Shakur vs. Moore

[chrisrn1965]

I really hope that Shakur gets the start on Saturday. Cassar has done well but I think Shakur has a better chance here. With Nolf out we may need an upset to win this dual. Am I crazy thinking that Shakur could make things very interesting against Moore?

 

[BFosr1]

If Moore doesn’t respect Shakur the way he should I could see Moore easily getting put on his back or even stuck. This will be the first 197 Moore has faced who is as active as he is, maybe even more so.

Moore needs to game plan Rasheed and counter his attacks, horse him using his size. He can’t afford to take mile away shots like he often does on this guy (Shakur), or he’s in danger of his cradle getting locked up.

If Moore gameplans Shakur and wrestles him to beat him.... I’d take Moore 8-9 out of ten times. If he wrestles wreckless trying to bonus Rasheed...I’m not so confident in the outcome. And I say all this as an tOSU fan.

I think the key to wrestling Shakur too is to get the kid to the 3rd period after taking heavy hands from a bigger opponent for 2 periods... Shakur hasn’t had too many matches that have lasted this long which could play into Moore’s hands as an advantage.

 

[KSLion]

I really hope that Shakur gets the start on Saturday. Cassar has done well but I think Shakur has a better chance here. With Nolf out we may need an upset to win this dual. Am I crazy thinking that Shakur could make things very interesting against Moore?

I don't think you are.

Personally, I suspect Nolf's injury may be the difference between winning and losing the team score versus tOSU and possibly Iowa so, from now until the B1G's and Nationals, am planning to focus more on individual results. Rasheed vs Moore looks like it could be a real barnburner, possibly an upset a la Retherford over Stieber four years ago. At the very least, it should provide a meaningful test of Rasheed's tank at 197.

 

[Cowbell Man]

If it is Shak v Moore and it goes the distance, do not be surprised if Shak looks or gets winded. Don’t get sucked into the “He gasses” argument.

Prolific pinners often do this in the first match that goes a distance in a long time. He hasn’t tasted 7 minutes since Jan 1st. We even seen this in Zain....when Sorenson got close...once. We’ve seen it in Bo... we just don’t talk about it or say “he looked a little off”. Happens. And it’s gone in one match.

I think this is the match the coaches need to see. They know Shak lost 8-4 to Darmstadt. I would want to see him against a more pragmatic wrestler like Moore. See what we get.

 

[Dar.of.Emur]

Am I crazy thinking that Shakur could make things very interesting against Moore?

Not at all.
Rasheed scares the hell out of me. I could see him beating Kollin, especially at his home mat. Rasheed is wrestling with a high intensity and is a home run hitter like Nickel.
I really have no idea why there is even a doubt on who should compete for you guys at 197. Rasheed has so much more point potential than Cassar - especially with bonus in early rounds.

 

[Lyco1990]

Nah, I’m with lemon pie. Noneed to wrestle we lose 60-0. Rasheed gets pinned along with Zain and the rest. Oh sorry Earth 1, best match in decades. Release the Sharaken. Make LP eat$#!?pie!

 

[dmm53]

I want to see Moore count the lights in the gym just after Martin counts the stars. Cradle them up and put them to sleep early. The look on Tan Tom's face would be worth a million bucks.

 

[nitlion6]

Seeing Shak wrestle Moore is the statement match.
I believe Shak (or for that matter Cassar) beats Moore.

 

[BFosr1]

For those who watched the Darmstadt match, what did you see Darmstadt do to be able to negate what Shak has been able to do relatively easy with many others, relative to getting in on legs early? Was Darmstadt too big for him, a match where Shak being undersized became apparent? I watched him against Beazley/Michigan and Beazley is a big 197. Shak didn’t pin him but he definitely didn’t get outmuscled by the bigger opponent.

 

[jack66]

I know Shak has a lot to prove before it's fair to compare him to Q, but he does have similar qualities. The year he moved up to 197 Q used quickness and leverage to beat several kids who were bigger ... Kilgore being one. Shak is also quick on his feet for a 197 pounder.

Another similarity is the 'big move' potential. A lot of kids didn't want to mix it up with Q out of fear they might get stuck.

I'm not going to call this a toss-up, but I don't see Moore being the prohibitive favorite either.

 

[Grass]

Maybe they send out Cassar for the OSU dual and use Shak for the post season. Doesn't Cassar have a win over Moore in freestyle?

 

[LorenzoFan]

If it is Shak v Moore and it goes the distance, do not be surprised if Shak looks or gets winded. Don’t get sucked into the “He gasses” argument.

