Sandusky Scandal Costs Approach 1/4 Billion.
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They weren't "required" to call the police and they didn't. All it cost them were their reputations
as well as Penn States. It also cost PSU millions and sanctions for the football program. But
the dolts keep repeating that "required" mantra. They must be satisfied with the outcome.
No, you imbecile. Corbett and his cronies did that. What don't you get about "not required" which was based upon horseshit Mike put forth?You're an imbecile.
No, you imbecile. Corbett and his cronies did that. What don't you get about "not required" which was based upon horseshit Mike put forth?You're an imbecile.
I forgot that the Governor did it because he was laundering money for criminals (farmers)
through TSM. You are such a twit.
I love how these trolls say things like "all they did was report it to his own enabling agency"...
They act as if the admins should have known/assumed at the time that TSM wasn't following the law/protocol re: looking into incident reports involving one of their employees and kids. TSM was a NATIONALLY recognized childrens charity run by a phd in psychology who was a mandatory reporter. Not exactly small potatoes. JR was infinitely more qualified to deal with MM vague assumption riddled report since he and his dad decided NOT to handle it as a criminal complaint (MM never filed a report with UPPD on the record) and the admins had no control over JS or his access to kids.
They also seem to forget that MM never said MORE needed to be done when Curley called a few weeks later to follow up. From the admins perspective the witness was satisfied with TSM handling his report and they all went on with their lives for the next 9 yrs.
They act as if the admins should have known/assumed at the time that TSM wasn't following the law/protocol re: looking into incident reports involving one of their employees and kids. TSM was a NATIONALLY recognized childrens charity run by a phd in psychology who was a mandatory reporter. Not exactly small potatoes. JR was infinitely more qualified to deal with MM vague assumption riddled report since he and his dad decided NOT to handle it as a criminal complaint (MM never filed a report with UPPD on the record) and the admins had no control over JS or his access to kids.
They also seem to forget that MM never said MORE needed to be done when Curley called a few weeks later to follow up. From the admins perspective the witness was satisfied with TSM handling his report and they all went on with their lives for the next 9 yrs.
Once 98 was a done deal it set forth a path they were not going to deviate from. 98 and 01 are tied at the hip.
The semantics of this are funny. Anybody of them absolutely could have called the police. There was nothing to prevent them from doing so, while at the same time there was nothing requiring them to do so. With the benefit of hindsight, somebody should have done so.
That said, if the actions that were taking place were worthy of calling the police then it is entirely on McQueary to have done so at the time that he witnessed it. How he could justify not doing so at the time is beyond me if you believe the rest of the story.
That said, if the actions that were taking place were worthy of calling the police then it is entirely on McQueary to have done so at the time that he witnessed it. How he could justify not doing so at the time is beyond me if you believe the rest of the story.
Also contributed by RB, to correct parens, shown here also in parens for comparison:
-Psychologist* did make report to Childline Hotline (requiring) Dept to do an investigation not locals.
-Because 2nd Mile is (contractor), it needs to be investigated by Dept. Pub. Welfare (illegible but underlined for emphasis) office.
According to what MCQ told Dr and Dad, he witnessed nothing sexual.
And, 1998 set a precedent for all action thereafter. Why are you excusing what happened in 1998? It involved all the proper organizations. It involved the so-called "professionals".
Even more interesting is the continual ignoring of those who have seen more evidence than we:
1. PAOAG considered Paterno to have notified police via Schultz. (Fina on 60 minutes)
2. Commonwealth argued (circularly) in C/S/S case that Schultz WAS a law enforcement authority :
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You seem to be confusing other people with the people you are talking to here.
So we know for certain that no one contacted the proper authorities? Even though Freeh's OGBOT benefactors have spent millions to keep source materials of this bogus "independent investigation" hidden from sight. Of course any call to CYS or DPW resulting in an "unfounded" conclusion would have been expunged about 10 years ago.
So we believe career cop Tom Harmon who spins the tale that he never questioned why Schultz was curious about the existence of the '98 report. The report that Ole Tom had misfiled.
It must be reassuring to blame this quarter of a billion dollar and counting disaster on the failure to make a phone call. Rather I will continue to ask......what are the OGBOT hiding? TSM, Central Mountain High School, Centre County OAG, The judges and courts that approved JS for adoption and foster care,CYS and DPW were all pawns in the PSU Football Culture Problem?
So we believe career cop Tom Harmon who spins the tale that he never questioned why Schultz was curious about the existence of the '98 report. The report that Ole Tom had misfiled.
It must be reassuring to blame this quarter of a billion dollar and counting disaster on the failure to make a phone call. Rather I will continue to ask......what are the OGBOT hiding? TSM, Central Mountain High School, Centre County OAG, The judges and courts that approved JS for adoption and foster care,CYS and DPW were all pawns in the PSU Football Culture Problem?
