Sexual in nature, but not something worth calling any legal authority about since no one was "Crying, screaming, [or] someone injured". Quite a contradiction there.
Sandusky Scandal Costs Approach 1/4 Billion.
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I notice none of the trolls has bothered to reply to my post about TSM
what does that tell you??
what does that tell you??
The closest I've see to anyone corroborating MM's version is this testimony by JM at the 12/16/11 prelim (note all the qualifying language JM uses such as "I'm sure" or "I think" or "led me to believe"):
Pg. 145 (Roberto cross examination of JM): Ms. Roberto asks JM:
“Isn’t it your recollection that your son described to Dr. Dranov what happened that evening in the shower as only hearing something in the shower and drawing conclusions about what happened but not seeing anything in the shower?”
Beemer of course immediately objected. Roberto responds by saying that regarding Dr. Dranov section 4902-F requires the Commonwealth, the prosecution, to corroborate Mr. McQueary’s statements. And this witness is the best witness we can think of that would corroborate or not the statements of Mike McQueary.
Beemer responds by saying they are going down a road that’s not relevant (huhhh???). The court notes the objection by Roberto but still sustains the Commonwealth’s….what a freaking joke.
Pg. 151 (Farrell cross examination of JM):
Q: Do you recall Dr. Dranov disagreeing with your description of what Mike said when you said it to Mr. Schultz?
A: Not disagreeing, at least at that time, no I don’t – I don’t believe he did
Q: Did he add facts to it or correct facts?
A: We’ve had conversations so many times, it’s difficult to put into place what occurred week one, month one, year ten. And so I feel uncomfortable answer that because I don’t – I can’t say it with 100 percent certainty
Q: In this meeting with Mr. Schultz, did you tell Mr. Schultz that what Mike had seen was a crime?
A: I never used the word crime, I made it, Im sure, clear that it was at least a very inappropriate action and what Mike described to me led me to believe it was sexual in nature.
Q: Okay, so you think the way you described it to Mr. Schultz was at least inappropriate and from what Mike said perhaps sexual in nature?
A: I think Mr. Schultz went away from that meeting with that understanding, yes.
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So if MM unequivocally reported to everyone in 2001 that the shower was sexual and he was 99.9% sure JS sodomizing a kid, why would JM say it was "at least a very inappropriate action" instead of it being a criminal action? Also JM never said that Mm reported a sexual shower only that the way he described it led him to believe it was perhaps sexual. Note there is PLENTY of grey area in this testimony compared to MM's 2010 statement to OAG which stated he was CERTAIN.
that's nonsense, Ray.
Mike corroborated his own story at his civil trial and won $7 million.
Don't expect anything sensible or fact related from those assholes. TSM is the center of this whole pile of shit.
like I said, they know who signs their paychecks.
no one is this relentlessly stupid for free
I've already said that TSM officials should be raked over the coals. You must have ignored it like many other things in this case.
I'll ask the same question of you that I asked getmyjerk. If you believe this, then why aren't you demanding that the state press the same charges against John McQueary and Dr. Dranov as they have against CSS? Why don't you perform a citizen's arrest, Mr. Regal Beagle, I mean Legal Eagle?
You're saying they both heard first hand evidence of a boy being sodomized by Jerry Sandusky and didn't feel the need to do anything about it except notify a football coach the next day. Why doesn't that bother you?
MM shouldn't get charged (just like CSS should not have been charged) because he filled he legal duties at the time. Dr D should absolutely been charged.
I'll point out the obvious, but you have no idea what you are talking about.
Most have asked about TSM but Simon keeps his fingers in his ears because he's so afraid of a different opinion. TSM slid out the backdoor in the middle of the night. Very few if any are saying leave TSM alone. The cult is still trying to figure out how and where JZ lost his momentum. What idiots think everyone not crying for Jerry are in on some evil plot. Seriously fing stupid.
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Seriously, everyone I talk to knows that the lack of inquiry into TSM is a travesty. The only person who thinks it isn't is Jack R.
