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Spencer Lee - what am I missing?

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Yes - yet another Spencer thread... and apologies in advance as i'm sure this was covered ad nauseam ever since Spencer laced up his shoes as a toddler.......but i'm seeing a lot of "PSU projected lineups" that assume Spencer is coming to the good side... And as much as I am trying to be as subjective as possible, what am I missing?

I know we all of course want Spencer Lee in the PSU fold... But it seems all the more clear from everywhere that I'm reading (mostly on these boards) that he's all but a sure PSU signee.. - If we take out our "PSU-Bias", is there something I'm missing about why Spencer signing with PSU isn't going to happen?.. - It seems that its been a 2-horse race between Iowa & PSU.. - But looking at Iowa's recruiting class - getting Mejia and Renteria doesn't make much sense if they were holding out for Spencer. - Both from a roster POV & $$.

Assuming below projected 125 rankings are correct -

1) Spencer Lee (JR) - ??
2) Justin Mejia (JR) - IOWA
3) Ramon BY (Soph) - ??
4) Austin DeSanto (JR) - ??
5) Jason Renteria (JR) - IOWA
6) Brandon Cray (SR) - Maryland
7) Nick Raimo (FR) -

From Spencer's POV - he probably shouldn't and wouldn't care who he would be sharing 125 with.. But from the school's perspective, it seems like PSU is ALL IN on Spencer.. And if PSU isn't, who else are we going after that could fill in for Suriano as he moves up.?

What am I missing? (besides the fact that we all are hinging our bets on a 17 year old to make the biggest decision of his life;) -

btw.. if and when we get Spencer and regardless of how Suriano plays out - I'm going to always miss and think about our Nico...True Champion in every sense, regardless of the hardware.

Salute to the Champions.. All the respect and admiration to those who made it happen.. starter, not starter, coach, family, friend and fan.... championships don't happen by accident.. its a collective effort done mostly when the cameras are off... - WE ARE..
 
I'm asking is Spencer Lee committing to PSU really a sure thing?.. Of course there are a million factors going into a decision, but if its between iowa and psu, it doesn't seem like much of a choice.. (and that is no knock on Iowa, its just a pure speculation that Iowa has moved on in recruiting top 125ers and PSU hasn't.. ) - assuming Suriano moves to 133 in the future.
 
johnstownsteel said:
What makes you think PSU is all in on Spencer? Do you know who Cael is or isn't recruiting to fill the weight?
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no.. your right.. I don't... have no clue... which is why i'm hoping somebody could enlighten me who might have better intel than me.. - good point... its all just speculation in the end... I just am reading a myriad of "projected" lineups on this board and all of them have Spencer Lee in them... I just didn't know if that was wishful thinking or a product of inside-intel.
 
Ankle Pick said:
I'm asking is Spencer Lee committing to PSU really a sure thing?.. Of course there are a million factors going into a decision, but if its between iowa and psu, it doesn't seem like much of a choice.. (and that is no knock on Iowa, its just a pure speculation that Iowa has moved on in recruiting top 125ers and PSU hasn't.. ) - assuming Suriano moves to 133 in the future.
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I don't even know if it's between just Iowa and PSU and I don't think anyone else does either. Granted, it looks that way but Spencer is keeping things close to the vest right now.

Is it a guarantee we get him? No it isn't. I think that is answering your question. I think we are going to find out very very soon and the speculation will end. I'm looking forward to it!
 
johnstownsteel said:
I don't even know if it's between just Iowa and PSU and I don't think anyone else does either. Granted, it looks that way but Spencer is keeping things close to the vest right now.

Is it a guarantee we get him? No it isn't. I think that is answering your question. I think we are going to find out very very soon and the speculation will end. I'm looking forward to it!
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thanks.. you are right.. we will find out soon enough.... I guess i'm reading too much into the project lineups like they are actually a "sure thing".. - geesh.. I can't imagine how the coaches can strategically project lineups and recruit based upon the million "what-ifs" for 4-5 years down the line..- but I'm sure glad they are and not us;)
 
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Ankle Pick said:
I'm asking is Spencer Lee committing to PSU really a sure thing?.. Of course there are a million factors going into a decision, but if its between iowa and psu, it doesn't seem like much of a choice.. (and that is no knock on Iowa, its just a pure speculation that Iowa has moved on in recruiting top 125ers and PSU hasn't.. ) - assuming Suriano moves to 133 in the future.
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Can't help wondering if money may be playing into the situation, given the kids who've committed during the last couple years and the 9.9 scholarship limit.
 
