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SBNation review of Pitt

They didn't really play us tough last year. PSU dominated that game.

At Heinz, PSU came out slowly and just ran out of time. They were a dropped ball away from winning the game. And that was a much, much better Pitt team and a possibly slightly worse PSU team.

I would say a much worse PSU team.
We got good at the end of the year but were still finding our way to start. We had a patchwork OLine and our lbrs were dinged up to start the game and I think we list one during the 3rd quarter.
 
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Pretty sure we have incoming freshman people believe will start here...why it is different?
Pretty sure we have incoming freshman people believe will start here...why it is different?
Since you didn't name anyone, I'll assume you mean Parsons. I don't know if he will actually "start." I would expect he will get extensive playing time. Of course we all have high hopes. He also was a top 5 rated in the country 5* recruit.
Ford was highly touted but a 4* and not in the top 50.
If we take the recruiting services as gospel, it is likely, both, if healthy, should have great careers.
The game is played on the field. Who could have predicted Hack's career?
I prefer to see a body of work, when it counts, before anointing anyone a leader.
 
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Since you didn't name anyone, I'll assume you mean Parsons. I don't know if he will actually "start." I would expect he will get extensive playing time. Of course we all have high hopes. He also was a top 5 rated in the country 5* recruit.
Ford was highly touted but a 4* and not in the top 50.
If we take the recruiting services as gospel, it is likely, both, if healthy, should have great careers.
The game is played on the field. Who could have predicted Hack's career?
I prefer to see a body of work, when it counts, before anointing anyone a leader.

And when Hack was an incoming freshman a lot of us would have said he would be starting at a lot of schools. Talent is talent. You don't have to agree anyone would start over anyone as it's opinion but if you think only Bookser would start here you're undoubtedly wrong. They have some talent--nowhere near as much as we do but talent nonetheless.
 
What does team success have to do with anything? Fitzgerald absolutely was successful...one player doesn't make a team.

What does individual success have to do with anything? Pitt takes chances on players that turn out to be successful in the NFL, football is a team game where success is not measured in individual honors... and Pitt accomplished nothing while they were there. Try to keep up.


I guess that's easier than replying with a substantive response, or simply admitting you are wrong.
 
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If we’re being honest, Bookser would likely start for us at RG, Ford would have a very good chance of starting at safety, and Wirginis would likely start at middle linebacker.

That’s about where the comparisons end, and there’s a distinct talent advantage on our end.

Bookser would NOT start for PSU...in fact he wouldn't even be on the team after the drunken rampage that he went on. In case it's not known, that little stunt was his second round of DUI and public intoxication. Do you really think that Coach Franklin would have him on the team, let alone starting?
 
No, they get credit for scheduling other legit opponents knowing they had that game added as a non-conference opponent. Trust me, if we had Notre Dame added to our schedule in that type of manner we wouldn't be playing anyone with a pulse in our other non-conf games
But Pitt still had no say in scheduling Notre Dame. Nothing you have posted changes that.
 
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Herein lies the problem with scheduling:

1) Pitt is credited for it's schedule being tough because we are a front runner in our conference, ND is ND (very hyped, but are they realistically going to win 10 games this year?), and UCF (very likely to drop off from last year's success without Frost).

2) we get zero credit for playing Pitt unless they end up with 7 wins. UCF doesn't gain us any credibility either (they were on the schedule previously, don't remember any kudos for scheduling them). And NDs ACC affiliation likely keeps them off our schedule for the foreseeable future.

When 5-7 is your median point, any team with a winning record makes for a good schedule. Natural sway of opinion. After our last two years, anything but a blue blood looks like we are scheduling weak teams.
 
I counted Wirginis primarily due to him being an upperclassman with starting experience at a position where we lack anyone proven. I don’t think Wirginis is a spectacular talent, but it’s more of a statement of a lack of depth and experience that we have at the position.

And I didn’t say Ford would “likely” start, I said he would have a very good chance of starting. I absolutely think he’s talented enough to be in the thick of the competition for the spot opposite Nick Scott.
Ford got moved to corner because he isn’t smart enough to learn the Pitt defense, and you think he can play safety here? Doubtful. You are saying he would beat out even Wade, who was more highly rated and recruited coming out of high school, and not even he is going to start? Doubtful.

If he could stay eligible he might play on special teams, but that is it.
 
Bookser would NOT start for PSU...in fact he wouldn't even be on the team after the drunken rampage that he went on. In case it's not known, that little stunt was his second round of DUI and public intoxication. Do you really think that Coach Franklin would have him on the team, let alone starting?

Right--everyone is on our team are saints that have done nothing wrong. Didn't Zordich have 2 DUIs and remained a leader? Yes, Bookser would be on the team and starting.
 
But Pitt still had no say in scheduling Notre Dame. Nothing you have posted changes that.


Yet they also schedule two other legit games. I don't care if you give them credit for that or not. They get credit for knowing that and putting together a real non-conference slate unlike us.
 
