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Sitting here watching Inherit The Wind on TCM and you realize

I always enjoy a gross generalization.
Yeah, it is. An earlier post spoke to the remake of True Grit as being politically correct in comparison with the original. I found this to be ridiculous because, just as a single example, Jeff Bridges's characterization of Rooster is far more racist than was John Wayne's. (I wasn't offended because there were racist people back then, still are, and he was playing a honest role.)
 
Yeah, it is. An earlier post spoke to the remake of True Grit as being politically correct in comparison with the original. I found this to be ridiculous because, just as a single example, Jeff Bridges's characterization of Rooster is far more racist than was John Wayne's. (I wasn't offended because there were racist people back then, still are, and he was playing a honest role.)

I'll never understand how or why people can be so self-absorbed to not see or recognize great performances outside of their areas of expertise, or things that weren't "in their day". Good grief there are so many great movies, shows, books, artists, etc today, yet some choose to think great art or experiences only happened when they were aged 10 to 25.

Get off my lawn.
 
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I'll never understand how or why people can be so self-absorbed to not see or recognize great performances outside of their areas of expertise, or things that weren't "in their day". Good grief there are so many great movies, shows, books, artists, etc today, yet some choose to think great art or experiences only happened when they were aged 10 to 25.

Get off my lawn.
If you happen to be referring to me, I do watch contemporary movies. I just don't go to movie theaters or enjoy tech movies or ones with gratuitous violence. I read plenty of contemporary literature.

Would you agree that some art is timeless?
 
If you happen to be referring to me, I do watch contemporary movies. I just don't go to movie theaters or enjoy tech movies or ones with gratuitous violence. I read plenty of contemporary literature.

Would you agree that some art is timeless?

I was not referring to you, or really anyone in particular. It's a theme that has arisen a few times in this and other threads. And regarding your first paragraph, neither do I, but that really wasn't what I was referencing.

Some art/performances are absolutely timeless. And some of that is being produced today, despite what a few blindly and sadly think.
 
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And then you sit up in bed, realize you are old and your antiquated ideologies don't matter anymore, then... just go back to sleep. Cause you're old. My friend, old Hollywood was a burning pile of simplistic, overly sentimental, obviously racist garbage. Things get better as time goes on. My grandchildren will be telling me how awful our movies are today. And I'll accept that.

So us old people think today's movies are garbage compared to the ones they made years ago, and your grandchildren will think today's movies are garbage compared to the ones they make 40 and 50 years from now. I guess that means that today's movies are just plain overall garbage.
 
So nice that you chose to use your very first post to say something silly to me. Really silly, dumb things...but it's the thought that counts.

So next time put some actual thought into your post.
 
pretty much all of what Hollywood puts out today is nothing but garbage. Most of what we hold up today as acting icons, to use a sports phrase, couldn't hold Spencer Tracy's jock.
Yea. Couldn't agree more. Saw Mutiny on the Bounty last night on TCM. Forgot how good it was.
 
This is a case of voting with your wallet. Studios know that increasingly the average moviegoer will come out for only the big blockbuster (superhero/star wars) films. Just look at the difference in gross revenue between the best picture nominees and the biggest films of 2016. It's pretty obvious that the public overwhelmingly prefers the "garbage" as you call it. So if you want more prestige flicks with heavy plot development and character ranges you better hope people come out an support those flicks. If you're a studio where are you going to invest your money?

Best Picture 2017 Gross
"Arrival": $95.7 million
"Fences": $48.7 million
"Hacksaw Ridge": $65.5 million
"Hell or High Water": $27.0 million
"Hidden Figures": $83.7 million
"La La Land": $89.7 million
"Lion": $16.3 million
"Manchester By the Sea": $38.9 million
"Moonlight": $15.8 million

Sci-fi / Superhero / Cartoon
1 Captain America: Civil War $1,153,304,495
2 Rogue One: A Star Wars Story $1,048,057,868
3 Finding Dory $1,028,194,984
4 Zootopia $1,023,784,195
5 The Jungle Book $966,550,600
6 The Secret Life of Pets $875,457,937
7 Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice $873,260,194
8 Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them $811,303,734
9 Deadpool $783,112,979
10 Suicide Squad $745,600,054
That says a lot, about a number of things.
 
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Yes it does. We are of the same thought is my guess, 1300. A person can like both, for sure, but given one 10 dollar bill, will choose to watch humans fly, men and women wearing masks performing impossible feats, large numbers of people getting killed and cartoons.

I wasn't allowed to watch Superman on TV in the '50s.
 
old Hollywood was a burning pile of simplistic, overly sentimental, obviously racist garbage.

Watch these 8 movies; the Defiant Ones, Showboat, Stars in my Crown, Home of the Brave, Twelve Angry Men, Sergeant Rutledge, Crossfire and Broken Arrow. Afterwards, let me know 8 movies made in the last ten years that compare.
 