At this point, anything with Spencer Lee in the lineup is fan fiction. It's fun.
 
Ankle Pick said:
Yes - yet another Spencer thread... and apologies in advance as i'm sure this was covered ad nauseam ever since Spencer laced up his shoes as a toddler.......but i'm seeing a lot of "PSU projected lineups" that assume Spencer is coming to the good side... And as much as I am trying to be as subjective as possible, what am I missing?

I know we all of course want Spencer Lee in the PSU fold... But it seems all the more clear from everywhere that I'm reading (mostly on these boards) that he's all but a sure PSU signee.. - If we take out our "PSU-Bias", is there something I'm missing about why Spencer signing with PSU isn't going to happen?.. - It seems that its been a 2-horse race between Iowa & PSU.. - But looking at Iowa's recruiting class - getting Mejia and Renteria doesn't make much sense if they were holding out for Spencer. - Both from a roster POV & $$.

Assuming below projected 125 rankings are correct -

1) Spencer Lee (JR) - ??
2) Justin Mejia (JR) - IOWA
3) Ramon BY (Soph) - ??
4) Austin DeSanto (JR) - ??
5) Jason Renteria (JR) - IOWA
6) Brandon Cray (SR) - Maryland
7) Nick Raimo (FR) -

From Spencer's POV - he probably shouldn't and wouldn't care who he would be sharing 125 with.. But from the school's perspective, it seems like PSU is ALL IN on Spencer.. And if PSU isn't, who else are we going after that could fill in for Suriano as he moves up.?

What am I missing? (besides the fact that we all are hinging our bets on a 17 year old to make the biggest decision of his life;) -

btw.. if and when we get Spencer and regardless of how Suriano plays out - I'm going to always miss and think about our Nico...True Champion in every sense, regardless of the hardware.

Salute to the Champions.. All the respect and admiration to those who made it happen.. starter, not starter, coach, family, friend and fan.... championships don't happen by accident.. its a collective effort done mostly when the cameras are off... - WE ARE..
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Great pic of Coach Stritt-Young Guns with Nico following the championship , also who sends Nico his first tweet following the title, none other than his good buddy and workout partner young Mr. Lee, another Young Guns frequent visitor , close with Coach. It's a Young Guns-Cael-Franklin-Nico-Lee connection. Also, I heard an interview two weeks ago where Spencer was raving about another former Young Gun, Jason Nolf. Yes, I'm aware Kemerer is at Iowa, but Cenzo is here and I think that's who Cael preferred. Nothing is guaranteed Ankle, but what else you looking for besides name to paper?
 
jschrantz said:
Great pic of Coach Stritt-Young Guns with Nico following the championship , also who sends Nico his first tweet following the title, none other than his good buddy and workout partner young Mr. Lee, another Young Guns frequent visitor , close with Coach. It's a Young Guns-Cael-Franklin-Nico-Lee connection. Also, I heard an interview two weeks ago where Spencer was raving about another former Young Gun, Jason Nolf. Yes, I'm aware Kemerer is at Iowa, but Cenzo is here and I think that's who Cael preferred. Nothing is guaranteed Ankle, but what else you looking for besides name to paper?
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Well.. "Name to paper" would be nice;).. But yes, agree on all fronts.. Just curious if anybody else knew something more than i.. (which happens every time I visit this board) about mr Lee's intentions..
 
Not that its necessarily relevant to the Lee speculation, but the Young Gun guys who went elsewhere like Kemerer were not elite guys, imo,. They were good no doubt, but not what I would think of as elite recruits coming out of high school.

