernick is doing because he appears sincere. He is trying to make a difference but IMO could have chosen a different path. He is donating his first million and any money that he would get from his jersey sales. After NBC showed Marshall, I am wondering if some of the players are doing it for camera time.

(a)Designation.—
The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b)Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem—
(1) when the flag is displayed—
(A)
individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;
(B)
members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and
(C)
all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
(2)
when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301

 

[LukeIamYourFather]

Anybody notice how much worse race relations have gotten since electing Obama. He met hundreds of times at the white house early in his presidency with black activists. A couple of years later the liberal media pitches every instance of a black person getting shot by anyone other than another black person who is not a cop as racism.

They show pictures of the kids from pre-adolescence and ignore their current social media photos with guns and gang signs. They ignore their criminal records or the convenience store that they just robbed on the way to the confrontation with a cop. Obama comes out and tells you that if he had a boy, it would look like the kid. Obama comes out and tells you the cops acted stupidly without knowing the facts.

Then we have inner cities burning their own neighborhoods and looting. Now we have minorities hunting cops in revenge.

And these clowns want us to believe that minorities are oppressed? Sorry, this is all manufactured. We have our first half-black president for 8 years and suddenly we are supposed to believe that America is an oppressive regime against blacks? And multi-millionaire athletes are the symbol for oppressed minorities? Really? And we are supposed to listen to their message while they disrespect America openly? Yes, that will make people more receptive.

 

[Alphabets]

I'll say to those players what my father always told me.... If you don't like it around here.... then leave.

If these players don't like how things are being run in the U.S...... then leave. Buh bye. Smell ya later. Mother Russia is beautiful this time of year. North Korean sunsets are to die for in the late summer months. Buh bye.

 

[interrobang]

I think anyone that sits during the national anthem should go tour North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Syria, etc, to see what government oppression really is.

 

[psuro]

Interesting that most of the discussion focuses on Kaepernick's behavior, the act(s) of sitting or kneeling during the Anthem, not the issues to which he wants attention drawn. I'll be generous and give him a C-.

By "most of the discussion", if you mean this board or sports media, then yes, you are correct.

However, enough people over the years have made attempts to discuss the issue - the question is, do you care enough to listen? Maybe you don't and that is your choice. But the conversation(s) have been going been going on for decades.

 

[psuro]

They have a right to be assholes. We have a right to tell them to go to hell. I never watch the league anyway.

And you also have the right to be an asshole. And I have the right to tell you go to hell.

 

[psuro]

Sorry, it's a violation of my right to be entertained.

"Right" to be entertained? Did the Founding Fathers make that a corollary to the original Bill of Rights?

 

[psuro]

Turned off the Broncos and Panthers after Brandon Marshall didn't stand. I won't watch a game when that happens.....it's my right.

You are such a tough guy.

 

[Nitt1300]

Sounds like you've already decided how many, since you also already decided they're just feigning their outrage. Any other wholly unsubstantiated beliefs you've developed for that crowd?

If I had decided, I wouldn't be wondering. And if you don't think that some people are feigning outrage, you're simply deluding yourself.

 

[psuro]

If I had decided, I wouldn't be wondering. And if you don't think that some people are feigning outrage, you're simply deluding yourself.

Of course they are.....moral outrage is a gift that keeps on giving...

 

[Obliviax]

"Right" to be entertained? Did the Founding Fathers make that a corollary to the original Bill of Rights?

Obviously, I was joking. But I do have a right to my opinion, just as CK has his. So I can act on my opinion, which is to suspend watching NFL games until the NFL and players association puts a stop to this mess. And that is what I am going to do. Will it make a difference? Maybe not. But I cannot enjoy a game when a player does that so why watch?

Nobody is forcing him to play; nobody is forcing me to watch.

 

[AldenT]

Obviously, I was joking. But I do have a right to my opinion, just as CK has his. So I can act on my opinion, which is to suspend watching NFL games until the NFL and players association puts a stop to this mess. And that is what I am going to do. Will it make a difference? Maybe not. But I cannot enjoy a game when a player does that so why watch?

Nobody is forcing him to play; nobody is forcing me to watch.

Nobody forced me to read your post, but dammit I did it anyway!

 

[PennStateNate]

I have a huge issue with not standing on the 15th anniversary of the attacks.. Many great people lost their lives that day. If Seattle doesn't stand for them, they are a scumbag team, scumbag organization, with a super scumbag coach.

