So BoJo did not take a single offensive shot the entire match...

[NittanyChris]

I realize it does not benefit him to get into a scrambling match with Hall as that would clearly put him at an even greater disadvantage.

But how on Earth do you go into a revenge match in the biggest dual of the year, perhaps many years, and not take a single shot?!?!

Simply mind-boggling.

 

[PSUisawesome]

I realize it does not benefit him to get into a scrambling match with Hall as that would clearly put him at an even greater disadvantage.

But how on Earth do you go into a revenge match in the biggest dual of the year, perhaps many years, and not take a single shot?!?!

Simply mind-boggling.

A lot of Mark's opponents are trying to find a way to win without shooting into his wheelhouse. He's said "fine riding is allot like scrambling I'll ride you to death."

 

[Lyons212]

BoJo has very strong hips but does not have athletic hips. Hall has strong hips and very athletic hips. Advantage Hall.

BoJo is at the point where more strength does not help him.

 

[NittanyChris]

BoJo has very strong hips but does not have athletic hips. Hall has strong hips and very athletic hips. Advantage Hall.

BoJo is at the point where more strength does not help him.

Fair points, but not even a single shot?

It makes no sense.

 

[NoVa Lion]

Fair points, but not even a single shot?

It makes no sense.

Actually, it does. BoJo knows that if he shoots Mark scores.

 

[nitlion6]

Actually, it does. BoJo knows that if he shoots Mark scores.

This.

 

[Conewago]

BoJo has very strong hips but does not have athletic hips. Hall has strong hips and very athletic hips. Advantage Hall.

BoJo is at the point where more strength does not help him.

Bo Jordan has very athletic hips, actually. Did you see that first takedown he had off of Mark's shot? That was some pretty dang slick business there, my friend.

It's just that Mark's even slicker

 

[NoVa Lion]

Bo Jordan has very athletic hips, actually. Did you see that first takedown he had off of Mark's shot? That was some pretty dang slick business there, my friend.

It's just that Mark's even slicker

True, however IMHO that 1st TD should not have been a TD. Mark still had BoJo's leg hooked which he later converted to a reversal that should have been the 1st TD of the match. Ref blew that one IMHO.

 

[Ian]

Honestly did anyone besides Snyder take any shots in those 165-285 bouts? They flopped. Ryan should be pissed. They got stomped, Mano a Mano! In fact did any Buckeye look good last night? Even McKenna was back pedaling in pd 3. NATO set the tone and almost got pined. Pletcher was weak for a #1. Hayes started well but turtled up to avoid 6. MJordan lost a point as he should have decked an undersized BoPi.

 

[T J]

Actually, it does. BoJo knows that if he shoots Mark scores.

Seems like Tan(trum) Tom's overall strategy against our better wrestlers was to slap our wrestlers to excess, back off from contact, away from the takedown shooting range and slow the matches with stalling as much as possible.

 

[RoarLions1]

A wrestler that has 0 stalls after a 7 minute match and 0 shots isn't the only problem.

 

[PSUer1989]

Seems like Tan(trum) Tom's overall strategy against our better wrestlers was to slap our wrestlers to excess, back off from contact, away from the takedown shooting range and slow the matches with stalling as much as possible.

You mean the Dirty Jerz approach?

 

[Conewago]

True, however IMHO that 1st TD should not have been a TD. Mark still had BoJo's leg hooked which he later converted to a reversal that should have been the 1st TD of the match. Ref blew that one IMHO.

I agree, but that was still one heck of a dang scramble by Jordan, gotta be real

 

[NittanyChris]

This.

And that is one major flaw in college wrestling as it stands currently.

For a guy who is a top 3 talent in his weight class, to believe he can win without making a single offensive maneuver (and he could be right, see Jesse Delgado) reveals a significant flaw in the scoring rules & stall call enforcement currently.

 

[BanjoSaysWoof]

I am an RU fan (don't shoot me, I grew up 2 miles from the RAC). I like wrestling so I tend to follow the big schools (Ok St, OSU, Iowa, PSU, etc). Was just looking at the board here. I think BoJo not shooting was actually smart. Hall is a world class freestyle wrestler. Bo is a folk coaches son. Bo in a scramble favors Hall. Bo in a mat game should in theory favor Bo. I don't have a problem with the tactics.

