The ingrate! Who does he think he is, a free person with the right to choose his future?
Stevens Transfer Portal
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Not sure where you get that from, I was simply stating the situation. Stevens can do whatever he thinks is best for him, PSU will still be playing football next year without him. I wish him the best of luck, unless he is playing PSU
Fair enough...I don’t have the lines handy from 2016...but I do know we had and have much, much more talent than Maryland and more than Wisconsin. My overarching point is that we have been underachieving (remember Franklin’s speech about ‘elite’)...part of that was, while a gamer, our QB was not quite at the level of elite programs. And he did not deliver or close out the most important games.
Parsons is learning...but Farmer should never have seen the field in a program like PSU.
Well .....I disagree......I think a player should be thinking.......I want to help my Team and Coach any way that I can. I also believe any player that has enough talent to play in the NFL will get his chance to show it whether it happens in college or not.
Nope, but that game was spinning out of control until Tommy came in in the 1st half. Did Clifford play in either half? Didn’t think so.
They rotate LB’s and DL. It’s not the QB. You seriously don’t get it and I cannot fix that for you.
It’s hard to trade thoughts with a Vince Lombardi-like Svengali like you. Yes, I get the difference. Still does not mean Farmer should have ever seen the field if senior loyalty was not a factor.
Lol so now you go from arguing the staff went with Stevens to Clifford didn't play. You are a joke. Come back during the season when Clifford is QB. We will see how he is doing.
WTF are you talking about? Franklin is tanking the season so upperclassmen who may be tight with Bates, McGovern, etc. graduate? This may be the most stupid post I’ve ever seen. How about Franklin isn’t guaranteeing anyone a starting spot and will play the best player regardless of their class.
As usual there are certain posters on here who think they know more than Franklin. I’m sure if they were Bama or Clemson fans they would be getting on the coach about switching up QB’s and going with younger, more inexperienced guys.
Did you see the Blue White game, the bowl game where he went in— not sure I’ve seen Sean Clifford throw a bad pass yet. I could tell in first Buffalo game that Saquon was a stud. Some players have it and you can tell early on.Let’s see if I’m right end of season, MacNit07.
Get as snarky as you want, but almost TWO DOZEN players have decided to leave Franklintown in the past ~15 months. Some even left school with no degree, and no real prospect of being drafted. Plus the coach has been acting like a mental patient after losses. At least we got to talk up academics, but I'm pretty sure we are middle of the pack in that nowadays as well. So it's clearly not all sunshine and rainbows, and he shouldn't be receiving any more passes after the next year or two of the same mediocrity.
You think the head football coach at Pennsylvania State University with a 60% blue chip roster is punting on a season??
Yep, he's tanking so that he can really impress the next seasons recruiting class. LOL
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1. Tommy had minimally invasive surgery to get back on the field asap.
2. This procedure was not effective and a more complex surgery had to be performed.
3. TS has recovered but a long, frustrating process in which he is limited.
4. TS feels better and ready to go.....medical staff and trainers advise the coaching staff to continue to limit him and be cautious.....so that he will be 100% in the fall.
5. Clifford is a worthy challenger and grows daily as TS is more or less forced to watch from the sidelines.
6. TS feels that he is being "held back" while his opportunity to win the job is slipping away.
7. Dad and Son decide that they must "call the question" so that TS has "options."
8. Coach stands firm and insists that starter won't be named until camp when both will be at their best.
9. TS has only one option.......
None of this makes Tommy or his Dad bad people. It certainly doesn't reflect badly on James Franklin.
2. This procedure was not effective and a more complex surgery had to be performed.
3. TS has recovered but a long, frustrating process in which he is limited.
4. TS feels better and ready to go.....medical staff and trainers advise the coaching staff to continue to limit him and be cautious.....so that he will be 100% in the fall.
5. Clifford is a worthy challenger and grows daily as TS is more or less forced to watch from the sidelines.
6. TS feels that he is being "held back" while his opportunity to win the job is slipping away.
7. Dad and Son decide that they must "call the question" so that TS has "options."
8. Coach stands firm and insists that starter won't be named until camp when both will be at their best.
9. TS has only one option.......
None of this makes Tommy or his Dad bad people. It certainly doesn't reflect badly on James Franklin.
All that may be true, but his dad could just say "we're not confident Tommy can win the starting job at Penn State, so we're going to go to a school where he can"
Instead he's implying there's some funny business going on
Instead he's implying there's some funny business going on
The more important ability every player must have is availability. It’s an unfortunate situation when injuries rob a player from being available, and more often than not opens the door for an available player to step thru.
Even the Cowboys had to give in the Lee’s lack of availability and draft another stud to compete for his spot in Van der Esch. Then Lee wasn’t available again.
Time and time again this scenario is played out in every sport, every day.
In any event it kinda sucks but TS’s lack of availability cannot be ignored.
Even the Cowboys had to give in the Lee’s lack of availability and draft another stud to compete for his spot in Van der Esch. Then Lee wasn’t available again.
Time and time again this scenario is played out in every sport, every day.
In any event it kinda sucks but TS’s lack of availability cannot be ignored.
https://www.indystar.com/story/spor...ar-tommy-stevens-leave-penn-state/3515837002/
Note the third paragraph
Turns out all it took was a backup quarterback with all of ~30 pass attempts entering the transfer portal to get the “Franklin should be on the #hotseat” people to crawl out of the shadows.
