Your post is overrated.
Franklin is overrated
Virginia basketball in overrated.
Based on your response i assume you haven't seen that thread.
Stevens Transfer Portal
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Your post is overrated.
Franklin is overrated
Virginia basketball in overrated.
Based on your response i assume you haven't seen that thread.
Exactly! In fact, everyone that isn't GUARANTEED a starting position should enter the portal.
College Football is really starting to suck. If Tommy really wanted to be a star on a Power 5 team that had a half decent chance of going places, he just blew his chance. He knows our offense like the back of his hand. He would have to learn someone else's, and take some snake oil coach's word that he would be the starter after he transfers.
The grass always looks greener in someone else's yard. At least until you get there. Just ask Tate Martell.
Clifford was injured? Wasn’t that the reason that people are saying Tommy should be passed over?
Sean Clifford is the full package at QB— pocket passer, accurate, decisive. As our talent level rises all over, we don’t need a QB that takes off and runs all the time. We need Sean who reminds me of Blackledge, but more athletic with higher ceiling. Having a 3 yr starter with the talent pool here and coming may bring us the chance for National Championship in the next three years. All the best to Tommy and he has to look out for himself.
Here is the bottom line.
TS is not entering the portal this late unless he thought there is a REAL STRONG chance he would not start.
If TS would not start over CF, that means CF is about equal or better than TS, but with more upside being that he still has 3 years to play.
Strictly from a "fans" perspective this speaks highly of SC.
Best of luck to TS is he decides to leave. After putting 4 years in, he has earned the right to try to be somewhere he knows he can play.
Didn't work out bad for Pat Delvin when he went the Delaware route. He collected a couple years worth of NFL pay checks.
TS is not entering the portal this late unless he thought there is a REAL STRONG chance he would not start.
If TS would not start over CF, that means CF is about equal or better than TS, but with more upside being that he still has 3 years to play.
Strictly from a "fans" perspective this speaks highly of SC.
Best of luck to TS is he decides to leave. After putting 4 years in, he has earned the right to try to be somewhere he knows he can play.
Didn't work out bad for Pat Delvin when he went the Delaware route. He collected a couple years worth of NFL pay checks.
Clifford missed a couple games, came back and played while not @ 100%. One of the main reasons he redshirted his 1st year was because of his shoulder injury from HS. The kid played in the Cincy/Dayton area GCL (Greater Catholic League), one of Ohio's best leagues.
I almost didn't open this thread thinking it must be one from last year. I am shocked. From everything Franklin was saying, it seemed TS had the edge. However, I agree that there is no way Franklin was anointing him the starter when he has missed so much time. With so much inexperience on offense, would have thought TS could have been a captain and the starting QB and I guess neither if he wasn't starting. This decision does hurt depth at a key position.
I wish Tommy nothing but the best whatever he decides. Either way he's been a loyal teammate by staying this long. WE ARE.....
Any player that has their feelings hurt over having to compete to see the field can leave yesterday for all I care.......not to mention any player that puts their name in to the portal once .....yet alone twice.......should be sent packing. A player is either all in or they aren't.........buh bye.
He’s got a big time arm. He’s a big kid that’s been in the system a while now. The OOC games are pure crap. I see no reason he shouldn’t be more than serviceable
I was questioning you on how you could classify Trace as atrocious, not if SC will be better or worse than him.
Who Said," Take out your false teeth momma,I want to suck on your gums."?
Answer: Peter Wolf from the J.Geils Band on the live "Full House" album when introducing 'Whammer Jammer' for Magic Dick.
And if he was lied to, then what? Maybe someone else is actually deserving of trash talk in this case? Would 100% validate a certain negative recruiting claim...
Fwiw, about 2/3 of those yards were YAC, or so it seemed.Huh? Haskins was average at best against us (they scored 7 in the first half - thanks Boobie!JK) and didn't start to come alive until late in the second half. One of his worst games of the season (noting it was still decent by most standards). 22/39, 270, 3TDS.
Very very true storming.....but damn it, he hit short pass after short pass after short pass in the 4th quarter with the game on the line. The shorter passes in the flat to a back and certainly the bubble screen passes aren’t that easy.....at least according to PSU’s O over the last five years and our two most recent QBs.
So you're speculating that the Head Coach is a liar based on what the competition says?
