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Guns you have become internet message board toxic waste. A true EPA reclamation project 20 years from now. You present as an engaged guy but the urge to threadjack has become downright MK like. The other guys on this thread have a lot to offer. Maybe let them have a little space? Thanks bro.

Just another attack from just another poster who is obsessed with my posts.

I've posted my thoughts and I have a few posters who are obsessed with hating, and they pile on. That's it. It sure as hell isn't anyone on this board who "has a lot to offer" as you will notice, it's NOT the main posters on this board who are closest to the program. It's the haters. If YOU can't see that, they YOU are one of them.
 
Flow would know better than me, but if comparing Suriano vs Cruz alone the head to head is 25-0. Just how do you parse out head to head with 30+ wrestlers? Seems it would be head to head or head to head for all wrestlers not this selective lets only look at these 3 wresttlers. Not that it matters since it's doubtful Suriano goes based on Bigs.

Something in those numbers tells me Dance 2, Suriano 3, Cruz 4.
 
Not obsessed. Tired of the drudgery. Don't flatter yourself.

The drudgery ain't me. It's about 3 people who post attacks and act like 7 year olds after I post. I handle the business after that. Not one time have I started one single back and forth.
 
Flow would know better than me, but if comparing Suriano vs Cruz alone the head to head is 25-0. Just how do you parse out head to head with 30+ wrestlers? Seems it would be head to head or head to head for all wrestlers not this selective lets only look at these 3 wresttlers. Not that it matters since it's doubtful Suriano goes based on Bigs.
Just a guess here, but this is probably a bit of an iterative process.

In the first pass, "H2H" for the entire field = record against all qualifiers.

If some guys are clustered very tightly together, might be worth running a subset run for them -- like what Flo did.
 
One very big and obvious problem with Flo's method -- they did not consistently apply points the same way in each category.

Namely: H2H, max 25 pts -- they split the 25 pts, 12.5 for Nick, 12.5 for Cruz.

All other categories, they normalized so that the category winner got full value.

If they did that for H2H, then Nick blasts past Dance.

This is like an erratic freeway driver -- don't care which lane you pick, just stop drifting, pick one lane and stay in it.
 
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One very big and obvious problem with Flo's method -- they did not consistently apply points the same way in each category.

Namely: H2H, max 25 pts -- they split the 25 pts, 12.5 for Nick, 12.5 for Cruz.

All other categories, they normalized so that the category winner got full value.

If they did that for H2H, then Nick blasts past Dance.

This is like an erratic freeway driver -- don't care which lane you pick, just stop drifting, pick one lane and stay in it.

Next board meeting, we need a conference call to see when we get put on Flo payroll. Im pretty sure when listening to FRL our hard work is getting them clicks.
 
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There are at least 10 posters on here who blow Flo into the water on wrestling knowledge, and that is CONSERVATIVE.
 
I've personally seen Nick today, he was not limping at all. Not favoring his ankle. I believe he will be 100% at ST Louis.

Oh boy! You should have posted 10 to 20 times on the McAndrew board before posting this for your own sanity. This will go over like a fart in church.

PS- Nice intel by the way, next time we need pics or a tweet.
 
BTW, Flo's H2H methodology also makes sense ONLY if counting just wins, not losses.

H2H in the group: Nick 1-0, Cruz 1-1, Dance 0-1.

So if W-L record is the criterion, then pts should be Nick 25, Cruz 12.5, Dance 0.0.
 
The drudgery ain't me. It's about 3 people who post attacks and act like 7 year olds after I post. I handle the business after that. Not one time have I started one single back and forth.

The feeling is that he can't go, and even if he does, he won't be effective. That's natural. I can understand the drop.
Whos feeling?
 
I've personally seen Nick today, he was not limping at all. Not favoring his ankle. I believe he will be 100% at ST Louis.

