The BOT Gift That Keeps on Giving…

[WHCANole]

You are starting to concede an awful lot of points, it's not a good look for you. But on the plus side, your refusal to actually defend your conspiracy theories with facts does just reinforce the fact that you are simply here to troll.

So you saying I concede means that I concede? ROFL I must be making good progress then. BTW the conspiracy theories are those advanced by truthers who will not accept the facts determined by Freeh and Courts of Law.

There was no brand to protect, it was a Second Mile issue. Penn State was known for doing the right thing, if they had known, turning him in was protecting the brand.

Yes there was indeed and it was not a TSM issue, it was a PSU issue as the crime occurred on PSU's campus witnessed by PSU employees. Turning him in would've opened up 1998 where PSU was told by a licensed Psychologist that Jerry was a likely pedophile. While turning him in then might have cost them their jobs (CSS) it would have saved them jailtime. That brand cost them a lot.

As I have explained before, and provided proof of, he was not.

He was and you have offered no such proof I accept your concession

I accept your concession on this point.

But I didn't offer it

A press release from the BOT trying to CYA in the middle of shitstorm is not relevant. What a BOT member said under oath is all that matters.

That's just your opinion because it suits your narrative. Paterno was fired for cause for a leadership failure. "While Coach Paterno did his legal duty by reporting that information the next day, Sunday, March 3, to his immediate superior, the then Penn State Athletic Director Tim Curley, the Board reasonably inferred that he did not call police," said the report explaining Paterno's firing. "We determined that his decision to do his minimum legal duty and not to do more to follow up constituted a failure of leadership by Coach Paterno." That was in March 2012, well after the furor of November 2011.

I accept your concession on this point.

Your "concession" account is overdrawn I'm afraid Lol

Already provided and explained, the name is irrelevant. It was written on a draft report by a team member. Cue your conspiracy theories....

So, you don't know who wrote it or the context of it? Cool. BTW that has already explained by Freeh. Try again.

I've seen the email, you are wrong.

No I'm not

I accept your concession on this point.

Are you going to declare victory and go home?

Nope, you provide the text if you think it's there.

Already done I think you need to read it and the Freeh report again.

Step 1, provide a link to this information. If you can accomplish that, then try to explain why the report was correct about this, yet otherwise a flaming pile of garbage, just another in a long line of Freeh failures.

I don't think you read the links I post so I'll let you look it up. Once again. You said CSS never met on the 2001 incident and they met twice. I gave you the dates so I'll accept your concession

"I don't know what you would call it."

"some inappropriate sexual activity was going on"

Sarcasm not a strength for you?

Lol

"I don't know what you would call it."

"some inappropriate sexual activity was going on"

Can't refute it? I accept your concession on this point.

Already did, and you couldn't refute what I posted. I accept your concession on this point.

Well then read it slower. I accept your concession on this point.

The fact that you don't understand why it's relevant tells us all we need to know about you.

All PSU knew in 1998 was that he was falsely accused.

No, Chambers told them in writing he was a likely pedophile.

TSM and PSU knew the exact same info in 2001, to believe otherwise crazy.

No, in 2001 they had an adult third party witness. MM reported CSA as evidenced by Joe's testimony. To believe otherwise is delusional.

JVP (and by extension the others) was not fired for cause, as evidenced by the quote from Ken Frazer under oath.

The BOT released a public statement that said Joe was fired for leadership failure in March 2012. "While Coach Paterno did his legal duty by reporting that information the next day, Sunday, March 3, to his immediate superior, the then Penn State Athletic Director Tim Curley, the Board reasonably inferred that he did not call police," said the report explaining Paterno's firing. "We determined that his decision to do his minimum legal duty and not to do more to follow up constituted a failure of leadership by Coach Paterno."

People take plea deals all the time when they aren't guilty. OJ was found not guilty. don't know how many times I have to explain it to you. I am speaking with facts, and your opinion is not nice.

But that wasn't the case here. OJ was tried and didn't take a plea. I think you are mixed up on that.

There is nothing conspiratorial about an observation of reality. I see you don't try to refute it.

Watching you not understand simple things can be!

Well then maybe you should be focused on the authorities how ignored this alleged report and cleared Sandusky? See, this goes back to you not shining the spotlight on those who actually failed.

But those organizations had info withheld from them by PSU and CSS. Chambers report, MM's report of CSA, emails etc. They can't be blamed for PSU withholding that information that might have stopped Sandusky.

I see you don't understand how time works.

I know what guilty means or are we back to OJ?

The report MM gave to PSU had no actionable information.

It was CSA, Joe Paterno corroborated it.

