Rumor going around that every Seahawk will sit for the anthem

[burghBuck]

Welp, I'm out. I watch football on Saturdays now. I know Philly's symphony and opera aren't as good as Pittsburgh's (tic Phillys are amazing, great way to impress a girl) but I will find something else to do on Sundays.

I don't really think ospreys should be required to stand for any national anthem...they're just a bird for crying out loud!! Now maybe bald eagles should have some sort of requirement to at least remove their hats, but that's a special case.

As far as CK, interest will eventually wane and people will move on to other things if his only strategy is to sit/kneel during the anthem and wear socks likening police to pigs. Honestly, my biggest issue with him is the socks. If you're trying to make a cogent and reasonable argument for discussion and raising awareness and fostering change that requires everyone's cooperation and buy-in, wearing cartoonish cop/pig socks shows an incredible lack of maturity and thoughtfulness.

 

[NC2017]

When I saw #54 kneeling, I turned the game off and watched a James Bond movie. I suggest others who find this conduct distasteful do the same thing. It's really simple stuff.

 

[Obliviax]

I love ya Obliv but your right and your wrong at the same time on this one.

My pet peeve is with organized efforts to disenfranchise citizens.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/jim-demint-voter-id-laws/480876/

Voter ID laws, limiting polling stations, limiting absentee balloting, clinging to an antiquated tradition of Tuesday elections. Anything that makes it harder for people to vote instead of easier is a very big problem and a threat to our democracy.

It is a well organized effort, thought out by teams of lawyers and party strategists and disseminated to the state apparatchiks, PA being among them.

This is a challenge that we thought was overcome in 1965. Yet, 50 years later it rears it's ugly head...again. Why? Because the big data guys in political parties understand where the country's demographics are headed. One way to combat unfavorable demographics is to disenfranchise the opponents base.

IMO, that is flat out racism.

Totally disagree. Their is a big difference between voter ID laws, made by the government, and a business entity trying to protect their franchise. That is why there is "free speech" against govt entities but not "free speech" in business environments. The NFL can negotiate a policy with the NFLPA. If emplyees don't want to adhere to that policy, they are free to go elsewhere and practice their free speech all they want.

..and to your final point, yes it is racism. But one party gets called on it by the media, and the other doesn't.

 

[Obliviax]

We agree to disagree then...

How do you feel about boycotting Chic fil a because the founder's position on marriage is that it should be between a man and a woman? Or the NBA pulling out of North Carolina?

 

[dmallory7]

Thanks to the OP for posting - and to those posting similar topics the past few days. These posts separate those that have moral valves, respect and integrity from the ignorant, thoughtless, disrespectful posters whom I view as babbling leeches on our society. Yes, I'm entitled to my opinion.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

How do you feel about boycotting Chic fil a because the founder's position on marriage is that it should be between a man and a woman? Or the NBA pulling out of North Carolina?

Good news for those people who love chicken and aren't afraid of gay people. I applaud the Chc Fil A owners because they own a business and stuck their head out. I don't agree with their antiquated views, but they weren't afraid to lose $$$'s for their beliefs.

Good news for NOLA I guess as the whole transgender uproar was a good 20 minutes of crap and now most people understand this isn't going to impact their lives all that much.

I think some protests are great and I think some are driven by the media and political parties in power here as they work to divide the country further. Sadly they are winning.

 

[Grant Green]

Thanks to the OP for posting - and to those posting similar topics the past few days. These posts separate those that have moral valves, respect and integrity from the ignorant, thoughtless, disrespectful posters whom I view as babbling leeches on our society. Yes, I'm entitled to my opinion.

It actually just separates people with differing opinions and viewpoints. However, your post has separated you as being someone with a closed mind who thinks his way is the only way.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Maybe the bigger question should be "Is this protest effective in shedding light on the cause?" In the CK case? I'm not sure. At this point, I think the focus is definitely on the outrage rather than the cause he's protesting against.

Of course it has shined more light on the cause. There is obviously outrage that comes along with it about how he's doing things. But take a look at places like ESPN, sports talk, yahoo, this message board, etc, and you'll see a lot more chatter about these issues than you would have see if CK and company just kept standing up every game.

 

[Obliviax]

I may agree or disagree with someone's view point I don't really care if they choose to protest or not.

I think a lot of this is just manufactured outrage on both sides. The whole dustup over transgender bathrooms in schools....really? Do you think 10 year olds or even 15 year olds really care? They just want a place to pee. Why is this a thing now? Are transgender people new? How did we deal with this 10, 50, 100 years ago?

Maybe the bigger question should be "Is this protest effective in shedding light on the cause?" In the CK case? I'm not sure. At this point, I think the focus is definitely on the outrage rather than the cause he's protesting against.