Yet they also schedule two other legit games. I don't care if you give them credit for that or not. They get credit for knowing that and putting together a real non-conference slate unlike us.
So you finally accept that Pitt had no say in scheduling Notre Dame.
 
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So you finally accept that Pitt had no say in scheduling Notre Dame.

When did I ever say otherwise...read what is written instead of trying to create an argument that never existed.

The fact is you refuse to give another program credit when they deserve it because of bias
 
When did I ever say otherwise...read what is written instead of trying to create an argument that never existed.

The fact is you refuse to give another program credit when they deserve it because of bias

Their conference schedule is awful. There schedule OOC will get easier after next year while PSU's will get more difficult simply because PSU vs Pitt is no more. They like to tout their upsets because that is all bad programs have is occasional upsets. They rely on good teams overlooking them to have any success. Pitt should be thankful PSU is gone with our recent recruiting compared to theirs.
 
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Their conference schedule is awful. There schedule OOC will get easier after next year while PSU's will get more difficult simply because PSU vs Pitt is no more. They like to tout their upsets because that is all bad programs have is occasional upsets. They rely on good teams overlooking them to have any success. Pitt should be thankful PSU is gone with our recent recruiting compared to theirs.

and it doesn't help that they just dismissed their best TE.
 
When did I ever say otherwise...read what is written instead of trying to create an argument that never existed.

The fact is you refuse to give another program credit when they deserve it because of bias
I did read your original post. You said give them credit for their OOC schedule and listed Notre dame as if they scheduled it themselves. I never criticized their OOC schedule. I simply stated that they have no say on when they play Notre Dame. Maybe you should work on reading comprehension.
 
Actually it might. I know nothing about this TE, but losing him may help increase their upset potential.

From what I read, when I was at home this past week, they were expecting some good things from him. They say he was a 4* (not sure about that) but he was a big kid. I don't think he played last year but they have even less now.
 
That App State game will be on the exact 11 year-anniversary too. Mmm.

Let's just hope the Mountaineers aren't like cicadas, on some sort of 11-year cycle.

App state has a Phil Steele 1st team AA corner who will provide us with great watching the one-on-one battles with JJ.
 
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Pitt/ND is a mandatory OOC game for ND. They have to play 5 games per year against ACC teams.
 
I did read your original post. You said give them credit for their OOC schedule and listed Notre dame as if they scheduled it themselves. I never criticized their OOC schedule. I simply stated that they have no say on when they play Notre Dame. Maybe you should work on reading comprehension.

Again, ND is a non-conference game and a part of their non-conference schedule. It's a very simple concept. When games against ND start counting for the ACC conference record you let me know.
 
Pitt/ND is a mandatory OOC game for ND. They have to play 5 games per year against ACC teams.

Everyone knows this...still a non-conference game, still an impressive non-conference schedule and they still get credit for not taking a weak ass approach like we do. Let's hope we schedule a real opponent in 2021 along with Auburn. 2019 & 2020 is more of the same. 2022 & 2024 are going to be filled with weak opponents to offset traveling to Auburn and West Virginia (sadly likely our good non-conf game that year)
 
This game is a horrible mismatch in Penn State's favor. Pitt's roster is MAC level at best. Who on Pitt's team would make Penn State's two deep? Take a look at their roster at this link.

Alex Bookser might get a small amount of PT on the second team OL. Maybe. Darrin Hall would get a sniff at PT as a backup back. Paris Ford might make our second team DB or even get some PT in the nickel. The heralded Kenny Picket would get no PT and would likely be redshirted. That is it. Nobody else on Pitt's roster would get a sniff at Penn State. They are an inferior team and will get quickly blown out on September 8. We will be playing backups early in the second quarter.
MAC level talented roster? That’s the most ridiculous comment in this thread. Pitt has a very solid , young D and a very promising QB. Stay objective dude...
 
A promising QB? Just because he threw a shovel pass TD and scrambled around a bit vs. an overrated Miami team doesn't make him the next coming of Steve Young

Their ACC schedule is so weak, he has a chance to be half decent.
 
He could be a combination of Bart Starr, Dan Marino, and Tom Brady, and without an offensive line, a tight end, and a wide receiver, he's still going to be swimming against the current, big-time.

The kid will be lucky if he can stay out of the hospital. He is going to be running for his life, not scrambling.
 
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Yet they also schedule two other legit games. I don't care if you give them credit for that or not. They get credit for knowing that and putting together a real non-conference slate unlike us.
What type of non-conference schedule would you like us to play keeping in mind that to have 7 home games every year (which we, like every other major program, have to have) and 9 conference games? Which means, whether you like it or not, we will schedule 1 away non conf game every two years. Who do you want us to schedule?
 
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At Heinz in 2017 Penn State played most of the game without linebackers. They all got hurt. We win easily if we have our linebackers. And that was a PSU team with much less talent and depth than we have this year. Pitt has much less talent than they had in 2017. We will beat them easily. The game will be a joke.

Hold on a second, yes we had some injury issues the last time we played at Heinz Field but that team went on to win the Big Ten Championship! Our team in 2018 may have more depth but they still have much to prove. I see us winning but Pitt might very well dominate early until we make a few plays and get settled in.
 