FWIW I also was adamantly against the crap our 149 pulled against Zain. I even tweeted my unhappiness about it to Bo Nickal. Our 157, Van Brill, is as salt of the earth as you can find. Look at his face after the Nolf match. You can tell he wanted to go check on Nolf. He wasn't trying to hurt him. I hope people know the difference between BS wrestling (De Luca) and an accident (Van Brill)

 

[pish69]

Was just looking at the board here. I think BoJo not shooting was actually smart. Hall is a world class freestyle wrestler. Bo is a folk coaches son. Bo in a scramble favors Hall. Bo in a mat game should in theory favor Bo. I don't have a problem with the tactics.

Welcome Banjo!
The issue is he's ranked #3 in the country, not some scrub out there to keep it close. To take 0 shots in 7 minutes is ridiculous. If a PSU wrestler did that, you wouldn't see him back on the mat any time soon.

As others have said, to not have 1 stall called after taking 0 shots is very odd as well

 

[RoarLions1]

I am an RU fan (don't shoot me, I grew up 2 miles from the RAC). I like wrestling so I tend to follow the big schools (Ok St, OSU, Iowa, PSU, etc). Was just looking at the board here. I think BoJo not shooting was actually smart. Hall is a world class freestyle wrestler. Bo is a folk coaches son. Bo in a scramble favors Hall. Bo in a mat game should in theory favor Bo. I don't have a problem with the tactics.

FWIW I also was adamantly against the crap our 149 pulled against Zain. I even tweeted my unhappiness about it to Bo Nickal. Our 157, Van Brill, is as salt of the earth as you can find. Look at his face after the Nolf match. You can tell he wanted to go check on Nolf. He wasn't trying to hurt him. I hope people know the difference between BS wrestling (De Luca) and an accident (Van Brill)

Welcome!!

Really hate to do this, as yours was a very good first post...so thanks for that...though I want to comment on the bolded, underlined sentence.

In my humble opinion, any wrestler that does not shoot, or as the rulebook states, "avoid wrestling action as an offensive or defensive strategy", deserves stalling calls. Doesn't matter if he's #1 in the country or #76.

 

[Roar More]

I am an RU fan (don't shoot me, I grew up 2 miles from the RAC). I like wrestling so I tend to follow the big schools (Ok St, OSU, Iowa, PSU, etc). Was just looking at the board here. I think BoJo not shooting was actually smart. Hall is a world class freestyle wrestler. Bo is a folk coaches son. Bo in a scramble favors Hall. Bo in a mat game should in theory favor Bo. I don't have a problem with the tactics.

FWIW I also was adamantly against the crap our 149 pulled against Zain. I even tweeted my unhappiness about it to Bo Nickal. Our 157, Van Brill, is as salt of the earth as you can find. Look at his face after the Nolf match. You can tell he wanted to go check on Nolf. He wasn't trying to hurt him. I hope people know the difference between BS wrestling (De Luca) and an accident (Van Brill)

I don't think most people blame Van Brill. They blame the ref for letting it happen.

 

[nerfstate]

I am an RU fan (don't shoot me, I grew up 2 miles from the RAC). I like wrestling so I tend to follow the big schools (Ok St, OSU, Iowa, PSU, etc). Was just looking at the board here. I think BoJo not shooting was actually smart. Hall is a world class freestyle wrestler. Bo is a folk coaches son. Bo in a scramble favors Hall. Bo in a mat game should in theory favor Bo. I don't have a problem with the tactics.

FWIW I also was adamantly against the crap our 149 pulled against Zain. I even tweeted my unhappiness about it to Bo Nickal. Our 157, Van Brill, is as salt of the earth as you can find. Look at his face after the Nolf match. You can tell he wanted to go check on Nolf. He wasn't trying to hurt him. I hope people know the difference between BS wrestling (De Luca) and an accident (Van Brill)

Welcome indeed. I saw Van Brill like this too. De Luca needs to chill, however. On Ice.

I would point out that Hall proved Saturday his folkstyle mat wrestling is pretty darned elite, so let's hope if they meet again BoJo can attempt some offense.

 

[RoarLions1]

Related...

All the weight classes have intriguing storylines. 174 is no different. Below is the current InterMat Rankings, top-8 only.

1 Zahid Valencia Arizona State Pac-12
2 Mark Hall Penn State Big Ten
3 Bo Jordan Ohio State Big Ten
4 Daniel Lewis Missouri MAC
5 Jordan Kutler Lehigh EIWA
6 Myles Amine Michigan Big Ten
7 Taylor Lujan Northern Iowa Big 12
8 Jadaen Bernstein Navy EIWA

-- Zahid has the easier path to an undefeated season. Mark has to go through Jordan/Amine at Big Ten's. Does the NCAA Wrestling Committee move Mark to #1 Seed, if he wins out as the returning champ, or do they use the ASC result to keep him #2?