Sadly, I do not recall Hack ever completing a screen pass.
Too many facts...don't confuse the argumentative trolls.Kinda' funny - for as much time and bandwidth is spent discussing recruiting - that posters would not be aware that when PSU signed Sean Clifford:
He was not only the most highly coveted and highly ranked QB signed in the CJF era - - but his signing was the only time in the CJF era that PSU landed the guy they actually had pegged as their "1A" prospect at the position.
2014 was, of course, the class CJF had to cobble together at the last minute - - - including that tough kid from Virginia who might make a decent safety
2015 was the year that Wimbush left PSU at the altar, and CJF stole the skinny QB from Indiana (Stevens) - who had been a Hoosier commit
2016 and PSU came up short with Dwayne Haskins and Jarret Guarantano - but signed the kid with the banged up shoulder from up state New York.
2017. For the first time, PSU actually got a verbal commitment from their #1 QB target.... AND managed to sign him. Sean Clifford
2018, and once again PSU saw a highly regarded QB (Justin Fields) make a verbal "commitment", only to flip to another school. PSU would eventually sign an otherwise unknown kid from small school football in Connecticut (Will Levis)
2019 Garrett Shrader decided to follow JoeMo down to Starkville, and King Tut - the QB from Connecticut - chose Clemson.
PSU was relentless in pursuit of QBs, and eventually landed two interesting prospects in Roberson and Johnson.
No one knows how it will all work out.... could go any number of ways.
and, CERTAINLY, at least one of those "less heralded" guys has already had a dynamite career at PSU.
But - for the first time - PSU will be lining up with a QB who was the guy the coaching staff had on the top of their list from the get-go. A guy who was tailor-made for a pass heavy RPO offense - which is why JoeMo recruited him (hell, the kid ran Moorhead's offense while he was in high school).
Unfortunately, JoeMo ain't here anymore - but that's a whole 'nother item.
Given all that, its kinda' funny (though I guess I wouldn't say surprising) that a lot of folks seem to feel it is a catastrophe that that kid - the one they really wanted - now has a clear path to being a multi-year starter at PSU.... assuming he stays healthy and productive.
. I think the staff needs to send a message and not take players back if they enter the portal.
Kinda' funny - for as much time and bandwidth is spent discussing recruiting - that posters would not be aware that when PSU signed Sean Clifford:
He was not only the most highly coveted and highly ranked QB signed in the CJF era - - but his signing was the only time in the CJF era that PSU landed the guy they actually had pegged as their "1A" prospect at the position.
2014 was, of course, the class CJF had to cobble together at the last minute - - - including that tough kid from Virginia who might make a decent safety
2015 was the year that Wimbush left PSU at the altar, and CJF stole the skinny QB from Indiana (Stevens) - who had been a Hoosier commit
2016 and PSU came up short with Dwayne Haskins and Jarret Guarantano - but signed the kid with the banged up shoulder from up state New York.
2017. For the first time, PSU actually got a verbal commitment from their #1 QB target.... AND managed to sign him. Sean Clifford
2018, and once again PSU saw a highly regarded QB (Justin Fields) make a verbal "commitment", only to flip to another school. PSU would eventually sign an otherwise unknown kid from small school football in Connecticut (Will Levis)
2019 Garrett Shrader decided to follow JoeMo down to Starkville, and King Tut - the QB from Connecticut - chose Clemson.
PSU was relentless in pursuit of QBs, and eventually landed two interesting prospects in Roberson and Johnson.
No one knows how it will all work out.... could go any number of ways.
and, CERTAINLY, at least one of those "less heralded" guys has already had a dynamite career at PSU.
But - for the first time - PSU will be lining up with a QB who was the guy the coaching staff had on the top of their list from the get-go. A guy who was tailor-made for a pass heavy RPO offense - which is why JoeMo recruited him (hell, the kid ran Moorhead's offense while he was in high school).
Unfortunately, JoeMo ain't here anymore - but that's a whole 'nother item.
Given all that, its kinda' funny (though I guess I wouldn't say surprising) that a lot of folks seem to feel it is a catastrophe that that kid - the one they really wanted - now has a clear path to being a multi-year starter at PSU.... assuming he stays healthy and productive.
How do you know who is their top target? If you do know then why did you list two qbs in 2016 and 2019?
That is a heck of an assessment based upon a half dozen passes in garbage time. Hope you are right!