Oh, I don't care if they protest...but do it on their time. I am tuning in to be entertained by a football game. If I want to see that, I'll watch MSNBC or Fox or CNN. Its just not the appropriate place.

 

[PennStateNate]

Guys, it's going to be the 15th anniversary of 9/11.. I don't see why ANYONE would be ok with the protests on that day?

 

[LukeIamYourFather]

Spoken like someone that doesn't get it at all. Your post is a great example that we've still got a ways to go in America.

I guess anyone that disagrees with you just doesn't get it then, in which case, I'm happy to oblige. Then of course I have served 2 decades in the military and in multiple combat zones before retiring and have some reasons of my own for seeing this different than the common liberal being fed their opinion by a comedian "news"caster.

 

[Erial_Lion]

I guess anyone that disagrees with you just doesn't get it then, in which case, I'm happy to oblige. Then of course I have served 2 decades in the military and in multiple combat zones before retiring and have some reasons of my own for seeing this different than the common liberal being fed their opinion by a comedian "news"caster.

No, you don't get it because you tried using the old "how can minorities be oppressed when there is a black man in the White House" logic.

And thanks for your service to our country. It's people like you fighting for our rights that make it possible to have these discussions and keep moving our country forward.

 

[LukeIamYourFather]

No, you don't get it because you tried using the old "how can minorities be oppressed when there is a black man in the White House" logic.

And thanks for your service to our country. It's people like you fighting for our rights that make it possible to have these discussions and keep moving our country forward.

Do you want to be intellectually honest and not paraphrase my words to your liking? I did not say what you implied that I said. I have yet to see you apply logic to your own argument therefore why would we assume that you understand mine?

 

[psu1969a]

Welp, I'm out. I watch football on Saturdays now. I know Philly's symphony and opera aren't as good as Pittsburgh's (tic Phillys are amazing, great way to impress a girl) but I will find something else to do on Sundays.

who cares, just another reason not to watch the "no fun league".

 

[Nitt1300]

I guess anyone that disagrees with you just doesn't get it then, in which case, I'm happy to oblige. Then of course I have served 2 decades in the military and in multiple combat zones before retiring and have some reasons of my own for seeing this different than the common liberal being fed their opinion by a comedian "news"caster.

As a fellow veteran I appreciate your service and of course your right to whatever opinion you hold. I do not however respect the use of labels like "liberal" or "conservative", "left wing" or "right wing". It's intellectually lazy and it adds nothing to any real understanding of political differences. More importantly, far too many people use these terms as ways to simply dismiss different points of view- and you don't solve problems that way. Democracy is a messy business indeed, but would you really have it any other way?

 

[Erial_Lion]

Do you want to be intellectually honest and not paraphrase my words to your liking? I did not say what you implied that I said. I have yet to see you apply logic to your own argument therefore why would we assume that you understand mine?

I said: No, you don't get it because you tried using the old "how can minorities be oppressed when there is a black man in the White House" logic.

Your words, copied word for word from an earlier post in this thread, were: And these clowns want us to believe that minorities are oppressed? Sorry, this is all manufactured. We have our first half-black president for 8 years and suddenly we are supposed to believe that America is an oppressive regime against blacks?

I guess I'm missing the big difference between those two statements.

 

[psuro]

First, there were no black leaders in political positions to make a difference. Today, lets take Baltimore as an example, Black President, Black AG, Black Mayor and Black Police Commissioner.

So, again, is there a problem? Of course. Is it analogous to 1968? Hardly.

That depends on your point of view.

Are you the white cop with a gun?

Or are you the non white person staring at the gun? In 2016.

Sorry Obli but you have been flat out wrong about this since day one. It's time for you to stop.

 

[Obliviax]

That depends on your point of view.

Are you the white cop with a gun?

Or are you the non white person staring at the gun? In 2016.

Sorry Obli but you have been flat out wrong about this since day one. It's time for you to stop.

It was the rule of law

 

[LukeIamYourFather]

I said: No, you don't get it because you tried using the old "how can minorities be oppressed when there is a black man in the White House" logic.

Your words, copied word for word from an earlier post in this thread, were: And these clowns want us to believe that minorities are oppressed? Sorry, this is all manufactured. We have our first half-black president for 8 years and suddenly we are supposed to believe that America is an oppressive regime against blacks?

I guess I'm missing the big difference between those two statements.

You are still pulling just a small portion of what I had written completely out of context. And yet, I never said what your dishonest quote says nor did I ever imply that. Instead what I have implied is that blacks never believed that they were so oppressed as they do now after 8 years of a half black president and his liberal media lapdogs telling people over and over just how oppressed that blacks are with every manufactured racism encounter.