Kane? For criminy sakes, at least PRETEND to try and construct an accurate timeline of just how many before and after likely "dropped an investigation of TSM", including those who never even started one. Starred names are ones I'm aware of who publicly promised one:
1. Possibly Gricar-we will never know
2. Tom Corbett*
3. William Ryan
4. Frank Fina
5. Linda Kelly
6. Lynne Abraham*
7. Kathleen Kane who said she did not inherit one from Corbett
8. Bruce Castor*
9. Bruce Beemer who was quickly ushered in by Scarnati and Corman once Castor declared he would and who reportedly destroyed Castor's files on it to date
and now, likely
10. Josh Shapiro
If you don't have an idea why yet, you are demonstrating you really don't know much about this at all and are just another one playing partisan politics over a CHILDREN's issue. It may even go all the way back to:
LeRoy Zimmerman
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Gricar never "promised" any instigation, and we might know why one day.
Corbett was out of office during most of the investigation, especially when it involved TSM (or PSU). Fina left the office (and one of the first things Kane did was to remove the harddrive from his computer, while he was still there.)
Kelly was doing it, but Kane was elected.
Abraham never had jurisdiction to investigate TSM.
Castor held the position for less than two weeks.
Beemer held the position for a few months, and had a number of things to just to repair Kane's damage.
Shapiro has been in office for less than four days.
Zimmerman left office in 1989.
Who had 3 1/2 years to investigate? Kathleen Kane.
Read asterisks much?
Corbett was the first AG on the Sandusky case. Fina was the head prosecutor who (mis) directed the investigation.
Abraham was hired by TSM to "look into it". 11/2011
Gee I wonder why Castor was ushered out after two weeks and promising he'd look into it.
Beemer was the "cleaner".
Shapiro-Do you not understand tenses? If he tries it, he'll be shut down as well.
Zimmerman: What happened in the year 1998?
It seems you do not understand that audit of charities falls smack under the OAG's office. Show us those audits of TSM. By the time Kane got there, almost everything TSM was already erased.
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And do realize that the OAG under Corbett only found out about McQueary about 8 weeks before Corbett left office and that the OAG under Kelly was still investigating when her term expired? Do you understand that Fina left only a few weeks after Kelly left?
You are aware that Abraham was not hired to prosecute but to figure out where TSM would go forward.
You are aware that Zimmerman was not hold any office in 1998 and had not held it since January 1989.
Castor was brought in because of Kane's numerous problems, and that he was then replaced by Wolf appointing Beemer. You remember, don't you? She was the person headed the OAG for a bit over 3 1/2 years and stopped the investigation of TSM.
Now, since Wolf is the person who appointed Beemer, and displaced Castor, are you now claiming that Wolf is part of some conspiracy?
I'll play. Because I've personally sat down with Kathleen Kane, Bruce Castor and Josh Shapiro. And I've personally asked Louis Freeh about Lynne Abraham, and I've spoken to plenty at our OAG & with a few Federal prosecutors & persons tangential to this entire mess over the years.
Fact: Tom Corbett's OAG failed to have the entire leadership of Second Mile testify before the grand jury.
Fact: In rereading the Moulton report - it is painfully clear there was never intent by our OAG to indict or even investigate the Second Mile.
Fact: Lynne Abraham grandstanded in November 2011 about investigating Second Mile and turning over her findings to the OAG.
Fact: Lynne Abraham gift wraps Second Mile to Arrow Ministries 6 short weeks later and drops from the radar in January 2012.
Fact: Kathleen Kane never inherited an investigation into Second Mile from Linda Kelly's office.
Fact: Kane told me in February 2016, that when she took office the Feds came to her and said Geoff Moulton is to stick to how the Sandusky investigation was done, they would handle anything dealing with Second Mile.
Fact: Bruce Castor put into motion an investigation into Second Mile at my urging, when I met him April 2016 in the Trooper office.
Fact: The day Castor left office Beemer shut down the team and destroyed files.
Fact: Josh Shapiro knows damned well Second Mile is a flaming bag of dog shit on his doorstep - I've met with him 3 times on this and various issues.
Fact: not a single media outlet here in Pennsylvania has finished the story on the Second Mile, the undisputed gateway for ALL THE VICTIMS.
Fact: Frank Fina could have just as easily skipped down the reporting chain of the "McQueary incident" and charged Second Mile CEO Dr. Jack Raykovitz and his equally mandated to report wife Katherine Genovese with EWOC / FTR / Conspiracy - this entire shitstorm could have been avoided and our commonwealth would have gotten relevant answers on how an adult, who the state convicted of crimes against youth, was able to found, fund and be the face of a wildly successful children's charity in that same state.
