Stevens Transfer Portal
- Thread starter PSUoh90
- Start date
Ohio State went from a QB run first offense to a QB who really was a statue in Haskins. I mean he ran the 40 in offensive lineman leaderboard.
Clifford isn’t a statue just because he is pass first. He can and will make plays with his legs when necessary. If Tommy was the clear guy for the job he would have been named the starter. Franklin said he was first string going into winter workouts. Maybe a little credit has to go to Mr. Clifford for taking advantage of the situation and making it too close to name a starter with a guy who has been here for 5 years.
Clifford isn’t a statue just because he is pass first. He can and will make plays with his legs when necessary. If Tommy was the clear guy for the job he would have been named the starter. Franklin said he was first string going into winter workouts. Maybe a little credit has to go to Mr. Clifford for taking advantage of the situation and making it too close to name a starter with a guy who has been here for 5 years.
Not really begrudging him, probably a great guy and we know he is gifted but if reports are correct that an ultimatum was given then how could he be a leader. Teammates are not going to like that.
The thing i truly dislike is the transfer portal under current rules. It gives guys who are so self invested an outlet to cause team chemistry problems.
Someone stated you got to look out for yourself but in an emotional, uninformed state of mind the portal is screwing guys.
This rule stinks, if you don’t start, don’t work hard, just transfer somewhere else
Part of the family ... till they ain't . Just like everywhere else. We are...no different.
He graduated from Penn State. That makes him a Penn Stater for life in my book regardless of where he chooses to attend grad school. This ain't about football. It's about dreams. The kid dreams of playing quarterback. Let the kid pursue his dreams. Who are you to whine about his decision?
A
anon_xdc8rmuek44eq
Guest
So, is he a grad transfer? Or a 'regular' transfer (or does it matter anymore)? Curious because I wonder if he has any interest in going back to Indiana, where he originally committed.
I really wanted to see TS get his year in the sun. Not playing has really hurt him I think. All in on Clifford and 'next man up' but hope TS gets to live his dream somewhere.
Well said. Franklin has said on numerous occasions that he prefers a QB who can run, not a running QB. In other words passing skills are far more important.
He likes a QB who can use his feet, but he doesn’t want Braxton Miller.
He's a grad transfer. Can play this season (his only season of eligibility left).
It's funny how yesterday people thought Tommy was a great guy. Unselfish. Team player. And today he's somehow turned into a selfish, me first guy. Let the kid pursue his dreams. It's his life. Some fans need to look in the mirror and take notice of who is really being selfish.
Most fans of any team -- pro or college -- do not like "free agency." There is a loss of team identity, but whether it helps or hurts team chemistry is a case-by-case issue.
In my view, for kids whose (NFL) future may be dependent on whether they play or sit, this is a good thing for them. It might produce better overall equity among college teams as well. The dilemma is for the coaches. I don't think they'll be able to recruit a top quarterback every year and/or run these "dual threat" offenses without taking considerable risk.
Both Levis and Clifford have looked very good in our limited view. IMHO, so has Stevens, but history has shown that the lone starter gets the vast majority of playing time, whether vastly better, slightly better, or a "toss up" relative to the others.
So we could again see one or two QBs in the portal next year. What does Franklin do then? Does he change the system to provide ultra protection for the QB within a limited QB roster, or does he rotate QB's like other positions to keep more than one happy and ready to go?
In my view, for kids whose (NFL) future may be dependent on whether they play or sit, this is a good thing for them. It might produce better overall equity among college teams as well. The dilemma is for the coaches. I don't think they'll be able to recruit a top quarterback every year and/or run these "dual threat" offenses without taking considerable risk.
Both Levis and Clifford have looked very good in our limited view. IMHO, so has Stevens, but history has shown that the lone starter gets the vast majority of playing time, whether vastly better, slightly better, or a "toss up" relative to the others.