Yes, what you are doing is called gaslighting. It "ain't" working.

"I don't know what you would call it."

"it was a sexual nature"

Not true, already explained this to you.

I accept your concession

Also not true, they passed MM's report of horseplay on to Schultz (outside the AD) and Raykovitz (outside PSU).

MM never reported horseplay. Both Curley and Schultz said so. Curley conducted the inquiries (in contravention of the policy and then consulted with Joe about whether to report Sandusky also against the policy) and Raykovitz was given no actionable information. I thought you knew this case.

Repeating something doesn't make it true.

I noticed you do repeat yourself therefore I accept your concession

 

[joeaubie21]

So you saying I concede means that I concede? ROFL I must be making good progress then.

Yes there was indeed and it was not a TSM issue. Turning him in would've opened up 1998 where PSU was told by a licensed Psychologist that Jerry was a likely pedophile. While turning him in then might have cost them their jobs (CSS) it would have saved them jailtime. That brand cost a lot.

He was and you have offered no such proof I accept your concession

But I didn't offer it

that's just your opinion because it suits your narrative. Paterno was fired for cause for a leadership failure. "While Coach Paterno did his legal duty by reporting that information the next day, Sunday, March 3, to his immediate superior, the then Penn State Athletic Director Tim Curley, the Board reasonably inferred that he did not call police," said the report explaining Paterno's firing. "We determined that his decision to do his minimum legal duty and not to do more to follow up constituted a failure of leadership by Coach Paterno."

Your "concession" account is overdrawn I'm afraid Lol

already explained by Freeh. Try again.

No I'm not

I think this is laziness. Are you going to declare victory and go home?

Already done I think you need to read it and the Freeh report again.

I don't think you read the links I post so I'll let you look it up. Once again. You said CSS never met on the 2001 incident and they met twice. I gave you the dates so I'll accept your concession

"some inappropriate sexual activity was going on"

Lol

"some inappropriate sexual activity was going on"

No, Chambers told them in writing he was a likely pedophile

MM reported CSA as evidenced by Joe's testimony. To believe otherwise is delusional.

The BOT released a public statement that said Joe was fired for leadership failure in March 2012. "While Coach Paterno did his legal duty by reporting that information the next day, Sunday, March 3, to his immediate superior, the then Penn State Athletic Director Tim Curley, the Board reasonably inferred that he did not call police," said the report explaining Paterno's firing. "We determined that his decision to do his minimum legal duty and not to do more to follow up constituted a failure of leadership by Coach Paterno."

But that wasn't the case here. OJ was tried and didn't take a plea. I think you are mixed up on that.



But those organizations had info withheld from them by PSU and CSS. Chambers report, MM's report of CSA, emails etc.

I know what guilty means or are we back to OJ?

It was CSA

"it was a sexual nature"

I accept your concession

MM never reported horseplay. Both Curley and Schultz said so. Curley conducted the inquiries (in contravention of the policy and then consulted with Joe about not to report Sandusky) and Raykovitz was given no actionable information. I thought you knew this case.

I accept your concession

Mbe34

 

[pandaczar12]

So you saying I concede means that I concede? ROFL I must be making good progress then.

No, you refusing to provide to respond to challenges means you concede.

BTW the conspiracy theories are those advanced by truthers who will not accept the facts determined by Freeh and Courts of Law.

It's laughable that you accept Freeh's highly flawed PSU report and history of failure as "truth". You are the one not accepting what happened in a court of law. Paterno was never charged. No PSU employee was found guilty of a coverup. The jury foreman on Spanier's misdemeanor is on the record saying it was a mistake.

Yes there was indeed and it was not a TSM issue, it was a PSU issue as the crime occurred on PSU's campus witnessed by PSU employees. Turning him in would've opened up 1998 where PSU was told by a licensed Psychologist that Jerry was a likely pedophile. While turning him in then might have cost them their jobs (CSS) it would have saved them jailtime. That brand cost them a lot.

No crime occurred on Penn State's campus, this is according to victim #2. PSU was told in 1998 that Jerry was falsely accused. Why do you ignore these facts? If they had been told of a crime, which they obviously weren't, turning him in would have only bolstered their image.

He was and you have offered no such proof I accept your concession

If you refuse to refute my proof, i accept your concession.

But I didn't offer it

But you did. You should look up the difference between explicit and implicit.

That's just your opinion because it suits your narrative. Paterno was fired for cause for a leadership failure. "While Coach Paterno did his legal duty by reporting that information the next day, Sunday, March 3, to his immediate superior, the then Penn State Athletic Director Tim Curley, the Board reasonably inferred that he did not call police," said the report explaining Paterno's firing. "We determined that his decision to do his minimum legal duty and not to do more to follow up constituted a failure of leadership by Coach Paterno." That was in March 2012, well after the furor of November 2011.

