Starocci is pre-seeded 6th at 174. Neither Beard or Nevills are pre-seeded. Will they be wrestling?
Scuffle pre-seeds
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Beard is there, as is Joe Lee. All three guys are unattached.
Because of the wilkes open. or so I read. somewhere. By someone informed.
Let's leave the Cael + juice accusations to Hawkeye Resistance.
Link to pre-seeds: https://gomocs.com/news/2019/12/30/2020-southern-scuffle-pre-seeds.aspx
Grello got the 2 seed. Calling it now -- Starocci vs. Smith in the finals.
174
1. Joe Smith - Oklahoma State
2. Joe Grello - Rutgers
3. Spencer Carey - Navy
4. Dean Sherry - Rider
5. Daniel Bullard - North Carolina State
6. Carter Starocci - Penn State Unattached
7. Neal Richards - VMI
8. Gregg Harvey - Pittsburgh
Grello got the 2 seed. Calling it now -- Starocci vs. Smith in the finals.
174
1. Joe Smith - Oklahoma State
2. Joe Grello - Rutgers
3. Spencer Carey - Navy
4. Dean Sherry - Rider
5. Daniel Bullard - North Carolina State
6. Carter Starocci - Penn State Unattached
7. Neal Richards - VMI
8. Gregg Harvey - Pittsburgh
Thank goodness that match will happen in the finals. Rumor west of the Mississippi is wrestling Smith early in a tournament wears a guy out to the point of several days of exhaustion.
A couple more interesting weights:
141
1. Kaden Gfeller- Oklahoma State
2. Tariq Wilson- North Carolina State
3. Real Woods- Stanford
4. Kyle Shoop- Lock Haven
5. Cole Matthews- Pittsburgh
149 - Andrew Alirez is the 5 seed -- that bracket might get busted.
184
1. Trent Hidlay - North Carolina State
2. Lou Deprez - Binghamton
3. Nino Bonaccorsi - Pittsburgh
Beard will have some good tests:
197
1. Dakota Geer - Oklahoma State
2. Nathan Traxler - Stanford
3. Nick Reenan - North Carolina State
4. Noah Adams - West Virginia
5. Jacob Seely - Northern Colorado
6. Jordan Pagano - Rutgers
7. Jacob Cardenas - Finger Lakes
8. Ethan Laird - Rider
141
1. Kaden Gfeller- Oklahoma State
2. Tariq Wilson- North Carolina State
3. Real Woods- Stanford
4. Kyle Shoop- Lock Haven
5. Cole Matthews- Pittsburgh
149 - Andrew Alirez is the 5 seed -- that bracket might get busted.
184
1. Trent Hidlay - North Carolina State
2. Lou Deprez - Binghamton
3. Nino Bonaccorsi - Pittsburgh
Beard will have some good tests:
197
1. Dakota Geer - Oklahoma State
2. Nathan Traxler - Stanford
3. Nick Reenan - North Carolina State
4. Noah Adams - West Virginia
5. Jacob Seely - Northern Colorado
6. Jordan Pagano - Rutgers
7. Jacob Cardenas - Finger Lakes
8. Ethan Laird - Rider
I'm picking real woods to win 41 that kid is fun to watch
Based on what I've seen (not that much, but that's me) I'm guessing Starocci exceeds his pre-seed. Thoughts?
He is a stud I really think he's going to be like a cenzo. Overlooked because of the other bigger name guys on the team. He has a ton of room to improve very high ceiling
Here's to Joe, Carter and Beard all winning the Scuffle! Last time we had a bunch of redshirts at the Scuffle, Cael asked Pyles if he had a plan.
True, with the caveats that it was 4 years ago, with freestyle exposures that would not have scored in folk.
If he gets 3 takedowns again, he could win. And that would be a very good win, because Griffith looked good last year while shirting and looks like a very likely All-American this year.
I think Starocci makes the finals. He looks like he is going to be an absolute stud. The same with Joe Lee. His ceiling is as high or higher than his brother’s. We have a lot of crazy talent waiting to get on the mat.