Fact: Everyone in public office would have WON.
Unless, of course, those folks in public office didn't want anyone busted at Second Mile, any questions asked and filing cabinets kicked over.
Fact: Tom Corbett's OAG failed to have the entire leadership of Second Mile testify before the grand jury.
Fact: In rereading the Moulton report - it is painfully clear there was never intent by our OAG to indict or even investigate the Second Mile.
Fact: Lynne Abraham grandstanded in November 2011 about investigating Second Mile and turning over her findings to the OAG.
Fact: Lynne Abraham gift wraps Second Mile to Arrow Ministries 6 short weeks later and drops from the radar in January 2012.
Fact: Kathleen Kane never inherited an investigation into Second Mile from Linda Kelly's office.
Fact: Kane told me in February 2016, that when she took office the Feds came to her and said Geoff Moulton is to stick to how the Sandusky investigation was done, they would handle anything dealing with Second Mile.
Fact: Bruce Castor put into motion an investigation into Second Mile at my urging, when I met him April 2016 in the Trooper office.
Fact: The day Castor left office Beemer shut down the team and destroyed files.
Fact: Josh Shapiro knows damned well Second Mile is a flaming bag of dog shit on his doorstep - I've met with him 3 times on this and various issues.
Fact: not a single media outlet here in Pennsylvania has finished the story on the Second Mile, the undisputed gateway for ALL THE VICTIMS.
Fact: Frank Fina could have just as easily skipped down the reporting chain of the "McQueary incident" and charged Second Mile CEO Dr. Jack Raykovitz and his equally mandated to report wife Katherine Genovese with EWOC / FTR / Conspiracy - this entire shitstorm could have been avoided and our commonwealth would have gotten relevant answers on how an adult, who the state convicted of crimes against youth, was able to found, fund and be the face of a wildly successful children's charity in that same state.
Fact: Everyone in public office would have WON.
Unless, of course, those folks in public office didn't want anyone busted at Second Mile, any questions asked and filing cabinets kicked over.
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I think you are the one weaving conspiracy theories. The rest of are presenting in timeline format backed by factual information. You should try it sometime. We've all had 5 years now to do the work.
What do mean by the "entire leadership."
What is clear is that they approached this piecemeal, first getting Sandusky, Curley and Schultz, then Spanier, in late 2012. Then Kane took over.
We don't know what she turned over to the OAG, because Kane never investigated.
She most certainly did, everything discovered in the course of the grand jury investigation to date. Where was Kane?
Moulton was perform an investigation of the investigation, not to investigate TSM.
You will note that there were other cases Kane didn't, at least immediately follow up on, e.g. the Altoona-Johnstown Diocease investigation.
In April 2016, Kane was in charge, not Castor.
Please provide evidence of that.
I certainly think that there there should have been a follow through, but we went 3 1/2 years with Kane when there was none.
Not relevant to the legal case.
Fact: According to Tim Curley, he never told Raykovitz that there was even a suggestion of molestation. He did not indicate that Sandusky was even alone in a shower with a child.
Fact: The person who had the case for 3 1/2 years was Kathleen Kane. Did she ramp up the investigation in that time? Not that we know of.
Fact: During those 3 1/2 years, who was one of the biggest supporters of Kathleen Kane? Wendy Silverwood. Perhaps we should add that name to the list of people " didn't want anyone busted at Second Mile, any questions asked and filing cabinets kicked over."
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This was the dumbest thing about the whole dumb press conference. Freeh wasn't hired to look into TSM.
For 5 years now you've been beating this dead horse to justify your waste of what turned out to be our SOLE ONE chance to ask Freeh intelligent & important questions.
Then you supported Kane, the only PA AG who was convicted of a crime & forced to leave office. She had a chance too, to investigate TSM but didn't.
Theres a stench of either cluelessness or corruption coming from West Chester. Keep trying to blame the horses. Nobody buys it.
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This was the dumbest thing about the whole dumb press conference. Freeh wasn't hired to look into TSM.
For 5 years now you've been beating this dead horse to justify your waste of what turned out to be our SOLE ONE chance to ask Freeh intelligent & important questions.
Then you supported Kane, the only PA AG who was convicted of a crime & forced to leave office. She had a chance too, to investigate TSM but didn't.