-- Can an undefeated Daniel Lewis move in front of Jordan, making Jordan (as #4) a possible semi-final opponent to the #1 Seed at NCAA's?

 

[El-Jefe]

-- Can an undefeated Daniel Lewis move in front of Jordan, making Jordan (as #4) a possible semi-final opponent to the #1 Seed at NCAA's?

Yes, at least partly because Jordan will lose to Mark at B10s. Really hard to put a guy with 3 losses over an undefeated wrestler who competed in a full season. Harder yet with 4 losses.

 

[James Toney]

It would really stink if Bojo beats Mark at B10s, then Mark would get Zahid in the semis. I definitely favor Hall but not by a whole lot. Their matches are always close.

 

[Osprey Lion]

Bo Jordan has very athletic hips, actually. Did you see that first takedown he had off of Mark's shot? That was some pretty dang slick business there, my friend.

It's just that Mark's even slicker

I'm still not sure it was really a takedown.

 

[jschrantz]

BoJo gets ripped by many on here, guess this board is filled up with former 4x All Americans.

 

[JimNazium]

You need to be an AA to comment on Jordan's wrestling style? Why so sensitive?

 

[Dar.of.Emur]

Couple thoughts.

Mark Hall is the best counter-wrestler in the NCAA right now. By far. So why give him a chance to counter?

Also, the guys on The Inside Trip podcast pointed out that Mark Hall kept his left leg way way back - to the point that this seemed like strategy. The only successful attack that BoJo has done to Hall, in the past, is that snatch-single to the left leg out of a collar tie. Mark made it impossible for Bo to get to his go-to move.

Not sure why the OP has to pick on Bo - the lack of a shot during the match is probably directly proportional to the fact that Mark Hall is a transcendent talent. Doesnt say anything negative about Bo. Just shows how elite Hall really is.

Honestly, as an Ohio State grad/fanatic - I will get a little defensive with attacks on Bo Jordan. The kid has gone through so much over the past few years... unexpected pregnancy leading to getting married, a 2nd kid, a very painful bone tumor requiring procedures and chemo.... and with all this "life" hitting him, he is still finishing 3-3-2 at nationals, and competing to the level where he is carrying a 4-2 lead over a future senior level world team member into the 3rd period.
99% of other guys, with this much "life" hitting them that fast, would have quit the sport, or would be NQ-level wrestlers, at best.
IMHO, Bo is a fantastic story and we all should just enjoy what we get from him.

 

[PSUcup1]

It would really stink if Bojo beats Mark at B10s, then Mark would get Zahid in the semis. I definitely favor Hall but not by a whole lot. Their matches are always close.

in all honesty, getting Valencia on friday night instead of Saturday night is an advantage for mark IMO

 

[James Toney]

in all honesty, getting Valencia on friday night instead of Saturday night is an advantage for mark IMO

Agree. Never thought of it that way.

 

[matter7172]

I don't think most people blame Van Brill. They blame the ref for letting it happen.

My problem with Van Brill was his raising both arms above his head and screaming as he left the floor in the RAC. You can tell me all you want about him but that was disgusting.

 

[nerfstate]

My problem with Van Brill was his raising both arms above his head and screaming as he left the floor in the RAC. You can tell me all you want about him but that was disgusting.

Is it possible you misinterpreted what you saw? I just feel like you'd have to be a pretty major low-life to react that way to injuring a guy, much less THE guy.

 

[PSUcup1]

Is it possible you misinterpreted what you saw? I just feel like you'd have to be a pretty major low-life to react that way to injuring a guy, much less THE guy.

he is. Van Brill was upset after the match. he was not celebrating

 

[BanjoSaysWoof]

My problem with Van Brill was his raising both arms above his head and screaming as he left the floor in the RAC. You can tell me all you want about him but that was disgusting.

I didn't see that. No way no how do I think it is what you saw. Look at that match again... John's reaction is all concern.

 

[Harleyr1]

My problem with Van Brill was his raising both arms above his head and screaming as he left the floor in the RAC. You can tell me all you want about him but that was disgusting.

I was there and that’s just not true ...the kid was clearly upset with what happened ..you wanna critic DeLuca ..feel free ....but the VanBrill
kid did nothing wrong and yes he ran into the locker room but did not do what you’re saying

 

[midniteride]

BoJo gets ripped by many on here, guess this board is filled up with former 4x All Americans.

