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Stevens Transfer Portal
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I agree. But we are not in "his shoes." I think Tommy felt he had earned the job over 4 plus years in the system. We can disagree, but I certainly can understand he might have felt that way.
Where is this coming from? The kid suffered ONE injury. It wasn't treated correctly (meaning it didn't heal completely) and he ended up needing additional treatment. He had a bunch of snaps in previous years, ran the ball effectively, ran over lots of people and never even looked slightly bruised. So to call getting dinged up in one game his "history" is truly rewriting actual history.
The naysayers look for things to cry about. The number s are high but they distort them by adding guys like Manny and Irvin Charles who were not even on the team this year. They also count mark allen and Torrance brown who were both hurt which gives them a possible 6th year.
There is turnover every year. This year we had a little more because the last two classes have a lot of talent. The transfer portal opened the floodgates.
The fact is that Tommy has "a ONE injury history." Does anyone really know what it is/was? We are all just speculating. Ankle, foot....achilles, plantar fascia......we just don't know.
Yeah, I just don't see where he's going to be guaranteed a starting job at any good program and he will be at the disadvantage of being the new guy. It's apparently an emotional issue because they felt he should have gotten that guarantee here.
As for the QB situation here, I know his loss means significantly less depth, talent and experience in the QB room. There is a big positive, however, and that is that this takes away all the drama and makes things smoother going into the season. Plus, I like Clifford better. If we're lucky enough that Clifford stays healthy, this is a positive.
As for the QB situation here, I know his loss means significantly less depth, talent and experience in the QB room. There is a big positive, however, and that is that this takes away all the drama and makes things smoother going into the season. Plus, I like Clifford better. If we're lucky enough that Clifford stays healthy, this is a positive.
And one injury often ends a person’s career since they never fully recover or it keeps reoccurring.
Certainly possible. But that doesn't mean the kid has some sort of injury prone history.
Put yourself in their shoes. Franklin said he has a "man crush" on McSorley. Now this might not have been a factor, but if he could say something like that publicly would you then be confident that the next QB decision is going to be free from bias?
If Tommy's chances are 70% by staying but 90% somewhere else, then he should go. That is the sort of assessment that needs to be made, and that cannot wait until the start of next season.
If he leaves with his degree he owes nothing to PSU, not even an explanation.
I'm speculating, but the progression of Levis has probably become a factor, one that was uncertain a year ago. Franklin can now afford to lose Tommy and invest in an underclassman. He has a viable backup. This is not necessarily about progress in Clifford's development. Clifford might have been ready last year.
The problem could come next year, when Levis may have reason for the portal.
I'd prefer we recruit a stud QB every other year, and run an offense that won't get the QB beat up. But as we saw last year, the current offense demands a viable backup, which requires that you play the backup. So in my view something needs to change.
why do you think his chances elsewhere will be 90%?
Which program knows him the best?
Which program does he know the best?
Which program does he know the personnel?
so which program would be the best fit for in reality a 3 month career?
If Clifford is good enough, he'll go to the NFL. He's eligible for the draft next spring (though I'd expect him to play at least two years at PSU). I don't think next year is the concern for Levis. Rather the year after, if he graduates by then.
We went over two years without needing a backup, so I wouldn’t say our offense demands a viable backup anymore than anyone else’s offense.
Name 5 players on the roster with as many TDs as Tommy. How about 3? How about 2?
There were several kids who left in Spring 2018 as well. Regardless of your perception of their relative value to the team, one day they were part of the "family", and the next day not so much. No possible way to positively spin that.
I used those numbers as a hypothetical, i.e., if Tommy and father believe the numbers are higher, perhaps only slightly higher, somewhere else. To stay I believe he needed a guarantee right now, which for the good of the team cannot be made. Obviously Tommy needed data on whether leaving would produce a higher probability. Not using the portal would have excluded getting that data, and probably reduce the odds of getting a starting role. Much of the risk depended on the real Franklin-Stevens family relationship, truly known only to them. From what has become public, it appears the ship has sailed, so this discussion is moot.
What is pertinent now is how Franklin will use the QBs that are left, and the nature of the offense.
You've convinced me that our blocking schemes are flawed, or at least how we handle, or fail to handle, defensive line stunts. Whether Stevens, Clifford, or Levis, their success will largely be driven by the OL. My guess is that none of them are a cut above the others when facing an unblocked rush by the defense. So who gets the starting role may not even become a significant issue relative to overall offensive performance.
I wish Franklin, Rahne, and Limegrover would make changes. We have good players.
I hope he is doing fantastic during the 2019?season. But I am trying to keep my enthusiasm realistically in check. My point was that a hurt Stevens played over Clifford last year. So what changed? Maybe Clifford became Joe Montana over Xmas break (although it did not reveal itself against the mighty Kentucky Wildcats when he saw limited action).