Yes it does. We are of the same thought is my guess, 1300. A person can like both, for sure, but given one 10 dollar bill, will choose to watch humans fly, men and women wearing masks performing impossible feats, large numbers of people getting killed and cartoons.

I wasn't allowed to watch Superman on TV in the '50s.

Since you bring up the 50's I have a question regarding movie demographics over the years. Compared to the recent times, what would you say was the age of the majority of movie patrons back then? In my perspective, based on stereotypes/bias/lack of knowledge from those times b/c I wasn't alive, in the 40's-60's more middle age / older adults went to the movies as it was seen as a status thing to do. These days I avoid going to a friday / saturday night show like the plague so I don't have to deal with a theater filled with teenagers trying to get to second base.
 
Since you bring up the 50's I have a question regarding movie demographics over the years. Compared to the recent times, what would you say was the age of the majority of movie patrons back then? In my perspective, based on stereotypes/bias/lack of knowledge from those times b/c I wasn't alive, in the 40's-60's more middle age / older adults went to the movies as it was seen as a status thing to do. These days I avoid going to a friday / saturday night show like the plague so I don't have to deal with a theater filled with teenagers trying to get to second base.
I don't know or remember. I'm from a big family and I can only remember going to the movies once with my parents -- Bridge on the River Kwai. I was about five or six and really, wtf were my parents thinking. The movie is three hours or so long. I got smacked a couple of times for distracting the people in front of us.

Anyway, I went to some Saturday matinees. They were a quarter. Disney movies were 35 cents. We just didn't have the money for movies. And then there was the Catholic Legion of Decency list. We had to check that to see how a movie was rated. I distinctly remember not being able to go see Sunday in New York with my buddies because of its naughty rating.

I don't have an answer for you except that adults dressed up, suits and ties and dresses, to go to the movies.

In the 50s everybody seemed old to me.:)
 
Watch these 8 movies; the Defiant Ones, Showboat, Stars in my Crown, Home of the Brave, Twelve Angry Men, Sergeant Rutledge, Crossfire and Broken Arrow. Afterwards, let me know 8 movies made in the last ten years that compare.

We're these all made in the span of one decade? Other great contemporary movies IMO - Magnolia, Saving Private Ryan, Pulp Fiction, The Usual Suspects, 12 Years a Slave, Zero Dark Thirty, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Memento, Mulholland Drive, Lost In Translation...
 
Watch these 8 movies; the Defiant Ones, Showboat, Stars in my Crown, Home of the Brave, Twelve Angry Men, Sergeant Rutledge, Crossfire and Broken Arrow. Afterwards, let me know 8 movies made in the last ten years that compare.
also, hoow could you possibly not mention perhaps the greatest film of the era you are highlighting: The Third Man....a far better film than those you mention
 
MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY.

This is why you have todays' great actors and actresses, and they can't find work. You have everyone doing voiceover work for Disney animated movies, so studios can rake in hundreds of millions by selling 6 tickets instead of one or two, so that these people will take their children to the movies. You have these actors doing voiceovers for cars and beer, because nobody is even making movies for adults today, because morons and idiots cant understand or follow a plot line that doesn't involve a car chase or explosions. Hell, when I was a child, there were about 5 movies you could see, that was it, and not even all of them were animated, half of them were Disney movies with real life characters, like the Shaggy Dog, or the Apple Dumpling gang, etc...
 
We're these all made in the span of one decade? Other great contemporary movies IMO - Magnolia, Saving Private Ryan, Pulp Fiction, The Usual Suspects, 12 Years a Slave, Zero Dark Thirty, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Memento, Mulholland Drive, Lost In Translation...

While true, I will not, and cannot support movies by people like Woody Allen, or Bill Murray, knowing that he beat his wife senseless on more than a half dozen occasions.
 
it was a filingby his wife in a divorce proceeding, no criminal charges or "plea bargain"
 
The movie industry constantly changes, adapting to changing times. Not every "big" movie is bad, but it seems like most are average at best.

In the 50's and 60's the youth/teen market was targeted with "B" movies. Big budget movies were aimed at older audiences or all ages. They were a response to the growing influence of TV, which allowed people to stay home and be entertained.

TV eventually won out, and that was furthered by videos and DVDs and over the years, movies stopped targeting the older demographic as their prime demographic. Teens and twenties became the prime demographic because they went to the movies to socialize regularly.

Now, the older demographic and the market for more intelligent movies would argue that they stopped going to as many movies because of the dumbing down of movies, not because they got older, started families, changed the way they socialize, etc. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

The B Movies still appeal to the younger demographic, except they now get the big budgets--hence superheroes, sci-fi, etc dominating the current movie market. With bigger budgets comes bigger expectations... the stakes are now higher. So you get sequel after sequel, with executives not willing to take chances with huge budgets. The explosion of CGI has made the ability to make these types of movies more realistic has also been a factor.