I think we are mostly 5 time All Americans.

 

[dunkej01]

Also, the guys on The Inside Trip podcast pointed out that Mark Hall kept his left leg way way back - to the point that this seemed like strategy. The only successful attack that BoJo has done to Hall, in the past, is that snatch-single to the left leg out of a collar tie. Mark made it impossible for Bo to get to his go-to move.

.

This cant be true because that would mean our staff can coach and scout. Besides Mark of all people rolled into town destined and preordained to be a 4x NC just has to go through the motions.

#thingssaidwhileangry

 

[NittanyChris]

Couple thoughts.

Mark Hall is the best counter-wrestler in the NCAA right now. By far. So why give him a chance to counter?

Also, the guys on The Inside Trip podcast pointed out that Mark Hall kept his left leg way way back - to the point that this seemed like strategy. The only successful attack that BoJo has done to Hall, in the past, is that snatch-single to the left leg out of a collar tie. Mark made it impossible for Bo to get to his go-to move.

Not sure why the OP has to pick on Bo - the lack of a shot during the match is probably directly proportional to the fact that Mark Hall is a transcendent talent. Doesnt say anything negative about Bo. Just shows how elite Hall really is.

Honestly, as an Ohio State grad/fanatic - I will get a little defensive with attacks on Bo Jordan. The kid has gone through so much over the past few years... unexpected pregnancy leading to getting married, a 2nd kid, a very painful bone tumor requiring procedures and chemo.... and with all this "life" hitting him, he is still finishing 3-3-2 at nationals, and competing to the level where he is carrying a 4-2 lead over a future senior level world team member into the 3rd period.
99% of other guys, with this much "life" hitting them that fast, would have quit the sport, or would be NQ-level wrestlers, at best.
IMHO, Bo is a fantastic story and we all should just enjoy what we get from him.

First- BoJo's personal life has ZERO to do with his wrestling strategy vs Mark Hall, it's irrelevant so I won't discuss it.

Second- perhaps my criticism should be more directed to the Ref because BoJo was wrestling within the confines of the rules AS THEY ARE CALLED by the refs. It's to his advantage not to get in a scramble with Hall, so he chose to not take a single offensive shot for the entire 7 minute match. Perhaps it is the ref's fault for not calling repeated stalling infractions on a wrestler who chooses this strategy.

 

[El-Jefe]

Couple thoughts.

Mark Hall is the best counter-wrestler in the NCAA right now. By far. So why give him a chance to counter?

Also, the guys on The Inside Trip podcast pointed out that Mark Hall kept his left leg way way back - to the point that this seemed like strategy. The only successful attack that BoJo has done to Hall, in the past, is that snatch-single to the left leg out of a collar tie. Mark made it impossible for Bo to get to his go-to move.

Not sure why the OP has to pick on Bo - the lack of a shot during the match is probably directly proportional to the fact that Mark Hall is a transcendent talent. Doesnt say anything negative about Bo. Just shows how elite Hall really is.

Honestly, as an Ohio State grad/fanatic - I will get a little defensive with attacks on Bo Jordan. The kid has gone through so much over the past few years... unexpected pregnancy leading to getting married, a 2nd kid, a very painful bone tumor requiring procedures and chemo.... and with all this "life" hitting him, he is still finishing 3-3-2 at nationals, and competing to the level where he is carrying a 4-2 lead over a future senior level world team member into the 3rd period.
99% of other guys, with this much "life" hitting them that fast, would have quit the sport, or would be NQ-level wrestlers, at best.
IMHO, Bo is a fantastic story and we all should just enjoy what we get from him.

Everybody knows he is a husband and father. The order in which those happened is none of our business.

 

[Brian LB-U]

Chris, watch it again. Bo took several decent shots only to be stoned by Mark.

 

[Dogwelder]

I think we are mostly 5 time All Americans.

I don't want to brag, but I am undefeated in NCAA D1 wrestling.

 

[jack66]

A couple things.

Refs are more than happy to call stalling in the 3rd period when a wrestler is protecting a lead. I'm okay with that, but they need to apply the same standard in the 1st period when one wrestler is taking all the shots. Oh BTW, BoJo took zero committed shots, there's no way he should have gotten through the 1st 2 periods without a stall.

The challenge in the 184 match reminded me of the challenge in last years Hall vs BoJo final. IMO, the replay official needs to be given latitude to call continued action. In both cases the best call might have been 2-2, but if overturned the only result would have gone to the original TD with no reversal ... that clearly would have been unfair.