Theres a stench of either cluelessness or corruption coming from West Chester. Keep trying to blame the horses. Nobody buys it.
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This was the dumbest thing about the whole dumb press conference. Freeh wasn't hired to look into TSM.
For 5 years now you've been beating this dead horse to justify your waste of what turned out to be our SOLE ONE chance to ask Freeh intelligent & important questions.
Then you supported Kane, the only PA AG who was convicted of a crime & forced to leave office. She had a chance too, to investigate TSM but didn't.
Theres a stench of either cluelessness or corruption coming from West Chester. Keep trying to blame the horses. Nobody buys it.[/QUOTE]
And you're a horse's a$$.
Why WASN'T Freeh hired by CORBETT and his cronies to look into TSM?
What "intelligent questions" did YOU ask at that PC?
LOLOL at "supported Kane". Forced to leave office is correct. "Convicted of" the same crime Barry Feudale (and dozens of others) should be in jail for. Why isn't he?
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This was the dumbest thing about the whole dumb press conference. Freeh wasn't hired to look into TSM.
For 5 years now you've been beating this dead horse to justify your waste of what turned out to be our SOLE ONE chance to ask Freeh intelligent & important questions.
Then you supported Kane, the only PA AG who was convicted of a crime & forced to leave office. She had a chance too, to investigate TSM but didn't.
Theres a stench of either cluelessness or corruption coming from West Chester. Keep trying to blame the horses. Nobody buys it.[/QUOTE]
And you're a horse's a$$.
Why WASN'T Freeh hired by CORBETT and his cronies to look into TSM?
What "intelligent questions" did YOU ask at that PC?
LOLOL at "supported Kane". Forced to leave office is correct. "Convicted of" the same crime Barry Feudale (and dozens of others) should be in jail for. Why isn't he?
Wouldn't it have been prudent for a "thorough investigator" to at least look in to how TSM was involved? In other words, would it be a "reasonable conclusion" to see how TSM played a role in this travesty given they knew about 1998? Or is it that the answers are obvious and they would have implicated the folks who were paying for the investigation?
Fact: Kane told me in February 2016, that when she took office the Feds came to her and said Geoff Moulton is to stick to how the Sandusky investigation was done, they would handle anything dealing with Second Mile.
The Obama Justice Department was involved in the conspiracy to absolve the Second Mile? Or is the investigation ongoing?
The what-a-what department? What conspiracy?
Why don't you give a little ring-a-ling to your local FBI office and ask? I'm sure they're going to tell you all about whether or not they are still doing an investigation
Because he was already hired by Penn State.
Because AG has their own investigation team.
You are dense.
Why in the world would TSM cooperate with Freeh in any way? Most of the principal parties at Penn State didn't even cooperate.
Silly question
Who SENT Freeh to target Penn State? Corbett. You completely missed the point, as per usual.
And they did such a bang-up job...NOT. Drawing circles to try and "find victims" and buying TV guides when they had been handed photos of multiple victims in 2008 at the beginning of the investigation.
Hardly.
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The question was "why didn't Freeh investigate TSM?"
1) If Freeh is such a poor/biased investigator, why would you have wanted him to look at TSM?
Why all the distraction & misdirection from you? What agenda has you now defending Freeh?
and the trolls wonder why we accuse them of bring on someone's payroll, when they relentlessly push patently FALSE information
the OAG didn't find more victims until they needed to . . . Ray has done a credible job of showing that . . .
You listen to JZ and think anyone not carrying on like you is in on this. Maybe you're a bit delusional. Let me guess they planted some of us back on Tom's board inthe late 90's just for this cover up. Sounds well thought out on your end. You got me.....Tom, he knows too much. Make the call!!!!
So some think Freeh shouldn't have investigated TSM? Maybe not the organization, but key players in that organization because of the tie-ins to the BOT.
Freeh didn't need to investigate TSM
but he could have very easily said in his findings that Paterno, Curley, Schultz, and Spanier followed the proper protocol and passed McQueary's account along to TSM
If he had found that they did that, I am certain he would have reported that.
The only thing you are certain of is trolling and making up bullshit, lionrevival. Back to the Lair.
Fact Freeh has been shown to be less than honest and not a model of integrity. He investigation was a sham. There is no certainty about what he would report if it wasn't in his script.
Why hasn't Fact Freeh ever upheld his promise to come back to PSU for a Q&A?