Jarvis Miller - grad transfer, bench player
Ryan Bates - will be drafted
Juwan Johnson - grad transfer,saw his role more limited each week
Brandon Polk - grad transfer, bench player
Sterling Jenkins - grad transfer, bench player
Ayron Monroe - grad transfer, bench player
Miles Sanders - will be drafted
Kevin Givens - will be drafted
Connor McGovern - graduated, will be drafted
Danny Dalton - grad transfer, bench player
Shareef Miller - will be drafted
Alex Gellerstedt - grad transfer, bench player
Dar'len Darien - bench player
Brandon Faison-Walden - bench player
Zech McPhearson - grad transfer, bench player
Isaiah Humphries - too early to tell on him, but he seemed to quickly get passed by other young DBs
So basically you had 3 guys leave who didn't have their degree or aren't expected to be drafted, and at least two of them had limited chances for playing time the rest of their careers.
Stevens isn't stuck.. he would have April, May, June, July, August to show he deserves to start. He knows the system, the players on the team and the coaching staff. He has 4 years of familiarity. He'll give all that up for a place to be determined hoping to pick up the system, get to know his coaching staff, get to know the players on the team and then try to put together one good season in a new place. Perhaps he was told something by Franklin that triggered this. If that happened, I totally understand it. If not, then it just sounds like he's scared he can't win the job. There's no sure thing elsewhere. He could get beat out or his receivers may never be open or he might not have a great tight end or he might get trampled because his left tackle can't block or the offensive scheme might not fit him..
Clifford doesn't start by default.. it's just that if the main competition for the starting job leaves and you were the guys getting all the first team reps, then you have the inside track to be the starter. I think when Stevens does leave, Clifford will be named the starter the first week of camp if not before then. Feels like Clifford's team now. Stevens gave that up.
Seriously, WTF are you babbling about???
Wow, this thread is entertaining.
From what I have read, it all comes down to Tommy and his father wanting the starting job guaranteed. But I don't see that happening for him in any D1 program. And if somehow they find a destination where a QB got hurt this Spring, and there is a big need at QB, there likely will still be a competition. But still, if Tommy starts the first game anywhere, and gets dinged which is his recent history, and the next man up plays great while he is out, Tommy may not get all the PT during 2019.
If he stays at PSU, which now they have said he won't, he would have gotten PT on a national spotlight that would build his NFL resume. PSU looks to have a very good season in 2019, and isn't it easier to look good for a better team? Would Tommy rather start (and would it be better for NFL resume building) for a team like Rutgers that gets their clock cleaned every week than start or possibly share PT at PSU in a system he has down pat? He may accumulate more game film at a low level program, but will that film help him with his NFL pursuit? If he transfers to a lower program, like Flacco did, he'll also have lots of film for the NFL. But at this point, the NFL finds talent where ever it is. Tommy will get his NFL shot even if he spits time his last year.
So I see the decision to leave as personal. That the Stevens family at this point just does not see eye to eye with Franklin, on holding Tommy out of Spring practice, on the open competition, or who knows what. And if that is the case the best thing is for Tommy to move on, and for Franklin to stick to his player and position competition standards. As a PSU fan I hope it works out for both parties.
Interesting look at possible destinations for Tommy:
https://saturdayblitz.com/2019/04/18/penn-state-football-transfer-destinations-tommy-stevens/
Summary of what happened:
https://www.roarlionsroar.com/penn-state-football/2019/04/5462/tommy-stevens-transfer-sean-clifford-james-franklin
From what I have read, it all comes down to Tommy and his father wanting the starting job guaranteed. But I don't see that happening for him in any D1 program. And if somehow they find a destination where a QB got hurt this Spring, and there is a big need at QB, there likely will still be a competition. But still, if Tommy starts the first game anywhere, and gets dinged which is his recent history, and the next man up plays great while he is out, Tommy may not get all the PT during 2019.
If he stays at PSU, which now they have said he won't, he would have gotten PT on a national spotlight that would build his NFL resume. PSU looks to have a very good season in 2019, and isn't it easier to look good for a better team? Would Tommy rather start (and would it be better for NFL resume building) for a team like Rutgers that gets their clock cleaned every week than start or possibly share PT at PSU in a system he has down pat? He may accumulate more game film at a low level program, but will that film help him with his NFL pursuit? If he transfers to a lower program, like Flacco did, he'll also have lots of film for the NFL. But at this point, the NFL finds talent where ever it is. Tommy will get his NFL shot even if he spits time his last year.
So I see the decision to leave as personal. That the Stevens family at this point just does not see eye to eye with Franklin, on holding Tommy out of Spring practice, on the open competition, or who knows what. And if that is the case the best thing is for Tommy to move on, and for Franklin to stick to his player and position competition standards. As a PSU fan I hope it works out for both parties.
Interesting look at possible destinations for Tommy:
https://saturdayblitz.com/2019/04/18/penn-state-football-transfer-destinations-tommy-stevens/
Summary of what happened:
https://www.roarlionsroar.com/penn-state-football/2019/04/5462/tommy-stevens-transfer-sean-clifford-james-franklin
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No more Lion! it only cost PSU the OSU game last year running that garbage, when the offensive was clicking in the 1st half.
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You'll have to fight others who have scores of reasons the coaches and fumbles lost the game.
Well part of the reason, but it did not help that is for sure. Here is wishing Stevens the best at his next stop.
These kids need to stop graduating early then all problems will be solved.
Not a bad summary but I disagree with your #9. Of course he had another option...stay and compete and win the starting job at PSU.