I would not be surprised if Ohio St ends up being the real competition for Lee.
Just speculation there by me of course.
 
why not Cornell?....if you think of life after wrestling who wouldn't want that diploma? His mom is a professor if I recall, so I would think the family thinks of things in respect to the student part of student athlete more than most.
 
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RandyL said:
Not that its necessarily relevant to the Lee speculation, but the Young Gun guys who went elsewhere like Kemerer were not elite guys, imo,. They were good no doubt, but not what I would think of as elite recruits coming out of high school.

I would not be surprised if Ohio St ends up being the real competition for Lee.
Just speculation there by me of course.
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Randy, not sure of your definition of elite. Kemerer was the top ranked 145 nationally by most of the rating services. I think he was top 10 p4p or close to it. While psu pursued Joseph stronger than Kemerer it was clear that retherford and nolf were blocking kemerer's path at psu. While I'm a fan of both Kemerer and Joseph we have a long way to go before we know which wrestler has the best college career.
 
tpnlion said:
why not Cornell?....if you think of life after wrestling who wouldn't want that diploma? His mom is a professor if I recall, so I would think the family thinks of things in respect to the student part of student athlete more than most.
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Spencer Lee's goal is Olympic gold. How does Cornell get him there?
 
I'm not an insider but I view it this way. Lee wants to ultimately be an Olympic champion. He can get there thru the PSU program. He will be coached by arguably the best ever collegiant wrestler. The same said coach is a former Olympic champion. The same coach took a program that was never really going to win a National Championship and did what with it? 5 out of the last 6. There are other Olympic champions who are brand names under the PSU/club wrestling umbrella (i.e. Varner). He's seen the success of a David Taylor, Ed Ruth, Zain, Nolf etc. under Cael and his staffs coaching/mentoring. Again, PSU has won 5 of the last 6 championships. No question he wants to be an NCAA champion but the program success and team success has to be a huge factor. Also, he's a PA boy who I would assume wants to be relatively close to home. He can go to PSU and get everything he needs. He sees Suriano headed there, Nico will hang around, I believe Gomez is there as well. Excellent partners to continue to develop with. Spencer will end up at PSU IMO.
 
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El-Jefe said:
Spencer Lee's goal is Olympic gold. How does Cornell get him there?
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I believe this is the essential question that Cael asks all these guys and what he is referring to in regards to "you have to trust the process"....."keep wrestling the right way and things will take care of themselves"....etc... The essential question is, "What is your ultimate goal, to win an NCAA Championship or win a World/Olympic Championship?". If it is the latter, this is what Cael is referring to when he says he's not worried about a loss as long as it is "part of the process" and they are wrestling "the right way" relative to that process -- this is what he was saying about J-No's and Bo's losses, he doesn't have a big problem with them because they were wrestling the "right way" relative to their ultimate goal, so it's just part of the process. They went out and attempted to win the match and control their destiny - that is what you have to do to win an Olympic/International Championship against the best in the world, you have to go out and just plain "wrestle" better than them, you aren't going to win on some gimmicky, jive folkstyle crap and if you focus on wrestling like that, you are just going to hurt yourself long-term.
 
There are a handful of great training camps that go hand in hand with college teams. And there are even fewer of these setups that can realistically get you an NCAA team title thrown in there for good measure. As far as knowing where someone is going, I was at the Carnegie Deli in NYC between sessions and a Lehigh fan sits down and of course we talk wrestling. He claimed Nolf was headed to Lehigh for about two years prior to his visit to Penn State. In two weeks Cael had him wrapped up. I don't know if the guy I was talking to was full of crap or not, but I can tell you that corned beef on rye was fantastic. Moral of the story, enjoy the ride. Everything will work out.
 