In the Pitt and Michigan games, Trace was atrocious. Don’t believe me, watch the tapes. He was so bad that many were questioning if he would/should be pulled - from the line-up, not just the games. Thankfully, he righted the ship. The OOC will tell us nothing on SC.
Cliff can run the ball. I don’t know why you think he’s Hack. Cliff is very athletic and will get positive yardage.
Maybe Stevens doesn’t want to face the reality of possibly being the backup. If Cliff is better, or has shown himself to be better in practices, he should dtart. Same goes for Tommy.
They can leave at any time but the scholly won't always be waiting for them if they want to come back. The grass is not always greener.
If they want freedom that is a two way street.
I haven't seen anybody mention that maybe Tommy feels like he needs another year to heal up and work on starting grad school also? I'm assuming he can do that if he transfers and sits a year? I doubt very much he can sit here a year and not be totally passed over. Everything now is purely speculation till we learn more. That said, it as it stands it makes little sense to me but I thought the same thing when he entered the portal last year. Whatever happens I wish him the best and think we are in very capable hands with Sean
Maybe watching this will make a few of us feel better. This kid has a great arm and touch
Something was said to convince Tommy to stay in Spring 2018, and only he and one other person know what that was.
As long as we can agree that YOU also certainly don't know either way.Or.... not?
My post was simply the other side of the coin to the bullshitters with the "scared of competition" and "he feels entitled" SPECULATION. Why don't you write a fact-based dissertation on why he magnanimously, and without any kind of convincing, agreed to back up Trace last year?
They need to develop a solid offensive line. Not a walking sieve. That is why McSorley had to run so often. He always had a Defender in his face.
Then he'd be injured. The same injured that Stevens has been most of his career
I am not making all assumptions of a glorious future based upon a handful of passes well after a game has been decided. We have a much larger but still small body of work from TS but certainly nothing where Heisman Trophy is predicted.
If you think that in PSU’s offense that a QB injury is unlikely, then you are dreaming. And what about competition? Will Will Levi’s provide it adequately?IF Clifford is the QB who gives PSU the best chance to win (I'm not trying to guess whether he is or isn't, just setting up the hypothetical), then the sooner Stevens leaves the better the situation us for everyone - for numerous reasons (which would be, I think, pretty clear).
One could make a list of potential benefits as long as your arm. Just a few OTTOMH:
1 - Stevens gets a chance to go find a spot where he can play
2 - Stevens, maybe, gets to show enough to get a shot at a $$$ career
3 - Clifford gets 6 months to fully embrace being the leader of the offense, and gets the full(er) attention of the staff to work as the #1 guy
4 - The squad, including the receiving corps, knows who the #1 guy is,,, and there is no split of time and attention to work with a guy all summer, who ain't gonna' be there in the Fall.
5 - No concerns (or at least lesser concerns) for any division on the team/in the locker room vav "who should start"
6- No wasted time - for the staff or the squad - working on any packages/schemes that might have been tailored for Stevens' skill set.
7 - The QB decision conundrum is now settled.... one less thing to occupy the energy and time of the coaching staff.
8 - No possibility of playing the "veteran" for reasons other than ability to lead the team (and no risk of that issue causing consternation on the team)
etc
etc
etc
Again, that is all assuming Clifford is the option that gives PSU the best chance to win.
Whether Clifford is the guy who gives PSU the best chance to win? IDK (though I have my guesses - like most other folks)
The downside of TS leaving now - again, assuming Clifford is the better option at QB?
Pretty much nothing.
Conceivably, and as some have mentioned, less depth in the QB room.
At first blush that rings true - but if Clifford is gonna' be the guy come fall, I surely can't see TS sticking around anyway. So, the sooner the better for all concerned (for a lot of reasons).
Unless TS leaves now - and then Clifford has an accident over the summer..... like breaking his hand "playing volleyball" - yeah, then it would have been nice if TS had stayed.
But that ain't likely to happen (again
We all want SC to succeed. But get a grip. He has a much longer and earlier developed injury history than TS and has not done/proven a single thing in a meaningful game in years. And that does not even touch upon the apparent continued propensity for our receivers to drop everything in sight.
Before yesterday he was unselfish, then he entered the draft portal to possibly give himself a better opportunity, which is the very definition of selfish. So things change.