There are a ton of Seattle fans who are saying they will boo the crap out of their team if they don't stand on Sept 11th.. It should be interesting.

 

[Woodpecker]

"Right" to be entertained? Did the Founding Fathers make that a corollary to the original Bill of Rights?

Pursuit of Happiness? I guess it's in the Declaration of Independence but not the Constitution. I got nothin'

 

[psuro]

Nobody forced me to read your post, but dammit I did it anyway!

^^^^THIS^^^^

 

[bmw199]

Supposedly Seattle has announced they are all standing. I wouldn't doubt it is due to 9/11.

 

[Erial_Lion]

And these clowns want us to believe that minorities are oppressed? Sorry, this is all manufactured. We have our first half-black president for 8 years and suddenly we are supposed to believe that America is an oppressive regime against blacks? And multi-millionaire athletes are the symbol for oppressed minorities? Really? And we are supposed to listen to their message while they disrespect America openly? Yes, that will make people more receptive.

Spoken like someone that doesn't get it at all. Your post is a great example that we've still got a ways to go in America.

 

[idotter]

As a Vet I have a right to call them classless, entitled, rich jerks!

 

[Erial_Lion]

I'll say to those players what my father always told me.... If you don't like it around here.... then leave.

If these players don't like how things are being run in the U.S...... then leave. Buh bye. Smell ya later. Mother Russia is beautiful this time of year. North Korean sunsets are to die for in the late summer months. Buh bye.

The same things that could have been said to Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, our founding fathers, etc. Rather than stand up using the freedoms that those before us have fought for, they should be forced to head elsewhere if they don't agree with the majority.

 

[Pocono Lion]

As a Vet I have a right to call them classless, entitled, rich jerks!

Being a veteran doesn't give you that right, being an American citizen does.

 

[Lion84]

Whomever it is that supports the NFL.....we KNOW that they are more than happy to cheer on their "uniforms"......
Even if those uniforms are worn by wife-beaters, murderers, rapists, etc......
We KNOW that to be historical fact.

But NFL Fandom is gonna' walk away 'cause Colin Kaepernick is kneeling during the national anthem?
I guess so long as that dumb, fat, former ND lunkhead - and his sexually ambiguous jock-sniffing partner - yap about it for 30 minutes on the radio each morning, it will remain a "World-Changing National Issue."


PFFFFFFTTTTTT

The next time some wanna-be "celebrity bimbo" experiences an "accidental" cooter-flash, this will be yesterday's news........while everyone gets all jiggity over the issue of "Celebrity Cooter Flash: The Breakdown of the Moral Fiber of America"


When a society spends more time consternating about side-show freaks (Caitlin Jenner) than about the real issues we face
When we feel the need to reform national policy to determine which pisser should be used by a penis vs a vagina
When we have an electorate that will select a POTUS.....with no more consideration and thought given, than what it takes to look at a Facebook MEME


And we wonder why real impactful issues remain FUBAR?

Really?



But, yes indeed, lets make sure dicknutz Colin Kaepernick remains a relevant national issue.

Meanwhile, 15 years after "9/11", we've still got 10,000+ troops over in Afghanistan - trying to "stabilize" a regime that is nothing more than a Heroin cartel. (Just one of 317,000,000 issues that should be receiving more attention and concern than Colin Fing Kaepernick)
But it is so much more intellectually easy to view Colin Kaepernick, and his douchebag buddies, as the #1 societal issue of our day.

Super!

Wow - This is an A+ rant in my book. Well done no matter what side your are on.

 

[Alphabets]

The same things that could have been said to Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, our founding fathers, etc. Rather than stand up using the freedoms that those before us have fought for, they should be forced to head elsewhere if they don't agree with the majority.

That's the great part about our country...no one is forcing him or any of these players to do anything. They can stay....I just wish they would leave. You know, the whole "grass isn't always greener" thing. Spend a winter in North Korea if you feel so strong about your opinion on the country you live in. Nobody will close the door on these players or force them through it....I just hope it hits them on the a$$ on the way out. Buh-bye.

 

[Cpeplion]

And while the media focuses/diverts all our attention to this crap Native Americans and North Dakota are getting their land stolen and physically attacked by big oil....or the $400 million in taxpayer money that was paid to Iran...or the banking industry preparing for a nuclear winter...or the Chinese warships that are off the coast of Alaska....or the emails released that prove George Soros has been funding the uprisings in our country to prepare a police state...or that Hilary's staff was destroying evidence with hammers...or the landmark study by the UK government that concluded that half of cancer patients are dying from chemo treatments and not actual cancer........