Just excited for all three. They get to experience an NCAA-like tournament (bracketed, double-elimination), and win or lose, will learn a lot about themselves. It's one of those situations they should embrace, wrestle relaxed, but with high energy and effort … and let the chips (winning or losing) fall where they may.
FIFY
The new murders row circa 2021; N. Lee (149?), Berge, J. Lee/Manville, Starocci , Brooks , Beard and either snacks or Kerkvliet
Don't count Mason out just yet
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Most likely 77 kg / 169.4 lb.
Surrounding Olympic Greco weights are 67 kg / 147.4 lb and 87 kg 191.4 lb. Neither of those seem likely for him.
I'm super curious to see how Michael does against some ranked kids. He absolutely obliterates lesser competition with his top game.
Based off of the entrants in track wrestling (don't know how accurate they are, especially since Air Force and Stanford have pre-seeded kids but none listed as registered). Here are the top 50ish in wrestlestat that are in the tournament. The first 8 listed are the preseeds and the wrestlestat rank is too the right.
125
1. Nicholas Piccininni Oklahoma State 3
2. Nic Aguilar Rutgers 25
3. Sidney Flores Air Force 36
4. Gabe Townsell Stanford 62
5. Jakob Camacho NC State 19
6. Luke Werner Lock Haven 16
7. Michael McGee Old Dominion 9
8. Zurich Storm Campbell 34
Sam Latona Virginia Tech 17
Logan Heil Cleveland State 21
Jayden Carson Arkansas-Little Rock 48
Brandon Kaylor Oregon State 53
133
1. Mickey Phillipi Pittsburgh 7
2. Cameron Sykora North Dakota State 20
3. Mosha Schwartz Northern Colorado 15
4. Chance Rich CSU Bakersfield 47
5. Sammy Alvarez Rutgers 29
6. DJ Fehlman Lock Haven 30
7. Devan Turner Oregon State 21
8. Chandler Olsen Drexel 87
Reece Witcraft Oklahoma State 33
Codi Russell Appalachian State 46
Casey Cobb Navy 50
Anthony Cefelo Rider 51
141
1. Kaden Gfeller Oklahoma State 14
2. Tariq Wilson NC State 8
3. Real Woods Stanford 15
4. Kyle Shoop Lock Haven 16
5. Cole Matthews Pittsburgh 20
6. Evan Cheek Cleveland State 18
7. Cody Trybus Navy 33
8. Lenny Petersen Air Force 40
Alex Madrigal George Mason 28
Christopher Sandoval Northern Colorado 34
Dusty Hone Oklahoma State 42
Peter Lipari Rider 49
Grant Willits Oregon State 53
149
1. Boo Lewallen Oklahoma State 8
2. Requir Van der Merwe Stanford 19
3. Gerard Angelo Rutgers 32
4. Russell Rohlfing CSU Bakersfield 57
5. Andrew Alirez Northern Colorado 24
6. Tanner Smith Chattanooga 42
7. Colston DiBlasi George Mason 38
8. Josh Finesilver Duke 47
Tyler Brennan Arkansas-Little Rock 13
Daxton Gordon Oregon State 30
Jonathan Millner Appalachian State 46
Matt Grippi NC State 50
157
1. Hayden Hidlay NC State 1
2. Jesse Dellavecchia Rider 5
3. Matt Zovistoski Appalachian State 24
4. Taleb Rahmani Pittsburgh 18
5. Alex Klucker Lock Haven 36
6. Kolby Ho George Mason 69
7. Hunter Willits Oregon State 47
8. Mike Vanschenkbrill Rutgers 57
Robert Kannaird Rutgers 9
Jared Franek North Dakota State 35