Each criminal that the liberal media shows photos of when they were 12 while ignoring the current photos with gang signs and stolen weapons, that was killed resisting arrest after some crime they just committed, is pitched as racism. Sorry for labels my other veteran friend, but there is no other way to describe media that purposely misrepresents the stories over and over to support their political teammates (who would in fact refer to their own selves with the label of liberal).

My point is not that you can't have racism because we have a half-black president but rather that there has been a concerted effort politically lead to present everything as racism. This is being done for political power. Fools like Kaepernick and the other clowns are political pawns. They are easily controlled. Useful idiots. And those of you defending their anti-American tantrums are pawns of the pawns. Not sure there is a name for that but the professional politicians own you. They apparently have correctly assumed that you would be unable or unwilling to think for yourselves.

Any of you who don't know that BLM, each new misrepresented cop hating racism story, and each clown "has been" NFLer disrespecting our Country is part of coordinated political themes, I feel sorry for you. It must be terrible going through life so clueless. Wake up and try to see the patterns. It's not hard.

 

[Eurotrash1]

You are still pulling just a small portion of what I had written completely out of context. And yet, I never said what your dishonest quote says nor did I ever imply that. Instead what I have implied is that blacks never believed that they were so oppressed as they do now after 8 years of a half black president and his liberal media lapdogs telling people over and over just how oppressed that blacks are with every manufactured racism encounter.

Each criminal that the liberal media shows photos of when they were 12 while ignoring the current photos with gang signs and stolen weapons, that was killed resisting arrest after some crime they just committed, is pitched as racism. Sorry for labels my other veteran friend, but there is no other way to describe media that purposely misrepresents the stories over and over to support their political teammates (who would in fact refer to their own selves with the label of liberal).

My point is not that you can't have racism because we have a half-black president but rather that there has been a concerted effort politically lead to present everything as racism. This is being done for political power. Fools like Kaepernick and the other clowns are political pawns. They are easily controlled. Useful idiots. And those of you defending their anti-American tantrums are pawns of the pawns. Not sure there is a name for that but the professional politicians own you. They apparently have correctly assumed that you would be unable or unwilling to think for yourselves.

Any of you who don't know that BLM, each new misrepresented cop hating racism story, and each clown "has been" NFLer disrespecting our Country is part of coordinated political themes, I feel sorry for you. It must be terrible going through life so clueless. Wake up and try to see the patterns. It's not hard.

OMG, you drink way too much Fox News Kool-Aide. The reason Black people are outraged isn't because the media is telling them to be. It's because lately a lot of them have been shot by the people who are charged with protecting them. Yes, I can agree the racial divide is larger because of how the press chooses to cover this issue. However, it doesn't change the fact some innocent people who happen to be black have been shot and killed by people who happen to be cops.

 

[bmw199]

OMG, you drink way too much Fox News Kool-Aide. The reason Black people are outraged isn't because the media is telling them to be. It's because lately a lot of them have been shot by the people who are charged with protecting them. Yes, I can agree the racial divide is larger because of how the press chooses to cover this issue. However, it doesn't change the fact some innocent people who happen to be black have been shot and killed by people who happen to be cops.

If you only saw weather reports for rain in a place you didn't live you'd think it only rained there

 

[LafayetteBear]

I guess anyone that disagrees with you just doesn't get it then, in which case, I'm happy to oblige. Then of course I have served 2 decades in the military and in multiple combat zones before retiring and have some reasons of my own for seeing this different than the common liberal being fed their opinion by a comedian "news"caster.

I value your military service, but not your opinion.

 

[LukeIamYourFather]

If you only saw weather reports for rain in a place you didn't live you'd think it only rained there

Exactly. And the media has manufactured racism and hate out of what should be non-stories. Ever notice that by the time the facts come out, the cops are exonerated and deemed to have acted within their right to defend themselves? It should tell you something when the liberal media has to try SO hard to find stories that fit their narrative and SO hard to misrepresent the facts of those stories to get the public duped into believing that it is racism that caused the act.

Was Trayvon really a pre-adolescent just out getting skittles when a white adult hunted him down? Well, turns out the white guy was Hispanic, Trayvon was like 6'3" and had pictures of himself on social media with guns and gangs signs and there is significant evidence that he ambushed the short out of shape Hispanic guy and tried to kill him.

What about Brown? The dude was a gentle giant right and the cop was so wrong to shoot him with his hands up? Except that Brown had just knocked over a convenience store, was walking down the middle of the road, and then assaulted the cop inside his police car and went for the cops weapon.