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All I know is if Lee does pick PSU as many people feel he may the meltdown on the HR will make their board from the last few days look like a calm and civilized discussion.
 
lauren68 said:
There are a handful of great training camps that go hand in hand with college teams. And there are even fewer of these setups that can realistically get you an NCAA team title thrown in there for good measure. As far as knowing where someone is going, I was at the Carnegie Deli in NYC between sessions and a Lehigh fan sits down and of course we talk wrestling. He claimed Nolf was headed to Lehigh for about two years prior to his visit to Penn State. In two weeks Cael had him wrapped up. I don't know if the guy I was talking to was full of crap or not, but I can tell you that corned beef on rye was fantastic. Moral of the story, enjoy the ride. Everything will work out.
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He was definitely full of crap. Most of us were worried about Cornell because Nolf named only them when asked about colleges in an interview on Flo during his JR year. Nolf also had an official scheduled to Iowa when he committed to PSU. He may have had some interest in Lehigh, but obviously not as much as that guy claimed.
 
IMHO, some top recruits may be scared off from coming to PSU, for fear of not breaking into the lineup right away. Spencer Lee and Mark Hall absolutely do not have that concern.
 
lauren68 said:
There are a handful of great training camps that go hand in hand with college teams. And there are even fewer of these setups that can realistically get you an NCAA team title thrown in there for good measure. As far as knowing where someone is going, I was at the Carnegie Deli in NYC between sessions and a Lehigh fan sits down and of course we talk wrestling. He claimed Nolf was headed to Lehigh for about two years prior to his visit to Penn State. In two weeks Cael had him wrapped up. I don't know if the guy I was talking to was full of crap or not, but I can tell you that corned beef on rye was fantastic. Moral of the story, enjoy the ride. Everything will work out.
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He was full of crap. Nolf is on record as saying he was headed to Cornell before he flipped to PSU!
 
goethe14 said:
All I know is if Lee does pick PSU as many people feel he may the meltdown on the HR will make their board from the last few days look like a calm and civilized discussion.
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When he picks Penn State, on Hawk Report he will go from a must get, can't miss wrestling God to a we never wanted the over rated ever stalling undersized over hyped kid.
 
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It's nearly comical how nearly every one of our wrestlers, if anything, always look a bit smaller than their opponents(because we don't pull a bunch of weight, yes Rasheed tried but look what happened), yet over at HR, we are all roided up.
 
In fairness to the HR it should be mentioned that the idiot spewing the PED's theory was mocked or ignored by the majority. I will be shocked if Lee goes anywhere but PSU. Team titles, closer to home, and superior education all work in your favor.
 
Flying_Tiger said:
To be fair, the guy said some of our wrestlers were on PEDs, not steroids.
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I think the guy just missed type and real meant to say PEZ. I always liked the ones with the Fred Flintstones head on the dispenser, but I could see Zane taking the Bamm Bamm one because that seems what he does to his opponents in his matches, Bam Bam.
 
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Spencer Lee isn't a sure thing, but we are viewed as the favorite. We were not the clear favorite for Mark Hall, but Cael got his man. Trust in Cael.
 
ejb25 said:
Spencer Lee isn't a sure thing, but we are viewed as the favorite. We were not the clear favorite for Mark Hall, but Cael got his man. Trust in Cael.
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+1

I believe Nico winning NCAA's and sticking around going forward will further nudge Spencer our way. His style fits the PSU way perfectly.
 
You know I almost picked up the tab on that lying prick's sandwich. I guess I should only sit with my crowd. You just can't trust anyone anymore.
 
In all fairness the guy probably heard that whenever the staff would call him Jason was always polite and he like many fans hear the kid is polite and interactive with the staff so "well that means he is ours".

I read an interview Jason did and he was talking about how he used to wait for the other kid to shoot and he would score off that. During that part of his high school career he probably thought Lehigh's wrestling in reverse style might work for him. Then he saw David Taylor wrestling to score points and Jason thought that looked fun so he began to take his offense to his opponents. My guess is right around that moment Lehigh as a possible destination was out the door. Jason was probably still polite and interactive with the staff though.
 
El-Jefe said:
He was definitely full of crap. Most of us were worried about Cornell because Nolf named only them when asked about colleges in an interview on Flo during his JR year. Nolf also had an official scheduled to Iowa when he committed to PSU. He may have had some interest in Lehigh, but obviously not as much as that guy claimed.
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he could have been thinking of Kemerer, who just about pulled his car into South Mountain before he committed to Iowa.
 
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