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What type of non-conference schedule would you like us to play keeping in mind that to have 7 home games every year (which we, like every other major program, have to have) and 9 conference games? Which means, whether you like it or not, we will schedule 1 away non conf game every two years. Who do you want us to schedule?

I want a legit non-conference opponent...not Pitt or WVU...Virginia Tech and Auburn moving forward are fine. The second opponent needs to be a top-tier CUSA, MWC, AAC team or an academy. The final game can be anyone.

I'm not okay with Pitt, App State and Kent State or Pitt, Idaho & Buffalo. Why is anyone?
 
I want a legit non-conference opponent...not Pitt or WVU...Virginia Tech and Auburn moving forward are fine. The second opponent needs to be a top-tier CUSA, MWC, AAC team or an academy. The final game can be anyone.

I'm not okay with Pitt, App State and Kent State or Pitt, Idaho & Buffalo. Why is anyone?
Why is anyone? Because a ton of people thought we should play Pitt, and Pitt is going to insist on a home and home. Which is why we didn't renew. You are giving credit for "Pitt putting together a real non-conference schedule unlike us" is only because we play them... and they play us! The reason we don't have a real non-conference schedule is because Pitt isn't considered as worthy as Auburn or VT. Btw, WVU and VT were comparable last year and WVU would probably beat VT this year... And you really think you (or anyone else) would be impressed w Toledo vs Kent State?
 
He could be a combination of Bart Starr, Dan Marino, and Tom Brady, and without an offensive line, a tight end, and a wide receiver, he's still going to be swimming against the current, big-time.

The kid will be lucky if he can stay out of the hospital. He is going to be running for his life, not scrambling.

Remember what our OL looked like in 2015? Theirs might not be that good.
 
Why is anyone? Because a ton of people thought we should play Pitt, and Pitt is going to insist on a home and home. Which is why we didn't renew. You are giving credit for "Pitt putting together a real non-conference schedule unlike us" is only because we play them... and they play us! The reason we don't have a real non-conference schedule is because Pitt isn't considered as worthy as Auburn or VT. Btw, WVU and VT were comparable last year and WVU would probably beat VT this year... And you really think you (or anyone else) would be impressed w Toledo vs Kent State?

Anyone that wanted to play Pitt is an idiot. They need to stop living in the past...the very distant past.

And yes Pitt gets credit for us but we don't get credit for playing them. Same goes for a lot of matchups that aren't balanced. Not everything is TCU/Ohio State, Michigan/NW, Washington/Auburn, etc where each team gains a strong opponent--at last on paper

If you think West Virginia and Virginia Tech carry the same weight you aren't paying attention
 
Anyone that wanted to play Pitt is an idiot. They need to stop living in the past...the very distant past.

And yes Pitt gets credit for us but we don't get credit for playing them. Same goes for a lot of matchups that aren't balanced. Not everything is TCU/Ohio State, Michigan/NW, Washington/Auburn, etc where each team gains a strong opponent--at last on paper

If you think West Virginia and Virginia Tech carry the same weight you aren't paying attention
I agree w the Pitt point. Not sure who isn’t paying attention on WVU - VT. I guess we can agree to disagree. I’d bet WVU is way better than VT this year. I have seen both teams ranked Top 20 and have seen WVU in an eSPN Top 10. Doesn’t mean squat but maybe I am not the only one not paying attention
 
Remember what our OL looked like in 2015? Theirs might not be that good.

And our MAJOR strength is going to be the pass rush. If they run their whole offense and allow Picket to RPO he won’t make it through the game.
 
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I agree w the Pitt point. Not sure who isn’t paying attention on WVU - VT. I guess we can agree to disagree. I’d bet WVU is way better than VT this year. I have seen both teams ranked Top 20 and have seen WVU in an eSPN Top 10. Doesn’t mean squat but maybe I am not the only one not paying attention

We're talking about the ability to sustain success as these are future schedules. Va Tech not WVU is the way to go with that. Will Grier won't be at WVU when we play them and there's nothing to indicate that they will sustain success after him. Va Tech under Fuente. I guess time will prove if playing WVU was a good decision...thinking it will look comparable to playing Pitt. Hopefully Va Tech isn't on that level
 
I want a legit non-conference opponent...not Pitt or WVU...Virginia Tech and Auburn moving forward are fine. The second opponent needs to be a top-tier CUSA, MWC, AAC team or an academy. The final game can be anyone.

I'm not okay with Pitt, App State and Kent State or Pitt, Idaho & Buffalo. Why is anyone?
Check out 'Bama and get back to me, ok?
 
I want a legit non-conference opponent...not Pitt or WVU...Virginia Tech and Auburn moving forward are fine. The second opponent needs to be a top-tier CUSA, MWC, AAC team or an academy. The final game can be anyone.

I'm not okay with Pitt, App State and Kent State or Pitt, Idaho & Buffalo. Why is anyone?

We play 4 teams that are ranked preseason Top 12. Our schedule is fine.
 
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