It's my opinion because it's documented fact. It's funny how you try to project your behavior on me. You keep on ignoring what was said under oath, and believing in unicorns.

Your "concession" account is overdrawn I'm afraid Lol

I can't help you keep filling up the bank. It's kinda funny how you will respond to tell you haven't conceded a point, yet not actually respond to what you've been called out on. When all you have to do to really prove you haven't conceded the point is to respond to the point.

So, you don't know who wrote it or the context of it? Cool. BTW that has already explained by Freeh. Try again.

Someone on Freeh's team, in context to the Freeh reports conclusions not being supported by the report. That was easy. Try again.

No I'm not

I accept your concession on this point.

Are you going to declare victory and go home?

While I've obviously obtained victory many posts ago, now I'm just having fun. So I'm not going anyway.

Already done I think you need to read it and the Freeh report again.

I accept your concession on this point.

I don't think you read the links I post so I'll let you look it up. Once again. You said CSS never met on the 2001 incident and they met twice. I gave you the dates so I'll accept your concession

No link? No explanation? I accept your concession on this point.

"some inappropriate sexual activity was going on"

"I don't know what you would call it."

Lol

I guess we are in agreement!

"some inappropriate sexual activity was going on"

"I don't know what you would call it."

No, Chambers told them in writing he was a likely pedophile.

Wow, you avoided responding to a lot of points in this reply. So I accept your concession on those points.

As for 1998, PSU knew he was officially cleared, that is all that matters.

No, in 2001 they had an adult third party witness. MM reported CSA as evidenced by Joe's testimony. To believe otherwise is delusional.

Wrong again. To believe otherwise is delusional. Think about what you believe and how crazy it sounds. You believe that MM witnessed CSA, didn't stop it, didn't call the police. He went home, didn't tell his dad or Dranov about CSA. Then despite claiming he told Joe a watered down version, you think he conveyed a serious crime to Paterno, who despite having a long history of doing the right thing, and not particularly liking Jerry, decided to cover it up by immediately getting his superiors involved. Then C/S/S decided to engage in the coverup, and talk about it on state owned email servers, but not offer MM any bribes for his silence, and then let TSM in on the coverup by telling them a watered down version.?

Or the Occam's razor version: He didn't witness CSA, which is why he didn't tell anyone about CSA, including his dad, Dranov, Paterno, Curley, Schultz. Which is why Spanier didn't hear about it, and why PSU didn't tell TSM about it, and why Victim #2 claimed no CSA occurred.

The BOT released a public statement that said Joe was fired for leadership failure in March 2012. "While Coach Paterno did his legal duty by reporting that information the next day, Sunday, March 3, to his immediate superior, the then Penn State Athletic Director Tim Curley, the Board reasonably inferred that he did not call police," said the report explaining Paterno's firing. "We determined that his decision to do his minimum legal duty and not to do more to follow up constituted a failure of leadership by Coach Paterno."

A statement that was contradicted once under oath. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

But that wasn't the case here. OJ was tried and didn't take a plea. I think you are mixed up on that.

Spanier didn't take a plea deal.

I accept your concession on this point.

But those organizations had info withheld from them by PSU and CSS. Chambers report, MM's report of CSA, emails etc. They can't be blamed for PSU withholding that information that might have stopped Sandusky.

You live in a fantasy world. PSU knew that Jerry was cleared in 1998, and received no report of CSA in 2001.

I know what guilty means or are we back to OJ?

I guess you don't understand how time works. I guess you expect people in 1998 to be able to know what will happen over a decade later?

It was CSA, Joe Paterno corroborated it.

No he didn't.

"it was a sexual nature"

Why don't you post the link to the audio of Joe saying this odd statement that looks like it was missing a question mark, and followed by "I don't know what you would call it."

I accept your concession

Not going to refute what I already explained to you? I accept your concession on this point.

MM never reported horseplay. Both Curley and Schultz said so. Curley conducted the inquiries (in contravention of the policy and then consulted with Joe about whether to report Sandusky also against the policy) and Raykovitz was given no actionable information. I thought you knew this case.

Nothing you wrote here is correct. I thought you knew this case?

I noticed you do repeat yourself therefore I accept your concession

If you would actually respond instead of just conceding so many points, I wouldn't have to repeat myself.

That was fun! Have a great and safe holiday, maybe visit some family and spend some time in reality, instead of visiting this and whatever other sites you visit to try and advance your crazy conspiracy theories. I'm sure you've just about got us round earthers convinced!