So we could again see one or two QBs in the portal next year. What does Franklin do then? Does he change the system to provide ultra protection for the QB within a limited QB roster, or does he rotate QB's like other positions to keep more than one happy and ready to go?
What rule? Only change from the previous regime is that now a coach can't block a transfer. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think that's a good thing.
I don't think Stevens was expecting to be "annointed" starter simply because he's a senior. I suspect he was looking for some level of assurance given this is his last shot at playing.
Seems to me the "starter" designation is becoming increasingly meaningless these days. Franklin could have stated that Stevens would get the nod, but that Clifford would get time in order to build game experience and depth. Steven's starting would be based on his continued success, thus alleviating all the concerns of complacency and notions that competition ends when starters are named)
Seems to me the "starter" designation is becoming increasingly meaningless these days. Franklin could have stated that Stevens would get the nod, but that Clifford would get time in order to build game experience and depth. Steven's starting would be based on his continued success, thus alleviating all the concerns of complacency and notions that competition ends when starters are named)
If I was Franklin and Rahne, I would be examining tape of the Ohio State offense under Haskins and figure out how to make Clifford that much more dangerous as a throwing threat. Clifford is a good athlete but if he does not have the McSorley legs that we relied upon so much in the past, then the coaches need to make Clifford more dangerous.
Well, if that’s truly the case, it would have been fair for Franklin to tell him that last year, so that he could have moved on with more options. It’s pretty easy for us to sit on this board and give our opinions, but I would like to know what those opinions would be if Tommy were your son?
A
anon_xdc8rmuek44eq
Guest
Huh? Haskins was average at best against us (they scored 7 in the first half - thanks Boobie!
JK) and didn't start to come alive until late in the second half. One of his worst games of the season (noting it was still decent by most standards). 22/39, 270, 3TDS.Not a bad idea, but way above Rahne's pay grade. Also, if they were thinking along those lines, it should have been in the works since January (if not before).
Huh? Haskins was average at best against us (they scored 7 in the first half - thanks Boobie!
Haskins' game against Penn State was one game, and yes you are right, we did contain him for much of the game until the defense got too tired and the coaches didnt adapt the defensive scheme to contain Haskins' dink and dump and screen passes. But Haskins was dangerous this season and a lot of it was coaching and play calling. Penn State's coaches would be foolish not to look at Ohio State's offensive playcalling.
A
anon_xdc8rmuek44eq
Guest
Right - I thought you meant watch our game specifically. Agree - Haskins went bezerk last year and barely had to move.
Sounds exactly like what Franklin was dealing with.
Love it stormin, those are words spoken with experienceYou don't play chicken against the same guy twice
Portal is nothing more than a tool. The rule change that led to "free-agency" was eliminating the ability of coaches to block transfers.
Exactly, this year is a Tommy-Clifford teeam. One will probably have injuries in a few games. We need both. There ya go ....speculators.. that wish to anoint Shawn over Tommy.
I want Tommy to stay, but remember this, Sean Clifford's HS team in was in Ohio's big school division (extremely competitive) and he led them to a state title and he was injured a lot that year. Clifford has moxie. He is no slouch. Sorry to see Tommy make this move, but a player who could not practice/play in bowl and then was barely practicing this Spring; then unable to play in BW game, should not be guaranteed a starting position.
Business or not, can't see how the previous rules that gave coaches virtually complete control over a player's fate could be justified.
Last edited:
Huh? Haskins was average at best against us (they scored 7 in the first half - thanks Boobie!
Well, if he had been PSU’s QB last year no way in hell do we lose four games.....or three games.....and probably not two games.
Stevens threw one of the worst interceptions I've seen vs Michigan.
Absolutely, no question about it. But my response above was in response to Midnighter re: Haskins.
Please. Do we know the details and both sides of the story? Why not withhold the pontification until both parties have spoken?
Why not? Michigan and Ohio State’s transfers get to play immediately....oh wait...
Exactly...and Clifford will start the season with no meaningful snaps? Do you expect him to be better than Trace?