Wyatt Sheets Oklahoma State 37
165
1. Shane Griffith Stanford 8
2. Tanner Skidgel Navy 21
3. Thomas Bullard NC State 12
4. Jake Wentzel Pittsburgh 20
5. Andrew Fogarty North Dakota State 11
6. Travis Wittlake Oklahoma State 30
7. Connor Flynn Missouri 24
8. Ebed Jarrell Drexel 26
Joe Lee Penn State 28
Chase Straw Iowa State 32
Nick Kiussis West Virginia 36
Jackson Turley Rutgers 40
Dazjon Casto The Citadel 42
Austin Matthews Northern Colorado 53
174
1. Joseph Smith Oklahoma State 7
2. Joe Grello Rutgers 19
3. Spencer Carey Navy 21
4. Dean Sherry Rider 26
5. Daniel Bullard NC State 30
6. Carter Starocci Penn State 14
7. Neal Richards Vmi 23
8. Gregg Harvey Pittsburgh 40
Dean Caravela Navy 34
Michael O`Malley Drexel 36
Jared Siegrist Lock Haven 38
Lorenzo De La Riva North Dakota State 42
Andrew Shomers Oklahoma State 46
Thomas Flitz Appalachian State 48
Edmund Ruth Lehigh 51
184
1. Trent Hidlay NC State 6
2. Lou Deprez Binghamton 8
3. Nino Bonaccorsi Pittsburgh 9
4. Matthew Waddell Chattanooga 36
5. George Walton Rider 22
6. Corey Hazel Lock Haven 28
7. Alan Clothier Northern Colorado 33
8. Anthony Montalvo Oklahoma State 31
Julien Broderson Iowa State 32
Colt Doyle Oregon State 34
Dylan Ammerman Lehigh 37
Billy Janzer Rutgers 38
Chris Kober Campbell 48
197
1. Dakota Geer Oklahoma State 3
2. Nathan Traxler Stanford 9
3. Nick Reenan NC State 6
4. Noah Adams West Virginia 12
5. Jacob Seely Northern Colorado 38
6. Jordan Pagano Rutgers 36
7. Jacob Cardenas FLWC - Cornell
8. Ethan Laird Rider 19
Michael Beard Penn State 26
Jacob Koser Navy 29
Joel Shapiro Iowa State 42
Cordell Eaton North Dakota State 43
Benjamin Smith Cleveland State 46
285
1. Demetrius Thomas Pittsburgh 8
2. Gannon Gremmel Iowa State 24
3. Cary Miller Appalachian State 17
4. Brandon Metz North Dakota State 30
5. Dalton Robertson Northern Colorado 32
6. Sean O'Malley Drexel 80
7. Chris Beck VMI 66
8. Kayne Hutchinson Air Force 43
Alex Esposito Rutgers 42
Brandon Ngati West Virginia 47
125
1. Nicholas Piccininni Oklahoma State 3
2. Nic Aguilar Rutgers 25
3. Sidney Flores Air Force 36
4. Gabe Townsell Stanford 62
5. Jakob Camacho NC State 19
6. Luke Werner Lock Haven 16
7. Michael McGee Old Dominion 9
8. Zurich Storm Campbell 34
Sam Latona Virginia Tech 17
Logan Heil Cleveland State 21
Jayden Carson Arkansas-Little Rock 48
Brandon Kaylor Oregon State 53
133
1. Mickey Phillipi Pittsburgh 7
2. Cameron Sykora North Dakota State 20
3. Mosha Schwartz Northern Colorado 15
4. Chance Rich CSU Bakersfield 47
5. Sammy Alvarez Rutgers 29
6. DJ Fehlman Lock Haven 30
7. Devan Turner Oregon State 21
8. Chandler Olsen Drexel 87
Reece Witcraft Oklahoma State 33
Codi Russell Appalachian State 46
Casey Cobb Navy 50
Anthony Cefelo Rider 51
141
1. Kaden Gfeller Oklahoma State 14
2. Tariq Wilson NC State 8
3. Real Woods Stanford 15
4. Kyle Shoop Lock Haven 16
5. Cole Matthews Pittsburgh 20
6. Evan Cheek Cleveland State 18
7. Cody Trybus Navy 33
8. Lenny Petersen Air Force 40