 

[WHCANole]

No, you refusing to provide to respond to challenges means you concede.

You have an interesting type of argumentation. You post incorrect assertions, which I promptly refute then say you accept my concession. ROFL Well, ok I guess that is one way to believe you have won an argument but it's kinda delusional.

It's laughable that you accept Freeh's highly flawed PSU report and history of failure as "truth". You are the one not accepting what happened in a court of law. Paterno was never charged. No PSU employee was found guilty of a coverup. The jury foreman on Spanier's misdemeanor is on the record saying it was a mistake.

The foreman of the jury said there was a coverup. So did the other juror that talked to the press. Paterno was dead before all the evidence of coverup was found. The convictions validate Freeh's report.

No crime occurred on Penn State's campus, this is according to victim #2. PSU was told in 1998 that Jerry was falsely accused. Why do you ignore these facts? If they had been told of a crime, which they obviously weren't, turning him in would have only bolstered their image.

But according to a court of law two crimes were committed there. Victims 2 and 5. Why do you ignore these facts? Turning in Sandusky would have cost them their jobs in 2001 when the public found out about 1998. Why do you ignore that?

If you refuse to refute my proof, i accept your concession.

I refuted all your assertions (which have no proof)

But you did. You should look up the difference between explicit and implicit.

I have conceded only in your mind.

It's my opinion because it's documented fact. It's funny how you try to project your behavior on me. You keep on ignoring what was said under oath, and believing in unicorns.

Nope

I can't help you keep filling up the bank. It's kinda funny how you will respond to tell you haven't conceded a point, yet not actually respond to what you've been called out on. When all you have to do to really prove you haven't conceded the point is to respond to the point.

I've responded and refuted your points.

Someone on Freeh's team, in context to the Freeh reports conclusions not being supported by the report. That was easy. Try again.

You don't know that. I think this sounds conspiratorial. Why haven't these dissenters come forward? ROFL

I accept your concession on this point.

As you do

While I've obviously obtained victory many posts ago, now I'm just having fun. So I'm not going anyway.

So can you list all the points I've conceded so I can refute them....again. I'm enjoying this too.

I accept your concession on this point.

Of course

No link? No explanation? I accept your concession on this point.

Yet again

"I don't know what you would call it."

"here was some inappropriate sexual activity going on."

I guess we are in agreement!

"I don't know what you would call it."

"there was some inappropriate sexual activity going on.'

Wow, you avoided responding to a lot of points in this reply. So I accept your concession on those points.

As for 1998, PSU knew he was officially cleared, that is all that matters.

Except for Dr. Chambers report

Wrong again. To believe otherwise is delusional. Think about what you believe and how crazy it sounds. You believe that MM witnessed CSA, didn't stop it, didn't call the police. He went home, didn't tell his dad or Dranov about CSA. Then despite claiming he told Joe a watered down version, you think he conveyed a serious crime to Paterno, who despite having a long history of doing the right thing, and not particularly liking Jerry, decided to cover it up by immediately getting his superiors involved. Then C/S/S decided to engage in the coverup, and talk about it on state owned email servers, but not offer MM any bribes for his silence, and then let TSM in on the coverup by telling them a watered down version.?

Well I think you are believing too much in conspiracy theories and that is the problem. MM witnessed CSA from a very popular and powerful member of the PSU family (think Bishop from the church) and was stunned by what he saw and WHO he saw doing it. He goes to Paterno for top cover and then CSS with Paterno's consultation decide not to report it to the police or DPW. Using state owned email servers is not something those arrogant men think about and then they get caught later and punished. Happened before with the Roman Catholic Church and the Boy Scouts. This is much simpler and true than the grand conspiracy that you propose that involves the BOT, Courts, Media, B1G, OAG, Pitt Fans etc.

Or the Occam's razor version: He didn't witness CSA, which is why he didn't tell anyone about CSA, including his dad, Dranov, Paterno, Curley, Schultz. Which is why Spanier didn't hear about it, and why PSU didn't tell TSM about it, and why Victim #2 claimed no CSA occurred.

Or he did witness CSA(or he wouldn't have reported it). Reported it to Paterno CSS and then CSS covered it up. Later they all went to jail except Paterno who was dead. Mine is clearer than yours.

A statement that was contradicted once under oath. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Because it was one person's opinion and not what the entire BOT said.

Spanier didn't take a plea deal.

Neither did OJ

I accept your concession on this point.

Laughing

You live in a fantasy world. PSU knew that Jerry was cleared in 1998, and received no report of CSA in 2001.

A report was given to PSU that said Jerry was a likely pedophile in 1998. Joe's testimony was that he did receive a report of CSA in 2001. These are facts not fantasy.

