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Bitchin and moanin about NIL has produced exactly zero portal commits so far for Penn State.

Just sayin.
 
All of this--people just seem resistant to change with this. Is the NIL perfect? No, but there's no reasons kids should have ever been required to stay at a school or sit out in order to transfer. That was done solely to benefit the programs not the kids. Players should have always been able to cash in on their success in college. And this isn't just football. Livvy Dunne has done it better than anyone (who's not related to a HOFer).
Can pro players change teams every year, or are they contractually obligated to the team which is paying them? Why is it any different now that college players are professionals too?
 
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Can pro players change teams every year, or are they contractually obligated to the team which is paying them? Why is it any different now that college players are professionals too?

A scholarship isn't the same as an NFL contract--you realize that, right?
If schools start giving out 4 year contracts that pay NFL type money then I'd agree with you
If you think a scholarship makes the "professional" you're wrong.
 
I understand the frustration. However, limiting a person’s ability to seek a better opportunity is downright un-American and anti capitalist. Coaches bolt from universities in a heart beat as soon as a better deal surfaces. Remember Manny Diaz leaving Temple at the altar as soon as the Miami job became available? Conferences like the BIG and SEC take advantage of their leverage in obtaining billion dollar TV deals on the backs of student-athletes.

When winning or benefiting, no one wants to change the rules. But the moment someone perceives themselves as being behind or losing, they want to change the rules. Competition is a good thing. Seeing players financially benefit after being financially screwed for decades is a welcoming change and truly the capitalist thing to do.
What you call players, I call student athletes. They've hardly been screwed. They've had the best training, experience and exposure money can buy in order to achieve their athletic goals, and they've had every opportunity, including tutors, to fulfill their academic goals.

I don't have a problem with a kid doing a commercial for his home town's Ford dealership. Good for him. The school doesn't have to be involved.

However, when the school is involved, then the obligation, like all obligations in a capitalist society, works both ways. These semi pro athletes are signing a contract, and that contract has to protect the payor too.
 
Whether we, the fans, like it or not, I'd say if you asked the coaches and the players they are fine with the current setup. Coaches don't want stuck with a player who peaked in HS or has no drive to get better. Players seem to like having options and money opportunities.

Everybody's job has gotten harder, but that's the price you pay to play the game.
 
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A scholarship isn't the same as an NFL contract--you realize that, right?
If schools start giving out 4 year contracts that pay NFL type money then I'd agree with you
If you think a scholarship makes the "professional" you're wrong.
The NIL does make them professionals.
 
The price who pays?

The coaches. The players. The schools for never conceding anything prior to NIL becoming a free for all. The same schools and the same type of kids are driving nice vehicles and living the big life while some are worried about return on investment.

Did anyone care about ROI when it was being done under the table?
 
The coaches. The players. The schools for never conceding anything prior to NIL becoming a free for all. The same schools and the same type of kids are driving nice vehicles and living the big life while some are worried about return on investment.

Did anyone care about ROI when it was being done under the table?
How about the fans? If you want to tie this in with capitalism, you had better understand where the money originates. The customer is always right!
 
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How about the fans? If you want to tie this in with capitalism, you had better understand where the money originates. The customer is always right!

Is there some outstanding disdain for all of this from a considerable chunk of the cfb collective audience that I'm missing? TV contracts are at record highs. When the marquee games can't give away tickets to fill a stadium, that's a problem.

Just curious, what about the fans? What are you thinking here.
 
What you call players, I call student athletes. They've hardly been screwed. They've had the best training, experience and exposure money can buy in order to achieve their athletic goals, and they've had every opportunity, including tutors, to fulfill their academic goals.

I don't have a problem with a kid doing a commercial for his home town's Ford dealership. Good for him. The school doesn't have to be involved.

However, when the school is involved, then the obligation, like all obligations in a capitalist society, works both ways. These semi pro athletes are signing a contract, and that contract has to protect the payor too.
See this is living in the past IMO and not accepting the new reality of college football which has been a big business.for years.

No one with a scholarship, including academic, can't transfer
 
See this is living in the past IMO and not accepting the new reality of college football which has been a big business.for years.

No one with a scholarship, including academic, can't transfer
No, it isn't. What I'm trying to do is respect what made CFB great to begin with.

The money we're talking about comes from TV. If you want to keep it fair and transparent, why not just allocate some TV money for every scholarship player in a power five conference? Every kid gets a living wage. He just has prove he's on scholarship at one of those schools. Leave the schools out of it completely.
 
$$$$ Gonna need about $10 mill a year in NIL money. It will be crazy expensive to sign free agents like this.
Nil should go to your successful players first and foremost. Not saying you can't spend it on the portal but you better be careful how it is allocated. Team chemistry is still very important.
 
Actually, I think the NCAA changed the rule on that this year - only one transfer without penalty I believe (although this has all been so dynamic, I'm not positive). Once he officially transfers via the portal, he can't transfer again without losing a year of eligibility (i.e., wouldn't be allowed to play in 2023 if he transfers again and would have to wait until 2024).
So he gets a half mil for taking this season off and doing workouts to get better , plays one season next year and off to NFL as a top ten pick and makes ten mil just on the signing bonus. Smart move by the kid.
 
No, it isn't. What I'm trying to do is respect what made CFB great to begin with.

The money we're talking about comes from TV. If you want to keep it fair and transparent, why not just allocate some TV money for every scholarship player in a power five conference? Every kid gets a living wage. He just has prove he's on scholarship at one of those schools. Leave the schools out of it completely.
Why only a living wage? They bring in countless times that much.