I tried to post a video earlier that clearly showed he was not "limping" at B1Gs (looked like he was walking perfectly fine as he left the mat), but was quickly lectured about how he could barely walk despite what the video clearly showed. Some of the people on here want to act like they know far more than they do.....sad really. The lack of severe swelling or contusions would suggest a fairly minor sprain which would agree with what you are reporting (often times there is pain for a couple days when the immobilization device is removed, but that goes away as the ankle is used again). Personally I think the chances that Nick can go at NCAAs are far higher than people are reporting on here given that he wasn't on crutches and his mobility at B1Gs (far more mobile than some have described on here).
 
I've personally seen Nick today, he was not limping at all. Not favoring his ankle. I believe he will be 100% at ST Louis.
Oh boy! You should have posted 10 to 20 times on the McAndrew board before posting this for your own sanity. This will go over like a fart in church.

PS- Nice intel by the way, next time we need pics or a tweet.

I've been joking about Keyser Soze, but if this really does turn out to be true ...

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Next board meeting, we need a conference call to see when we get put on Flo payroll. Im pretty sure when listening to FRL our hard work is getting them clicks.
To add to what roar said it just seemed arbitrary. I can understand creating a ledger 1-32(33) based on factors other than head to head and common opponents. You then adjust up and down the ladder based on those criteria. Otherwise picking a grouping of 3, 4, 5 wrestlers to lump together is arbitrary, isn't it?
 
I've been joking about Keyser Soze, but if this really does turn out to be true ...

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It would mean Cael is as skilled a Troll as he is a folk style wrestler (I.e. The GOAT). Major rope a dope and then we bring the hammer down on Thursday.
 
I tried to post a video earlier that clearly showed he was not "limping" at B1Gs (looked like he was walking perfectly fine as he left the mat), but was quickly lectured about how he could barely walk despite what the video clearly showed. Some of the people on here want to act like they know far more than they do.....sad really. The lack of severe swelling or contusions would suggest a fairly minor sprain which would agree with what you are reporting (often times there is pain for a couple days when the immobilization device is removed, but that goes away as the ankle is used again). Personally I think the chances that Nick can go at NCAAs are far higher than people are reporting on here given that he wasn't on crutches and his mobility at B1Gs (far more mobile than some have described on here).

when the line from vegas comes out we'll get a good idea. they will know-somehow.
 
Talk to the boss and lets do April in Austin. not to be confused with debbie in dallas.
Dammit, I was in Killeen in December. (I was also on a business trip, sick, and beyond fatigued from being in Bangkok the day before, but whatever.)
 
Was at practice and took some notes.
-Usually Suriano is teching or pinning Megaludis. But since his minor injury, he stll beats Nico, just by a major now. Ankles at 99%, though did see Suriano squatting over 500 pounds and doing calve raises with Nevils on his shoulders.

-Even though Law did not qualify, you should see him tossing Conaway around like a rag doll. This kid could start any other D1 school. Total BS he did not make the big dance.

- Jimmy is on fire!!! Man wait til you see him at NCAA's. He is definitely the strongest 141 pounder in college. This was his 5 year plan, to fool everyone until his final NCAA tournament. If you were paying attention he gave us a glimpse when he did pin Heil 5 times in one match!

- Zain is destroying Molinaro in the room, actually its so bad Frank is thinking of quitting and switching to a powerlifting career. Frank even refuses to take bottom and argues with the coaches when they try and convince him to.

-Nolf actually just does stance and motion most of practice. NO ONE will wrestle him. Cunningham used to from what I hear, but he told me he wants to be healthy to see his kids grow up and wrestle.

- Oh man wait til you see what Cenzo does to Imar in thw semis or finals! I am telling you he will pin and destroy Imar. After seeing him train, i seriously think it be better if Imar just med default out of their match. Not a fan of Imar, but i want to see him healthy for next season.

- Mark Hall is going to be a 4 time national champ! Guarantee it! Cael has him wrestle Rasheed and Morelli at the same time! And yet Hall still toys with them. Crazy he spladled both of them at the same time.

- Bo is beating and humiliating Taylor so bad right now. You gotta see DT crying to Kendra after the workout. He is like babbling stuff like BUT I JUST BEAT TWO OLYMPIC GOLD MEDALISTS!!! I am telling you he is going to pin everyone at NCAA's including Dean!