I guess you don't understand how time works. I guess you expect people in 1998 to be able to know what will happen over a decade later?

Dr. Chambers report. And you said Sandusky was falsely accused.

No he didn't.

Why don't you post the link to the audio of Joe saying this odd statement that looks like it was missing a question mark, and followed by "I don't know what you would call it."

"there was some inappropriate sexual activity going on." Do you have that link? Didn't think so.

Not going to refute what I already explained to you? I accept your concession on this point.

Nothing you wrote here is correct. I thought you knew this case?

If you would actually respond instead of just conceding so many points, I wouldn't have to repeat myself.

That was fun! Have a great and safe holiday, maybe visit some family and spend some time in reality, instead of visiting this and whatever other sites you visit to try and advance your crazy conspiracy theories. I'm sure you've just about got us round earthers convinced!

I plan to have a great holiday. CSS are convicted criminals still and will remain so. Jerry Sandusky will die in prison and Joe Paterno still won a lot of games but he morally failed at the end and will never be held up as a paragon of virtue but rather a lesson in hubris. I think I know who the flat earthers are and they ain't me. I hope you don't discuss this at Thanksgiving with your family

 

[joeaubie21]

So you saying I concede means that I concede? ROFL I must be making good progress then. BTW the conspiracy theories are those advanced by truthers who will not accept the facts determined by Freeh and Courts of Law.

Yes there was indeed and it was not a TSM issue, it was a PSU issue as the crime occurred on PSU's campus witnessed by PSU employees. Turning him in would've opened up 1998 where PSU was told by a licensed Psychologist that Jerry was a likely pedophile. While turning him in then might have cost them their jobs (CSS) it would have saved them jailtime. That brand cost them a lot.

He was and you have offered no such proof I accept your concession

But I didn't offer it

That's just your opinion because it suits your narrative. Paterno was fired for cause for a leadership failure. "While Coach Paterno did his legal duty by reporting that information the next day, Sunday, March 3, to his immediate superior, the then Penn State Athletic Director Tim Curley, the Board reasonably inferred that he did not call police," said the report explaining Paterno's firing. "We determined that his decision to do his minimum legal duty and not to do more to follow up constituted a failure of leadership by Coach Paterno." That was in March 2012, well after the furor of November 2011.

Your "concession" account is overdrawn I'm afraid Lol

So, you don't know who wrote it or the context of it? Cool. BTW that has already explained by Freeh. Try again.

No I'm not

Are you going to declare victory and go home?

Already done I think you need to read it and the Freeh report again.

I don't think you read the links I post so I'll let you look it up. Once again. You said CSS never met on the 2001 incident and they met twice. I gave you the dates so I'll accept your concession

"some inappropriate sexual activity was going on"

Lol

"some inappropriate sexual activity was going on"

No, Chambers told them in writing he was a likely pedophile.

No, in 2001 they had an adult third party witness. MM reported CSA as evidenced by Joe's testimony. To believe otherwise is delusional.

The BOT released a public statement that said Joe was fired for leadership failure in March 2012. "While Coach Paterno did his legal duty by reporting that information the next day, Sunday, March 3, to his immediate superior, the then Penn State Athletic Director Tim Curley, the Board reasonably inferred that he did not call police," said the report explaining Paterno's firing. "We determined that his decision to do his minimum legal duty and not to do more to follow up constituted a failure of leadership by Coach Paterno."

But that wasn't the case here. OJ was tried and didn't take a plea. I think you are mixed up on that.



But those organizations had info withheld from them by PSU and CSS. Chambers report, MM's report of CSA, emails etc. They can't be blamed for PSU withholding that information that might have stopped Sandusky.

I know what guilty means or are we back to OJ?

It was CSA, Joe Paterno corroborated it.

"it was a sexual nature"

I accept your concession

MM never reported horseplay. Both Curley and Schultz said so. Curley conducted the inquiries (in contravention of the policy and then consulted with Joe about whether to report Sandusky also against the policy) and Raykovitz was given no actionable information. I thought you knew this case.

I noticed you do repeat yourself therefore I accept your concession

Mbe34 and his crap. Why is tool not banned yet?

 

[pandaczar12]

Oh bless your heart, you are still at it? I guess crazy doesn't take a vacation.

You have an interesting type of argumentation. You post incorrect assertions, which I promptly refute then say you accept my concession. ROFL Well, ok I guess that is one way to believe you have won an argument but it's kinda delusional.