The current process is fine.
 
What you call players, I call student athletes. They've hardly been screwed. They've had the best training, experience and exposure money can buy in order to achieve their athletic goals, and they've had every opportunity, including tutors, to fulfill their academic goals.

I don't have a problem with a kid doing a commercial for his home town's Ford dealership. Good for him. The school doesn't have to be involved.

However, when the school is involved, then the obligation, like all obligations in a capitalist society, works both ways. These semi pro athletes are signing a contract, and that contract has to protect the payor too.

This is where it gets confusing to me.... Many on here act like the school is offering a NIL Contract and accompanying $$$ - they aren't, a private entity is making the offer. I assume the private entity can "condition" the offer including what team the individual is playing for.... (i.e., if the conditions of the contracts aren't met, it invalidates the comtract). Since the private NIL Offer likely requires the player to play for a specific program, I would make the player pay tuition if I were the school (i.e., the private party paying the big money NIL deal pays the tuition - this makes the school more financially healthy).
 
Yep pay him more than all the other DL currently on the roster 🙄 see what happens.
People are being really short sighted about this issue, including the kids. It won't end well!

Wait until you guys buy Franklin a championship and then he leaves for more $$ somewhere and takes the meat of the roster with him. What are you going to say then? You gonna just whip out your checkbook for the next guy?
 
People are being really short sighted about this issue, including the kids. It won't end well!

Wait until you guys buy Franklin a championship and then he leaves for more $$ somewhere and takes the meat of the roster with him. What are you going to say then? You gonna just whip out your checkbook for the next guy?
So just ignore NIL and lose so Franklin stays?
 
I have a feeling this is the big impact NIL is going to have on CFB. I don't see large sums of NIL $$$ being offered for unproven HS Players, but proven freshman will command significant NIL offers.

What's confusing to me regarding this situation are the rules surrounding existing college players being given NIL offers. I know Programs are not permitted to contact a player until they enter the portal, but does this rule apply to private individuals making potential NIL Offers to a player? A private person could condition the offer on playing for his "primary market" team.
I think you are spot on with this. I believe that could be happening already for sure
 
People are being really short sighted about this issue, including the kids. It won't end well!

Wait until you guys buy Franklin a championship and then he leaves for more $$ somewhere and takes the meat of the roster with him. What are you going to say then? You gonna just whip out your checkbook for the next guy?
The fans that want to be the highest bidder for guys like this have never managed a locker room.
 
Our 2024 recruiting class is ranked #6 in the nation, 2025 recruiting class is ranked #3. And our starting ranking this season should be somewhere around #5. Damn we are so screwed.
What difference does that make? Those kids could all be gone by the time they're ready to win a championship.
 
Then how come they keep getting outbid?
The SEC has been giving more than that for decades. Where have you been? I had a very close friend who was coaching at Auburn (not football).....when Joe Cribbs went to the NFL the joke being told there was he took a cut when he went to Buffalo.
 
Why? Are contracts only valid if they are for $millions?
They compared it to the NFL--that was their mistake
All programs provide a scholarship so it's about what else you provide. A scholarship means nothing in the grand scheme of things in terms of compensation when you see what Penn State makes a year off the football program and those players--again, reality.
 
It's not 8 of 85...that's pretending they all leave college the same time. It's also ignoring those that signed as UDFAs or played in other pro leagues. And I said 90-95% GO TO COLLEGE WITH THE INTENT TO PLAY PRO BALL.

You're better than this.
AND THAT’S WAY TOO HIGH.

I would say you’re better than this, but you’re not.
 
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All of this--people just seem resistant to change with this. Is the NIL perfect? No, but there's no reasons kids should have ever been required to stay at a school or sit out in order to transfer. That was done solely to benefit the programs not the kids. Players should have always been able to cash in on their success in college. And this isn't just football. Livvy Dunne has done it better than anyone (who's not related to a HOFer).
High school kids have to sit out a year….schools should be able to have rules that students have to follow, whether they play sports or not. If they don’t want to play, they don’t have to.
 
I understand the frustration. However, limiting a person’s ability to seek a better opportunity is downright un-American and anti capitalist. Coaches bolt from universities in a heart beat as soon as a better deal surfaces. Remember Manny Diaz leaving Temple at the altar as soon as the Miami job became available? Conferences like the BIG and SEC take advantage of their leverage in obtaining billion dollar TV deals on the backs of student-athletes.

When winning or benefiting, no one wants to change the rules. But the moment someone perceives themselves as being behind or losing, they want to change the rules. Competition is a good thing. Seeing players financially benefit after being financially screwed for decades is a welcoming change and truly the capitalist thing to do.
The players always benefitted financially especially the last 10 years or so. The days of college athletes starving and being broke were over long before NIL.
 
High school kids have to sit out a year….schools should be able to have rules that students have to follow, whether they play sports or not. If they don’t want to play, they don’t have to.
In High School re they bringing in millions and millions for their high school?
Can normal student not transfer any time they want without penalty?
 
The players always benefitted financially especially the last 10 years or so. The days of college athletes starving and being broke were over long before NIL.
It's not about being broke--it's about earning what you're bringing to the program
 
It's not about being broke--it's about earning what you're bringing to the program
They’re not bringing it in, the university name is bringing it in….that’s why fans keep following the team even after the players leave. Make it about academics for all schools, and the fans will still support the teams.
 
In High School re they bringing in millions and millions for their high school?
Can normal student not transfer any time they want without penalty?
Normal students can’t always transfer without penalty (lost credits for example) and they can’t transfer without penalty if they’re on academic scholarship.
 
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