Prolific pinners often do this in the first match that goes a distance in a long time. He hasn’t tasted 7 minutes since Jan 1st. We even seen this in Zain....when Sorenson got close...once. We’ve seen it in Bo... we just don’t talk about it or say “he looked a little off”. Happens. And it’s gone in one match.

I think this is the match the coaches need to see. They know Shak lost 8-4 to Darmstadt. I would want to see him against a more pragmatic wrestler like Moore. See what we get.

I guess the 7 min match on Jan 12 doesn't count

 

[LemonPie]

For those who watched the Darmstadt match, what did you see Darmstadt do to be able to negate what Shak has been able to do relatively easy with many others, relative to getting in on legs early? Was Darmstadt too big for him, a match where Shak being undersized became apparent? I watched him against Beazley/Michigan and Beazley is a big 197. Shak didn’t pin him but he definitely didn’t get outmuscled by the bigger opponent.

Shak got the first takedown and sometime later in the 1st, he hurt his knee and was limping badly. It kept him out until the Scuffle. I think you can throw out the result.

The weird one was against Kyle Conel. He just couldn't get his offense going and finish takedowns. Rasheed is the better wrestler but Conel is built like a friggin tank.

 

[LemonPie]

Maybe they send out Cassar for the OSU dual and use Shak for the post season. Doesn't Cassar have a win over Moore in freestyle?

No, he doesn't.

 

[PSU Mike]

I eagerly await the 197 matchup, but Rasheed will have to get 4 backs at a minimum to beat Moore. Cassar...I don’t think can pull it off over 7 minutes.

 

[RoarLions1]

Terrific learning opportunity for either Cassar or Rasheed. Suspect Coach is leaning Rasheed for this match.

The class of the Big Ten are Moore, Wilcke, Rasheed, and Beazley, with Brunner, Schultz and Ritter a step behind. The match Saturday, and the match next week will go a long way towards determining seeds at B1G's. So far;

Moore beat Wilcke 6-3
Rasheed beat Beazley 7-1
Beazley beat Wilcke 6-5

PSU gets tOSU (Moore) Saturday, and Iowa (Wilcke) the following weekend.
tOSU (Moore) gets UM (Beazley) on Feb.11.

#1 seed is up in the air, and right now Wilcke is likely #4.

 

[El-Jefe]

Terrific learning opportunity for either Cassar or Rasheed. Suspect Coach is leaning Rasheed for this match.

I suspect this as well.

However, some part of me would be tempted to run out Cassar, especially if the dual is clinched. Have Rasheed sit next to one of the coaches during the match and scout Moore in person (instead of just film).

Probably just more evidence of why we should all be glad I'm not the coach.

 

[RoarLions1]

I suspect this as well.

However, some part of me would be tempted to run out Cassar, especially if the dual is clinched. Have Rasheed sit next to one of the coaches during the match and scout Moore in person (instead of just film).

Probably just more evidence of why we should all be glad I'm not the coach.

What part of you? If it's other than your brain...go Rasheed .

 

[Creek Side]

 

[SRATH]

I suspect this as well.

However, some part of me would be tempted to run out Cassar, especially if the dual is clinched. Have Rasheed sit next to one of the coaches during the match and scout Moore in person (instead of just film).

Probably just more evidence of why we should all be glad I'm not the coach.

Putting AC out there is tempting for the OSU match. One, I think he can win a tactical match. Two, it keeps Moore from scouting SR and his unique style up close and personal.

Given I think we will need points, SR goes. If Nolf was not injured, I might roll the dice.

 

[Cowbell Man]

I guess the 7 min match on Jan 12 doesn't count

(FacePalm)

I gotta stop thinking. It might help. Lol

 

[nitlion6]

I suspect this as well.

However, some part of me would be tempted to run out Cassar, especially if the dual is clinched. Have Rasheed sit next to one of the coaches during the match and scout Moore in person (instead of just film).

Probably just more evidence of why we should all be glad I'm not the coach.

I am more confident than most that Penn State is going to win this dual. I am even more confident the dual isn't going to be clinched one way or the other going into the 197# match.
Good idea though.

 

[PSUAllTheWay]

How many points is Rec Hall worth? +2?

 

[tikk10]

Shakur knows how to deliver great quotes.

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

Moore will win a controlled match if Cassar gets the call, if it’s Rasheed he has his hands full (don’t pick Bottom). I had been saying Moore was better on his feet but I’m starting to wonder if it’s by a big margin. That match to me will be interesting a lot and should determine who is the guy at 197 for PSU moving forward in regards to the Darmstadt match him getting hurt played a good part in the outcome but Darmstadt has a similar body type and similar style to Rasheed’s.