You have an interesting type of argumentation. You post incorrect assertions, which I promptly refute, you then refuse to respond, in clear sign of concession. Then you will argue that you didn't concede, but not actually respond to the discussion at hand. ROFL Well, ok I guess that is one way to believe you have won an argument but it's kinda delusional.

The foreman of the jury said there was a coverup. So did the other juror that talked to the press. Paterno was dead before all the evidence of coverup was found. The convictions validate Freeh's report.

The foreman said the conviction was a MISTAKE. No one was convicted of a coverup, thus invalidating Freeh's report. Paterno was praised for his handling of the matter.

But according to a court of law two crimes were committed there. Victims 2 and 5. Why do you ignore these facts? Turning in Sandusky would have cost them their jobs in 2001 when the public found out about 1998. Why do you ignore that?

According to a court of law, OJ is not guilty. Doesn't make it true. Why do you ignore this fact? Turning in Sandusky would have cost them nothing in 2001, because all they knew about 1998 was that the authorities cleared Sandusky. Why do you ignore that?

I refuted all your assertions (which have no proof)

Just saying you did, doesn't make it true. I accept your concession.

I have conceded only in your mind.

Mine and everybody else's. Odd how you want to refute your concession, but not my point. You have an interesting and entertaining way of wasting time.

Nope

I accept your concession.

I've responded and refuted your points.

Just saying you did, doesn't make it true. I accept your concession.

You don't know that. I think this sounds conspiratorial. Why haven't these dissenters come forward? ROFL

Yes I do, it's fact. It's funny how everything is some crazy conspiracy to you. Why would the dissenters come forward publicly? Everyone already knows how they feel, attaching their name to it could cost them their job.

As you do

I accept your concession.

So can you list all the points I've conceded so I can refute them....again. I'm enjoying this too.

There are too many at this point, but you can if you want.

Of course

You're not even trying anymore. I accept your concession.

Yet again

I figured you wouldn't provide a link or explanation. I accept your concession.

"here was some inappropriate sexual activity going on."

"I don't know what you would call it."

"there was some inappropriate sexual activity going on.'

"I don't know what you would call it."

Except for Dr. Chambers report

Again with your misplaced blame. Maybe you should be mad at the authorities who cleared Sandusky in 1998 and ignored this report you are obsessed with.

Well I think you are believing too much in conspiracy theories and that is the problem. MM witnessed CSA from a very popular and powerful member of the PSU family (think Bishop from the church) and was stunned by what he saw and WHO he saw doing it. He goes to Paterno for top cover and then CSS with Paterno's consultation decide not to report it to the police or DPW. Using state owned email servers is not something those arrogant men think about and then they get caught later and punished. Happened before with the Roman Catholic Church and the Boy Scouts. This is much simpler and true than the grand conspiracy that you propose that involves the BOT, Courts, Media, B1G, OAG, Pitt Fans etc.

Why didn't he stop the CSA? Why didn't he tell his dad or Dranov? Why did he tell the OAG his words were being twisted? Why would Paterno suddenly stop doing the right thing after years of only doing the right thing? Why did nobody behave like there was a coverup? Why did they let TSM in on this ridiculous coverup? Why did the victim from the shower go on the record multiple times saying there was no abuse? You have to believe so much craziness for your theory to be true.

Or he did witness CSA(or he wouldn't have reported it). Reported it to Paterno CSS and then CSS covered it up. Later they all went to jail except Paterno who was dead. Mine is clearer than yours.

He didn't report CSA, that much is clear. Which is why nobody down the line knew of CSA. Yet you want to believe he told some people but not others, and ignore how he told the OAG that his words were being twisted. CSS went to jail for a misdemeanor that didn't apply to them, for a child that wasn't under their care and is on the record saying no abuse occurred. Two of them stupidly pled guilty because their lives were on hold and were promised no jail time. One of them was convicted by a jury who admitted it was a mistake on a Friday afternoon. None of that means the crime was actually committed, unless you think OJ really is not guilty?

Because it was one person's opinion and not what the entire BOT said.

LOL... Did the entire BOT stand up and recite this statement in unison? We know at least one was lying or not in agreement, because that very influential member later gave differing testimony UNDER OATH. How many others were lying or didn't agree with the public statement, which wasn't under oath?

Neither did OJ

Exactly! Thanks for proving my point. I don't think you even understand what you are arguing anymore.

Laughing

Yes people are laughing at your continued refusal to respond to many points. I accept your concession.

A report was given to PSU that said Jerry was a likely pedophile in 1998. Joe's testimony was that he did receive a report of CSA in 2001. These are facts not fantasy.

PSU was told that Jerry was cleared in 1998. Joe's testimony is not what you twist it to be. These are facts not fantasy.

Dr. Chambers report.