How would Levis know this about Clifford by this time next year, assuming Levis would want more than just one year of playing time?
What's perplexing is some people's notion that any motivation and competition evaporates once a starter is named. Franklin is a great motivator and I suspect even he doesn't believe that.
I doubt Stevens was demanding 100% of snaps at QB regardless of injury status or performance. He was probably looking for assurance for meaningful playing time at QB (eg 'starter') but understanding it would be based on performance.
I suppose both Stevens and Franklin had "business decisions" to make about what's in their respective best interests. Just seems to have lessened that "it's about family" image a bit.
I doubt Stevens was demanding 100% of snaps at QB regardless of injury status or performance. He was probably looking for assurance for meaningful playing time at QB (eg 'starter') but understanding it would be based on performance.
I suppose both Stevens and Franklin had "business decisions" to make about what's in their respective best interests. Just seems to have lessened that "it's about family" image a bit.
What it has to do with Steven is the inconsistency of playing seniors. Stevens was a much better player at his position(s) than Farmer was at his - yet Farmer started 11 games and Stevens is transferring because he apparently is not getting any insurances that the job his his to lose?
You need therapy for Farmer Derangement Syndrome.
Farmer would not start this year or most years. One has nothing to do with the other.
If he graduates by May of 2021, he’d have two years to play. If Clifford turns pro after the 2020 season, Levis has two years to play. If Levis transfers next spring, he’ll sit out a year and have two years to play. See a pattern?
You missed my point. What if Clifford stays and starts through the 2021 season? Doesn't that leave Levis with just one year if he stays? Like the dilemma for Stevens being one year behind McSorley, Levis might not get to know until it's too late.
There are usually growing pains in the first year, so for the best film, career success, and/or draft potential, I would think most QBs would want at least two years. Surely anyone starting for a top B1G team would be considering the possibility of becoming a professional. It's a lot of money to pass up without giving it your best shot, whether probable or unlikely.
I guess Franklin should have promised them all playing time and lied to them and told them all they would start. How dare a coach be honest with players.
I didn't miss your point at all. You said there would be an issue next year and I explained why I didn't think next year would be the issue. Rather the offseason following the 2020 season would be the issue. You missed the point, not me.
This was my original response:
Hasn't he missed time in 2 seasons? And he apparently is not totally healthy now, still recovering from the 2nd surgery on the same issue. It's not his fault that he had to have surgery twice for the same injury and that he was not fully ready to compete this Spring. Also not CJF's either. If he is not 100% ready to go now, and already had 2 surgeries for the same issue, why would CJF hand him the job before he is fully ready?
I wish Tommy and his family the best, and as a fan hoping PSU fields the best team possible wish he would have stayed, gotten healthy and won the PSU 2019 starting QB job. But for PSU, it seems it's time to move on. Great that Clifford got lots of reps this Spring and that Levis also reportedly looks to have progressed as well.
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Question, if Tommy wants to transfer to Ohio State or another opponent are we allowed to block that? He does know our playbook well
I don't recall when he first got injured. But one injury that is taking its time healing properly is not the same as being injury prone.
No. Graduate transfer. Why would he go to OSU and enter competition with another QB? Ain't going to happen.
Who are you quoting that said he is "injury prone"?
He has a recent history of injury. Who knows if that will reoccur or not. But then again, some on here seem to be fortune tellers.......
Your post says this:
I'm reading that as you feel he's fragile and gets "dinged" frequently.
Maybe that's not what you meant. But it's how I took it and I was just pointing out that he hasn't had a history of getting dinged up every game, but rather has one lingering injury.
You were correct.
I was thinking Levis would need to decide next year to get two years, but if he attends summers and graduates after Spring Semester 2021 he could play immediately as a graduate/transfer during the 2021 and 2022 seasons.
Guess I have yet to fully grasp that a 3-year degree through summer schooling is the new normal. With co-op assignments it took me 5 years to get my degree in engineering.
Nope, never said he was fragile or injury prone. One injury or two, he has had two surgeries and is not fully healthy now so moving forward it is conjecture to believe he will be 100% at the start of Fall camp. And a coach that gets paid to win games should be sure his starting QB is fully healthy and ready to win games, which is what I believe CJF is doing.
Will his current injury make him susceptible to further injury to his foot (if that is what was operated on twice)? Who knows. Some injuries do weaken the area or surgery, and some seem that through therapy become stronger than before the injury.
I just believe that CJF is doing what is best for the team and to win games. It would have been a story for the ages if Tommy would have come back and led the 2019 team to the B10 championship in his 5th year and only year as a starter. But if he is unwilling to compete for the job he will not have that opportunity.
A college player decided (or his Father decided) that a transfer is the best thing for him. Good luck. May the Lord be with you.