Alex Madrigal George Mason 28
Christopher Sandoval Northern Colorado 34
Dusty Hone Oklahoma State 42
Peter Lipari Rider 49
Grant Willits Oregon State 53
149
1. Boo Lewallen Oklahoma State 8
2. Requir Van der Merwe Stanford 19
3. Gerard Angelo Rutgers 32
4. Russell Rohlfing CSU Bakersfield 57
5. Andrew Alirez Northern Colorado 24
6. Tanner Smith Chattanooga 42
7. Colston DiBlasi George Mason 38
8. Josh Finesilver Duke 47
Tyler Brennan Arkansas-Little Rock 13
Daxton Gordon Oregon State 30
Jonathan Millner Appalachian State 46
Matt Grippi NC State 50
157
1. Hayden Hidlay NC State 1
2. Jesse Dellavecchia Rider 5
3. Matt Zovistoski Appalachian State 24
4. Taleb Rahmani Pittsburgh 18
5. Alex Klucker Lock Haven 36
6. Kolby Ho George Mason 69
7. Hunter Willits Oregon State 47
8. Mike Vanschenkbrill Rutgers 57
Robert Kannaird Rutgers 9
Jared Franek North Dakota State 35
Wyatt Sheets Oklahoma State 37
165
1. Shane Griffith Stanford 8
2. Tanner Skidgel Navy 21
3. Thomas Bullard NC State 12
4. Jake Wentzel Pittsburgh 20
5. Andrew Fogarty North Dakota State 11
6. Travis Wittlake Oklahoma State 30
7. Connor Flynn Missouri 24
8. Ebed Jarrell Drexel 26
Joe Lee Penn State 28
Chase Straw Iowa State 32
Nick Kiussis West Virginia 36
Jackson Turley Rutgers 40
Dazjon Casto The Citadel 42
Austin Matthews Northern Colorado 53
174
1. Joseph Smith Oklahoma State 7
2. Joe Grello Rutgers 19
3. Spencer Carey Navy 21
4. Dean Sherry Rider 26
5. Daniel Bullard NC State 30
6. Carter Starocci Penn State 14
7. Neal Richards Vmi 23
8. Gregg Harvey Pittsburgh 40
Dean Caravela Navy 34
Michael O`Malley Drexel 36
Jared Siegrist Lock Haven 38
Lorenzo De La Riva North Dakota State 42
Andrew Shomers Oklahoma State 46
Thomas Flitz Appalachian State 48
Edmund Ruth Lehigh 51
184
1. Trent Hidlay NC State 6
2. Lou Deprez Binghamton 8
3. Nino Bonaccorsi Pittsburgh 9
4. Matthew Waddell Chattanooga 36
5. George Walton Rider 22
6. Corey Hazel Lock Haven 28
7. Alan Clothier Northern Colorado 33
8. Anthony Montalvo Oklahoma State 31
Julien Broderson Iowa State 32
Colt Doyle Oregon State 34
Dylan Ammerman Lehigh 37
Billy Janzer Rutgers 38
Chris Kober Campbell 48
197
1. Dakota Geer Oklahoma State 3
2. Nathan Traxler Stanford 9
3. Nick Reenan NC State 6
4. Noah Adams West Virginia 12
5. Jacob Seely Northern Colorado 38
6. Jordan Pagano Rutgers 36
7. Jacob Cardenas FLWC - Cornell
8. Ethan Laird Rider 19
Michael Beard Penn State 26
Jacob Koser Navy 29
Joel Shapiro Iowa State 42
Cordell Eaton North Dakota State 43
Benjamin Smith Cleveland State 46
285
1. Demetrius Thomas Pittsburgh 8
2. Gannon Gremmel Iowa State 24
3. Cary Miller Appalachian State 17
4. Brandon Metz North Dakota State 30
5. Dalton Robertson Northern Colorado 32
6. Sean O'Malley Drexel 80
7. Chris Beck VMI 66
8. Kayne Hutchinson Air Force 43
Alex Esposito Rutgers 42
Brandon Ngati West Virginia 47
Hey...had Cael listened to Pyles' advice, you guys might be looking at your tenth straight national title this year!