Was this Chambers report included in the official investigation that cleared Sandusky in 1998?

And you said Sandusky was falsely accused.

Again, you don't understand how time works. Sandusky was officially cleared in 1998, thus to the PSU admins who did not have knowledge of the future, he was falsely accused in 1998.

"there was some inappropriate sexual activity going on." Do you have that link? Didn't think so.

Uh... do you not understand how this work? I asked you for the link because you rely so heavily on the exact transcription of certain cherry picked parts of his testimony while ignoring others. So I guess you are conceding this point too?

Just an emoji? I accept your concession.

I plan to have a great holiday. CSS are convicted criminals still and will remain so. Jerry Sandusky will die in prison and Joe Paterno still won a lot of games but he morally failed at the end and will never be held up as a paragon of virtue but rather a lesson in hubris.

While innocent PSU admins were punished, so many who actually failed were not. It's almost as if you want those who would hurt children to get away with it.

I think I know who the flat earthers are and they ain't me.

Yet here you...

I hope you don't discuss this at Thanksgiving with your family

Only you are obsessed enough with this topic to bring it up at thanksgiving. I'm sure your family would be thrilled to know that you spend so much time (yet so little effort) pushing conspiracy theories on another school's website that only serve to enable future CSA. Either because you don't understand what happened, or you want people to be able to get away with CSA. Either way, I'm sure they are proud.

 

[WHCANole]

Oh bless your heart, you are still at it? I guess crazy doesn't take a vacation.

Pander! You're back! I'm so glad as I feared you had lost your internet privilege's. I see you've put some thought into your post and so I will respectfully do the same!

You have an interesting type of argumentation. You post incorrect assertions, which I promptly refute, you then refuse to respond, in clear sign of concession. Then you will argue that you didn't concede, but not actually respond to the discussion at hand. ROFL Well, ok I guess that is one way to believe you have won an argument but it's kinda delusional.

I thought I just said something like that? Oh I see! You're showing off your cut and paste skills! Well Done!

The foreman said the conviction was a MISTAKE.

Here's what else he said: "They did that," Black (the foreman) said of Spanier, Curley and Schultz. "They were more interested in protecting the brand than in protecting the children."

No one was convicted of a coverup, thus invalidating Freeh's report.

They weren't tried for a coverup. Their convictions certainly validated Freeh. I think a juror said it best: "It didn't feel like they were conspiring to endanger children," Navazio said. "They were conspiring to protect Penn State."

Paterno was praised for his handling of the matter.

Before the emails were discovered and the Freeh report released. Joe was dead when that info was revealed.

According to a court of law, OJ is not guilty. Doesn't make it true. Why do you ignore this fact? Turning in Sandusky would have cost them nothing in 2001, because all they knew about 1998 was that the authorities cleared Sandusky. Why do you ignore that?

(Laughing) yes yes, whenever we don't don't like a jury verdict we bring up OJ. The jury got it wrong with OJ but right with Spanier. That's all. Turning in Sandusky in 2001 as I stated before would have cost them their jobs when it was discovered they were told Sandusky was a likely pedophile in 1998 and did nothing. Plus having a pedophile on your coaching staff for 30 years wouldn't look so good would it? Or do you believe Sandusky is innocent like CSS and Joe?

Just saying you did, doesn't make it true. I accept your concession.

I concede that MM gave Joe Paterno a report of CSA.

Mine and everybody else's. Odd how you want to refute your concession, but not my point. You have an interesting and entertaining way of wasting time.

How can I refute something I never did? I further concede that CSS are righteously convicted criminals.

I accept your concession.

And I also concede that CSS developed a plan to turn Jerry into DPW but Tim Curley changed his mind after he consulted with Joe Paterno.

Just saying you did, doesn't make it true. I accept your concession.

I continue to concede that CSS did not turn in Sandusky to the police after receiving a report of CSA.

Yes I do, it's fact. It's funny how everything is some crazy conspiracy to you. Why would the dissenters come forward publicly? Everyone already knows how they feel, attaching their name to it could cost them their job.

No, it's not a fact just what you believe. You still don't know who wrote any of those comments or what the context was. Plus many of those no longer work for Freeh and were just on a gig. If they opposed what he reported why haven't they come forward?

I accept your concession.

I shall concede that because CSS and Paterno did not turn in Sandusky in 2001 after receiving a report of CSA, other children were later abused. PS I can do this all day.

There are too many at this point, but you can if you want.

I accept your concession

You're not even trying anymore. I accept your concession.

It's getting boring lets get some meat on the table!

I figured you wouldn't provide a link or explanation. I accept your concession.

Which quote? What links have you provided?