-I only saw half a workout with Cutch. After hammering Mcintosh all over the mat, Morgan packed his bags and told Cael he is going back to California.

-Nevils practiced with two gold medals around his neck. Cael and Varner gave them to Nick cause they felt so unworthy just being on the same mat as Mr. Nevils. After NCAA's I guarantee you Snyder will give his gold medal to Nick also.

Anyway that was a quick rundown what i saw. I GUARANTEE YOU PSU IS 2017 NCAA CHAMPS!!!!!!

JT...good stuff.
 
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21 - I respect your opinion and agree that we will have an uphill climb to win if we only have 7 point scorers, but we have 9 guys qualified and wrestling next week. To discount both Guilibon and Suriano seems short-sighted to me. I find it hard to believe that we can't get 2-3 wins out of the two of them in a worst case scenario. OSU is going to have a bunch of tough toss up quarter final matches and don't see a lock for finals as solid as Zain/Nolf or Nato/Snyder. I also don't think tOSU has 4 "locks". 1 in Snyder - Nato's performance at Big10s and the depth of quality at 133 doesn't make him a lock in "my" mind, but I'll grant you he's got better shot than anyone at that weight. Who are the other "locks"? BoJo? He's already lost to his probable Semi final match in Realbuto, Moore? He's lost twice to his probable semi match in Pfarr, Micah? He's lost to all three of his probable semi match in Zain/Collica. IF we only have 7 point scorers THEN we will need all out 7 to perform to seed or better to win. I think your pessimism and certainty in this discussion is what's off putting - my two cents
 
I think what will be needed for a title, will be a Low AA, anywhere from 5th to 8th. That's what I am hoping for.

You need 8 scoring wrestlers to win a title.

Now, IF he can't go, then we'll need a great tournament from Gulibon.

Pretty simple really, bonus points equals wrestler number 8.... feel better now?
 
Guns you have become internet message board toxic waste. A true EPA reclamation project 20 years from now. You present as an engaged guy but the urge to threadjack has become downright MK like. The other guys on this thread have a lot to offer. Maybe let them have a little space? Thanks bro.
I had to put him on ignore. It works really well, REALLY WELL!
 
Not winning Bigs is not an indicator of NCAAs. I don't think the biggest threat to you guys is tOSU...I think it's OSU.

TOSU has one automatic in Snyder. I think NATO, Bo, Mickey, MyMar, can be beat in the quarters or semis. Would not be surprised to see an early upset of Bo, Mickey, or MyMar. 197 is an awfully weak weight class so their guy is going to finish top 4.

Okie State has no automatics. Heil plays it close sometimes and is going to get burned one of these days. Love their 33 and think he is a top 4.

125 Picc: 5-8
133 Kid Brock: 4-6
141-Heil: 1-4
149-Collica:4-6
157-Smith 5-8
165-Rogers:This guy worries me...could get on a pinning spree and finish top 4 or could go Rd of 12
174-Crutchmer:Rd of 12
184-Boyd:4-8
197-Weigel:7-8
HWY:Schafer:7-8

If Crutchmer and Rogers overperform and the other guys perform to chalk, then OSU wins if Suriano can't go. OSU has a history of stepping up with worse teams than this. Okie State=Iowa if we had a few more horses.

I think PSU wins on the strength of Guilbon, Cenzo, and Cutch. If Cenzo pull a holy hell and makes it to the finals, Cutch gets top 4 and JG gets to Rd of 12, it's yours. Not a lot of room for error here. If your guys overperform and you get 4-5 finalists, then that's the ball game depending on Cutch AA's and Guilbon does well. If Hall makes it, then I think he wins it because Valencia is the best wrestler he will have to face...also a better match up for him. I don't think Bo beats Dean but stranger things have happened.

125:?
133:No Points
141:Anywhere from 0-2 to Rd of 12.
149: 1
157: 1
165: 3-6 (Could be a finalist)
174: 3-5 (Could be a finalist)
184: 2-4 (Could be a finalist)
197:5-8
HWY: 4-6
 
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