 

[dunkej01]

Moore will win a controlled match if Cassar gets the call, if it’s Rasheed he has his hands full (don’t pick Bottom). I had been saying Moore was better on his feet but I’m starting to wonder if it’s by a big margin. That match to me will be interesting a lot and should determine who is the guy at 197 for PSU moving forward in regards to the Darmstadt match him getting hurt played a good part in the outcome but Darmstadt has a similar body type and similar style to Rasheed’s.

NY....do you think moore goes under Rasheed IF moore is leading in the match at the time of the choice?

 

[RoarLions1]

Moore will win a controlled match if Cassar gets the call, if it’s Rasheed he has his hands full (don’t pick Bottom). I had been saying Moore was better on his feet but I’m starting to wonder if it’s by a big margin. That match to me will be interesting a lot and should determine who is the guy at 197 for PSU moving forward in regards to the Darmstadt match him getting hurt played a good part in the outcome but Darmstadt has a similar body type and similar style to Rasheed’s.

Nice post, NY. This bout specifically, assuming it happens, must be really high on your must-see scale...an tOSU fan, and a fan of Shakur's (New York wrestler, and all). I'll buy the "Moore wins" position, as his body of work is really good...though they wrestle the matches for a reason. I believe it will be close.

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

NY....do you think moore goes under Rasheed IF moore is leading in the match at the time of the choice?

He didn’t go underneath Wilcke so i wouldn’t expect him to underneath a guy who i honestly believe is a serious threat to stick him

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

Nice post, NY. This bout specifically, assuming it happens, must be really high on your must-see scale...an tOSU fan, and a fan of Shakur's (New York wrestler, and all). I'll buy the "Moore wins" position, as his body of work is really good...though they wrestle the matches for a reason. I believe it will be close.

I’ll be on the edge of my seat for that match, i definitely expect it to be close and have some exciting moments as well

 

[nerfstate]

IF the Shraken can get the first TD, I give him >50% of winning the thing. If not, even if Moore chooses down, I give him <25%. Pulling those numbers out of my, um, heart, if anyone wants to know.

 

[El-Jefe]

He didn’t go underneath Wilcke so i wouldn’t expect him to underneath a guy who i honestly believe is a serious threat to stick him

Then the next question is: does Rasheed take top?

My guess is: no in the dual, but if they meet at B10s or NCAAs ...

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

Then the next question is: does Rasheed take top?

My guess is: no in the dual, but if they meet at B10s or NCAAs ...

I agree with your premise, i think should he lose and it’s close if they meet again he’ll take top.

 

[El-Jefe]

I agree with your premise, i think should he lose and it’s close if they meet again he’ll take top.

Not sure the dual result would impact the postseason decision. Taking top ensures he'll get a crack at his post dangerous position in the most important matches, especially since we can expect Moore to take feet.

 

[PSUcup1]

NY.... sorry if you have already answered this before

But how did you become a Buckeye fan (being from NY). Did you go to school there ?

Thanks

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

Not sure the dual result would impact the postseason decision. Taking top ensures he'll get a crack at his post dangerous position in the most important matches, especially since we can expect Moore to take feet.

If he were to beat Moore it wouldn’t necessarily matter what position he chooses to take in a rematch but if he lost a close match I’d think the PSU coaches would want to make the adjustments to put him in a better position to win that match.

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

NY.... sorry if you have already answered this before

But how did you become a Buckeye fan (being from NY). Did you go to school there ?

Thanks

No I didn’t, Tom Ryan became the head coach at Hofstra in the early 90’s and I got to watch him groom them to a respectable D1 team during his tenure there. From that time on he and my family became close through wrestling. Naturally when he left Myself and others here chose to support him and his new team. Them just becoming a top team in the NCAA over the years made me more of a fan than i already was.

 

[PSUcup1]

No I didn’t, Tom Ryan became the head coach at Hofstra in the early 90’s and I got to watch him groom them to a respectable D1 team during his tenure there. From that time on he and my family became close through wrestling. Naturally when he left Myself and others here chose to support him and his new team. Them just becoming a top team in the NCAA over the years made me more of a fan than i already was.

ahhh... very cool!

I found out a few years ago that my wife's cousin was on his (Ryans) high school team on Long Island. Her cousin was a very good football player who also wrestled to stay in shape

At the time he didnt know that Ryan had left Hofstra and moved on to OSU as he had stopped following the sport.... I guess being a cop with 5 (yes 5) daughters can do that to a man lol