TYVM !
As I told RB when asking for input post-analysis, I decided to remove any other influence and did not:
1. Re-read the 2013 court transcript in case of court reporter error.
2. Re-read any blog posts with other analysis.
In order to compare later to see if it all matched up.
Any luck on TLH yet?
Read 2001 CPSL much? Yes, it's really terrible when the law is consulted and the right procedure is followed....
Corbett, to distract from TSM, charged the founder of TSM with henious crimes. In this very clever ruse, noone would ever look at TSM.
Certainly not the IRS, postal service, FBI. He just got lucky that when they all investigated TSM they found nothing amiss.
Could you tell me what the harm would have been in contacting the police? I find it sickening that the defense of the inaction is "well, something sexual between a man and a boy may have occurred, but let not worry about contacting police because the law doesn't require that from us." Fantastic... give those men medals.
Wow
That statement alone just shows how little you know and understand about these situations - it truly does
I've tried to educate you, and others, but by making that statement it just show how far gone you are
Sorry, your logic is that of people who don't want to deal with serious issues. "Well, Jerry was caught showering with a boy in 98 and nothing happened so surely the same thing would have happened here!" Why? It's a silly notion.
Rod got a medal after giving Sandusky access to PSU facilities.Could you tell me what the harm would have been in contacting the police? I find it sickening that the defense of the inaction is "well, something sexual between a man and a boy may have occurred, but let not worry about contacting police because the law doesn't require that from us." Fantastic... give those men medals.
You have no idea what is a sexual sound. Mike can't and surely did not describe it. You can't define it, either.
The youth supposedly did not look in distress.The distance from the entry to the locker room to the shower makes it impossible to discern what was making the sound let alone discerning that it was related to any sort of "sexual activity".
Please, amuse the audience, and tell me what you think was a sexual sound that Mike heard? What are your plausible explanations? This ought to be good.
True. Maybe Jerry & the boy were nakedly high-fiving, repeatedly and rythmically, over and over again, and again, to celebrate the workout where they did not even break a sweat, but stopped this entirely innocent behavior INSTANTLY once they realized someone else was in the locker room.
"repeatedly and rhythmically" .... Mike was in the locker room no more than 45 seconds total. There is no way for him to determine rhythm or action. McQ had quick 'glances' only.
And, if they st0pped INSTANTLY, it further undermines MMcQ's ability to ascertain what was happening, or what had happened.
Eyewitness accounts are notoriously inaccurate as well.
Didn't Dranov just recently testify to the question "did MM tell you anything that warranted the police be contacted?" Answer no. Would you agree what MM told Dranov could have been construed as something "sexual in nature". The trained professional doesn't think the police need to be contacted but you do. Well I feel better now.
Not to relitigate this for the thousandth time but add Mr M and Dranov to that list. You have two professionals who should have much more knowledge about whether the police should be contacted and they decided no. So the "experts" say don't call the police but the 70 year old coach should know what to do. Silly
Rhythmic slapping sounds that were sexual in nature. I think all of us can put a picture to that description. However, the physics involved between a tall adult and a kid to match that sound would have been virtually impossible in that context for MM to not see the kid as distressed or in pain or anything.
Were they trained professionals in pedophilia? They were no more or less qualified than anyone else
MM told.
Silly is a good word for it. Absurd is another one. Proposterous works as well.
I believe Dranov was specifically trained and Mr M as a health care professional i am certain has had more tarining in CSA than 70 year old football coach.
Way to prove you only read selected posts.Could you tell me what the harm would have been in contacting the police? I find it sickening that the defense of the inaction is "well, something sexual between a man and a boy may have occurred, but let not worry about contacting police because the law doesn't require that from us." Fantastic... give those men medals.
GMJ: "I find it sickening that the defense of the inaction is "well, something sexual between a man and a boy may have occurred, but let not worry about contacting police because the law doesn't require that from us." Fantastic... give those men medals"
Interestingly enough that is EXACTLY what our BOT DID try to do for Bruce Heim.
Interestingly enough
that is EXACTLY what our BOT DID try to do for Bruce Heim.
What bothers me more is professional child psychologist and TSM Executive Director and President Jack Raykovitz deferring to Heim, a non-child pro. What did he do that for?GMJ: "I find it sickening that the defense of the inaction is "well, something sexual between a man and a boy may have occurred, but let not worry about contacting police because the law doesn't require that from us." Fantastic... give those men medals"
Interestingly enough
Only if you are talking about Raykovitz. Dranov, altho probably trained in mandatory reporting, is a kidney specialist, not a child specialist who had more than one report, and JR was directly responsible for the care of his charity's clients. His duties under the law are clear. Initiate safety plan upon each report. He STILL didn't do that when notified by OAG in 2008! That makes 3 known times: '98 (DPW was required to notify him) '01 PSU notified, '08 OAG notified.
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