Buy by all means.....keep focusing on these asshats that aren't standing for the anthem

 

[bmw199]

the landmark study by the UK government that concluded that half of cancer patients are dying from chemo treatments and not actual cancer

Be careful with this one. That's not exactly what it said.

or the banking industry preparing for a nuclear winter

This one also is way out of context if you read the CNBC article on it. It states flat out the worst case is still not as bad as Lehman.

 

[Obliviax]

The same things that could have been said to Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, our founding fathers, etc. Rather than stand up using the freedoms that those before us have fought for, they should be forced to head elsewhere if they don't agree with the majority.

Do you really believe the problem is the same as it was for Rosa Parks and MLK? So far, we've had several seminal events that have led to this. All of them were adjudicated, many with Dept of Justice oversight (led by a black man/woman and directed by a black POTUS). All of them let to exonerations by the police officers/shooters (Zimmerman, Ferguson, Baltimore, Cleveland). Is there a problem? Of course there is. Why is it not being addressed? Go to each of these cities and ask the question. Ask the Justice Department. As POTUS.

BTW, its an election year and politicians want you to get off your butt and vote.

 

[gobble2]

Welp, I'm out. I watch football on Saturdays now. I know Philly's symphony and opera aren't as good as Pittsburgh's (tic Phillys are amazing, great way to impress a girl) but I will find something else to do on Sundays.

Same here, good day to do other things with family. Never spend a dime or waste time watching these ungrateful overpaid cry babies.

 

[bmw199]

Do you really believe the problem is the same as it was for Rosa Parks and MLK? So far, we've had several seminal events that have led to this. All of them were adjudicated, many with Dept of Justice oversight (led by a black man/woman and directed by a black POTUS). All of them let to exonerations by the police officers/shooters (Zimmerman, Ferguson, Baltimore, Cleveland). Is there a problem? Of course there is. Why is it not being addressed? Go to each of these cities and ask the question. Ask the Justice Department. As POTUS.

BTW, its an election year and politicians want you to get off your butt and vote.

Also, all anecdotal. If the weather man reports only on days it rains, you'd think it rained everyday.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Do you really believe the problem is the same as it was for Rosa Parks and MLK?

Nope. But I'm sure that 50 years ago, people were telling Rosa Parks and MLK "Do you really believe that these problems are the same as those in the 1860s fighting to free the slaves". Just because things are better than they were in the past doesn't mean that those who disagree with the injustices that still exist in the country should passively let it go because things are better than before (or things are better than they are in North Korea).

 

[Obliviax]

Be careful with this one. That's not exactly what it said.


This one also is way out of context if you read the CNBC article on it. It states flat out the worst case is still not as bad as Lehman.

That CNBC article is crap. First, the multinationals and politicians decried Brexit as doom and gloom to get people to vote against it. They immediately started to backtrack when it passed (predictably). But that did damage to the investment community. Second, Banks always do these doom and gloom scenarios. This is nothing new. But if you add three things up: Brexit, the tightening of venture capital and ongoing disaster planning, you get a great story to drive clicks.

 

[bmw199]

That CNBC article is crap. First, the multinationals and politicians decried Brexit as doom and gloom to get people to vote against it. They immediately started to backtrack when it passed (predictably). But that did damage to the investment community. Second, Banks always do these doom and gloom scenarios. This is nothing new. But if you add three things up: Brexit, the tightening of venture capital and ongoing disaster planning, you get a great story to drive clicks.

Well, I agree the headline drove clicks but the article was pretty tame when you actually read it. Bsaically they just upped the worst case scenarios for their stress tests. Mild news at best. So, I think we agree?

 

[Obliviax]

Nope. But I'm sure that 50 years ago, people were telling Rosa Parks and MLK "Do you really believe that these problems are the same as those in the 1860s fighting to free the slaves". Just because things are better than they were in the past doesn't mean that those who disagree with the injustices that still exist in the country should passively let it go because things are better than before (or things are better than they are in North Korea).

First, there were no black leaders in political positions to make a difference. Today, lets take Baltimore as an example, Black President, Black AG, Black Mayor and Black Police Commissioner.

So, again, is there a problem? Of course. Is it analogous to 1968? Hardly.

 

[harbest]

The United States of America IS a free country where people are free to support or protest causes to their hearts desire. That means everybody including people who desire to protest their protests. But it only becomes effective when somebody takes the bull by the horns and does something to solve the problem in the first place.