The other issue is the globalization of the movie business. It's always been a part of the movie market, but it's become a huge part of the market. Which movies are going to be more universal and play/market in the US, Europe and Asia? X-Men, Godzilla, Transforners, Aliens 15... or Brokeback Mountain, 12 Years a Slave, Milk, Moonlight?

Much like TV, where the major networks are full of drivel, and most of the cutting edge and best TV is on smaller networks (or Pay TV), much of the better, intelligent films are indie films. Which thanks to technology, are much easier to make with higher production values than it used to be.

There are exceptions, of course, but there are still a lot of really good films being made today, both indies and studios. But they don't get the same exposure.

Of course, it could also just be the dumbing down of America, where science, intelligent discourse, etc. are frowned upon. And shows like the Academy Awards are called elites handing each other awards for bad movies no one watches.
 
Betty Davis thought "The Best Years of Our Lives" was maybe the greatest movie ever. The more I see it, the more I agree. All-star cast.
 
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Watch these 8 movies; the Defiant Ones, Showboat, Stars in my Crown, Home of the Brave, Twelve Angry Men, Sergeant Rutledge, Crossfire and Broken Arrow. Afterwards, let me know 8 movies made in the last ten years that compare.

My fault. I made this list of older movies in reaction to the poster who said older movies are racist. These films all attacked bigotry on blacks, Hispanics, Indians and Jews.

Yes and I exaggerated. There are some fine films made today. However, the 8 I mentioned are all fine movies, but I can easily come up with 20 more just as good from each decade of the 30's, 40's, 50's and 60's. Some will scoff at some silent films, but there are 5-10 that would compare with any.
 
My fault. I made this list of older movies in reaction to the poster who said older movies are racist. These films all attacked bigotry on blacks, Hispanics, Indians and Jews.

Yes and I exaggerated. There are some fine films made today. However, the 8 I mentioned are all fine movies, but I can easily come up with 20 more just as good from each decade of the 30's, 40's, 50's and 60's. Some will scoff at some silent films, but there are 5-10 that would compare with any.
Some great silent films, other than the obvious Chaplin and Keaton comedies:
  1. Sunrise
  2. The Wind
  3. Greed
  4. The Big Parade
  5. The Crowd
 
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Moonlight and Manchester by the sea are both great stories.
I know the biz.. all the talent you s on the TV side

Much more lucrative. The Pope. Great. Billionaires, shameless, walking dead. Game of thrones....

The amount of content is amazing. Anybody in TV will tell you it is a golden age.

Now back to movies. Inherit and twelve angry. Amazing.
Very rare to see any courtroom movie that is not great because it relies on dialog.

There were a ton of great movies ( Casablanca from
Psu's own Epstein bros) But there were so many
Horrible movies because they cranked them out non stop.

You are right Spencer Tracey was the best. Thirty years from now
Someone will be saying that about that kid Tom Hanks.
 
Some great silent films, other than the obvious Chaplin and Keaton comedies:
  1. Sunrise
  2. The Wind
  3. Greed
  4. The Big Parade
  5. The Crowd

Don't forget H B Warner in the silent great - King of Kings. BTW, he also had parts in Mr. Deeds goes to Town, Mr. Smith goes to Washington, It's a Wonderful Life, A Tale of Two Cities,Sunset Boulevard and Lost Horizon. The first 2 would be in my top ten. With 3 right behind. I live Frank Capra movies.

I also felt Ben Hur was far superior to the remake with Charlton Heston.

My favorite silent screen actor was Lon Chaney. He made some incredible movies. Watch West of Zanzibar and that will creep you out far more than any blood or gut picture today.
 
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Don't forget H B Warner in the silent great - King of Kings. BTW, he also had parts in Mr. Deeds goes to Town, Mr. Smith goes to Washington, It's a Wonderful Life, A Tale of Two Cities,Sunset Boulevard and Lost Horizon. The first 2 would be in my top ten. With 3 right behind. I live Frank Capra movies.

I also felt Ben Hur was far superior to the remake with Charlton Heston.

My favorite silent screen actor was Lon Chaney. He made some incredible movies. Watch West of Zanzibar and that will creep you out far more than any blood or gut picture today.

Strange that you should mention Lon Chaney, because I saw Lon Chaney Junior walking with the Queen, and his hair was perfect.
 
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Strange that you should mention Lon Chaney, because I saw Lon Chaney Junior walking with the Queen, and his hair was perfect.

I see someone liked your post, however I don't understand it. Can you or someone else explain it to me?
 
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