How about the multi-millionaire black protestor at Missou? He and other black students claim harassment because of race. Then videos emerge of gangs of black students intimidating their peers publically, the rich black hunger strike kid actually eating the whole time through his hunger strike, and people using force to kick Asian students out from the protest areas. Now Missouri has a problem that people don't want to attend their school anymore. Hmmm....you don't say?

Time after time after time there is a racism story that is manufactured as part of this ongoing political theme and time after time the facts have proven the original liberal media narrative to be false. Yet time after time, you want to take the bait? Why doesn't this same media report on the vast majority of black lives that don't matter because they were taken by black criminals in Chicago or Baltimore or Philly? Why don't those lives matter? Why do ONLY the black lives matter that can be useful in advancing a political agenda? It is clear that those black lives have zero value to the liberal media. It is clear that those black lives have zero value to the liberal politicians.

Can we be honest about this stuff? Are you willing to think more deeply than your comedian delivering your "news" would like? Are you willing to use a different vehicle to bring your message to light than openly disrespecting the greatest Country in the world and the least oppressive Nation on Earth for minorities? Are we willing to put on the table discussion about why you aren't complaining that it is racist to have scholarships, admission preferences, hiring preferences, small business loans, government contract preferences etc for minorities? Are we willing to discuss the real reasons why blacks are committing crimes and thus having encounters with police at such a disproportionate rate?

Sorry, I don't believe that anyone wants an honest debate. People are misquoting those against the whinny athletes left and right. They are misrepresenting positions purposely. The liberal media is purposely misrepresenting stories. The liberal media is disproportionately reporting on lives lost that can only be useful for a political agenda. Why does the left feel compelled to misrepresent?

 

[kgilbert78]

I love ya Obliv but your right and your wrong at the same time on this one.

My pet peeve is with organized efforts to disenfranchise citizens.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/jim-demint-voter-id-laws/480876/

Voter ID laws, limiting polling stations, limiting absentee balloting, clinging to an antiquated tradition of Tuesday elections. Anything that makes it harder for people to vote instead of easier is a very big problem and a threat to our democracy.

It is a well organized effort, thought out by teams of lawyers and party strategists and disseminated to the state apparatchiks, PA being among them.

This is a challenge that we thought was overcome in 1965. Yet, 50 years later it rears it's ugly head...again. Why? Because the big data guys in political parties understand where the country's demographics are headed. One way to combat unfavorable demographics is to disenfranchise the opponents base.

IMO, that is flat out racism.

Let's look at the flip side on some of this then, as my home state of Ohio has been in the news lately. Ohio already has one of the more liberal voting laws in the country. But as a buddy of mine one said. Give them a week and they want two. Give them two, and they want three. And so on. One of the recent changes they tried to make was closing the early voting a day or two before the election. Why? Local boards of election--which are bipartisan--were going crazy trying to straighten out the rolls before the polls opened on Tuesday. A court struck it down under the heading that it was "disenfranchising citizens". I doubt they'll be happy until folks can vote year-round.

I'll also note that *every single registered voter* in Ohio gets an absentee ballot application mailed to them at taxpayer expense. Every one. Yet Ohio has been repeatedly accused of disenfranchising voters by not giving them enough time to vote.

I think it is most unwise to have these super extended voting periods. Much comes up during the last few weeks of a campaign that may be of use in casting a educated vote.

Let's set a reasonable time and stick with it. If you cannot take the time to at least put a stamp on a letter to get an absentee ballot, that's been mailed to you, then your vote is really not that important to you. And I do not think we should encourage that behavior.

 

[massimoManca II]

Anybody notice how much worse race relations have gotten since electing Obama. He met hundreds of times at the white house early in his presidency with black activists. A couple of years later the liberal media pitches every instance of a black person getting shot by anyone other than another black person who is not a cop as racism.

They show pictures of the kids from pre-adolescence and ignore their current social media photos with guns and gang signs. They ignore their criminal records or the convenience store that they just robbed on the way to the confrontation with a cop. Obama comes out and tells you that if he had a boy, it would look like the kid. Obama comes out and tells you the cops acted stupidly without knowing the facts.

Then we have inner cities burning their own neighborhoods and looting. Now we have minorities hunting cops in revenge.

And these clowns want us to believe that minorities are oppressed? Sorry, this is all manufactured. We have our first half-black president for 8 years and suddenly we are supposed to believe that America is an oppressive regime against blacks? And multi-millionaire athletes are the symbol for oppressed minorities? Really? And we are supposed to listen to their message while they disrespect America openly? Yes, that will make people more receptive.

using your optics, perhaps yes. Wonder why that is?

 

[Football79Dude]

Did Pete Carroll convince them that America was behind 9/11?