There was advice hiding behind that stutter?Hey...had Cael listened to Pyles' advice, you guys might be looking at your tenth straight national title this year!
Pretty good draws. Looks like a possible R16 match against Reenan for Beard? Trying to figure it out on my phone, pain in the neck.
Interesting probable R32 match between Joe Lee (who has a R64 match) and Finger Lakes/Cornell greyshirt Julian Ramirez (who has a R64 bye).
Edit: 165 redrawn, so this match won't happen (Lee no longer has a R64 match).
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Paths (assuming seeds hold for everyone else):
165 - Joe Lee (unseeded):
R1 = Jacob Thalin (CSUB starter, SR, 6-6)
R2 = Julian Ramirez (Cornell grayshirt, 9-3)
R3 = Andrew Fogarty (ND State starter, SR, 3x NQ, 12-2)
Quarters = Jake Wentzel (Pitt starter, JR, 9-0)
Semis = Shane Griffith (Stanford starter, RSFR, 12-0; 24-2 last year while shirting)
Finals = Tanner Skidgel (Navy starter, JR, NQ, 8-3)
174 - Carter Starocci (6 seed):
R1 = Kyle Kretzer (Citadel starter, SO, 5-8)
R2 = Albert Urias (CSUB starter, RSFR, 11-7)
R3 = Charlie Andrews (Campbell, JR, 4-7)
Quarters = Spencer Carey (Navy starter, JR, NQ, 7-2)
Semis = Joe Grello (Rutgers starter, JR, NQ, 3-0)
Finals = Joe Smith (OKST starter, SR, 3x NQ, 2x AA, 0-0)
197 - Michael Beard (unseeded):
R1 = bye (2 pigtail matches, everyone else bye to R2)
R2 = Martin Duane (Citadel starter, SR, 2-9)
R3 = Jordan Pagano (Rutgers starter, SR, NQ, 9-2)
Quarters = Nick Reenan (NC State starter, JR, 2x NQ, 1-0)
Semis = Nathan Traxler (Stanford starter, JR, 2x NQ, R12 last year, 11-1)
Finals = Dakota Geer (OKST starter, JR, 2x NQ, AA, 7-1)
165 - Joe Lee (unseeded):
R1 = Jacob Thalin (CSUB starter, SR, 6-6)
R2 = Julian Ramirez (Cornell grayshirt, 9-3)
R3 = Andrew Fogarty (ND State starter, SR, 3x NQ, 12-2)
Quarters = Jake Wentzel (Pitt starter, JR, 9-0)
Semis = Shane Griffith (Stanford starter, RSFR, 12-0; 24-2 last year while shirting)
Finals = Tanner Skidgel (Navy starter, JR, NQ, 8-3)
174 - Carter Starocci (6 seed):
R1 = Kyle Kretzer (Citadel starter, SO, 5-8)
R2 = Albert Urias (CSUB starter, RSFR, 11-7)
R3 = Charlie Andrews (Campbell, JR, 4-7)
Quarters = Spencer Carey (Navy starter, JR, NQ, 7-2)
Semis = Joe Grello (Rutgers starter, JR, NQ, 3-0)
Finals = Joe Smith (OKST starter, SR, 3x NQ, 2x AA, 0-0)
197 - Michael Beard (unseeded):
R1 = bye (2 pigtail matches, everyone else bye to R2)
R2 = Martin Duane (Citadel starter, SR, 2-9)
R3 = Jordan Pagano (Rutgers starter, SR, NQ, 9-2)
Quarters = Nick Reenan (NC State starter, JR, 2x NQ, 1-0)
Semis = Nathan Traxler (Stanford starter, JR, 2x NQ, R12 last year, 11-1)
Finals = Dakota Geer (OKST starter, JR, 2x NQ, AA, 7-1)
Nice work jefe
Seems we learn a few things that help the ranking folks next year.
Seems we learn a few things that help the ranking folks next year.
Should we read too much into Seth not going? Might he get the start Jan 10th?
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