"I don't know what you would call it."

"there was some inappropriate sexual activity going on."

"I don't know what you would call it."

"there was some inappropriate sexual activity going on."

Again with your misplaced blame. Maybe you should be mad at the authorities who cleared Sandusky in 1998 and ignored this report you are obsessed with.

I'm mad at the authorities at PSU who knew of CSA in 2001 and didn't report it. Truthers want to deflect blame to TSM, DPW, CYA Pitt Fans, etc. Desperate but it won't play.

Why didn't he stop the CSA?

Now we're getting some substance! He did stop it or so he testified.

Why didn't he tell his dad or Dranov?

He was too upset at the time according to Dranov's testimony

Why did he tell the OAG his words were being twisted?

Because he did not see insertion.

Why would Paterno suddenly stop doing the right thing after years of only doing the right thing?

Because it was an image and images are crafted and as we have seen, not always real. BTW, nobody always does the right thing. What you are saying sounds like worship and that is what fascinates me!

Why did nobody behave like there was a coverup?

Oh but they did. There is no template for coverups. Nobody in that institution was going to spill those beans. See Vicki Triponey.

Why did they let TSM in on this ridiculous coverup?

They didn't, but they did try to CYA by telling TSM nothing actionable so they got two for one. No report and they could say they told someone. Why didn't they just tell DPW as originally planned? Didn't work as they still went to jail.

Why did the victim from the shower go on the record multiple times saying there was no abuse? You have to believe so much craziness for your theory to be true.

They don't know who Victim 2 is.

He didn't report CSA, that much is clear.

Paterno's testimony confirms that he did.

Which is why nobody down the line knew of CSA.

But CSS acted as though he did report CSA. Hence the emails, meeting twice with Spanier, meeting with Courtney about "possible CSA" and then ignoring his advice to report it.

Yet you want to believe he told some people but not others, and ignore how he told the OAG that his words were being twisted.

You're mixing some things up. He told Paterno, Curley and Schultz of CSA. We know that. His dad and Dranov report he was very shaken (seeing an extremely popular and revered local saint molesting a boy) and his dad and Dranov testified they didn't press but sent him to Paterno. As to the OAG and twisting words, MM was commenting on the GJP.

CSS went to jail for a misdemeanor that didn't apply to them, for a child that wasn't under their care and is on the record saying no abuse occurred.

The courts disagree. That includes the SCOTUS which refused to hear Spanier's final appeal before he went to jail. I take their interpretation over yours, sorry.

Two of them stupidly pled guilty because their lives were on hold and were promised no jail time.

Until they told the investigators one thing, got their deal and then got amnesia in court to save face in front of their buddies.

One of them was convicted by a jury who admitted it was a mistake on a Friday afternoon.

And said what I quoted above. They cared more for the brand than the children.

None of that means the crime was actually committed, unless you think OJ really is not guilty?

OJ again? ROFL man, you are stuck on him! So, nobody is guilty if convicted unless what? You just don't like them? Lol

LOL... Did the entire BOT stand up and recite this statement in unison?

That would be silly but I suspect there was a vote

We know at least one was lying or not in agreement, because that very influential member later gave differing testimony UNDER OATH.

Which was his own personal opinion UNDER OATH and not that of the BOT.

How many others were lying or didn't agree with the public statement, which wasn't under oath?

Have anymore come out and said?

Exactly! Thanks for proving my point. I don't think you even understand what you are arguing anymore.

That OJ didn't take a plea deal?

Yes people are laughing at your continued refusal to respond to many points. I accept your concession.

Oh snap are we back to that? Darn, I concede that Joe Paterno could have and should have done more to insure that the police were notified of the report of CSA he received.

PSU was told that Jerry was cleared in 1998. Joe's testimony is not what you twist it to be. These are facts not fantasy.

PSU had Dr. Chambers report in 1998. Joe's testimony was Joe's testimony. Plain reading. BTW, Joe said UNDER OATH that he had no knowledge of 1998 yet we now know he did.

Was this Chambers report included in the official investigation that cleared Sandusky in 1998?

Yup, the PSU Police had it.

Again, you don't understand how time works. Sandusky was officially cleared in 1998, thus to the PSU admins who did not have knowledge of the future, he was falsely accused in 1998.

Not according to Dr. Chambers who reported to them that Sandusky was a likely pedophile in 1998.

Uh... do you not understand how this work?

Sorry I don't follow your rules.

I asked you for the link because you rely so heavily on the exact transcription of certain cherry picked parts of his testimony while ignoring others. So I guess you are conceding this point too?

Pot meet kettle. You do exactly the same thing repeatedly posting "I don't know what you would call it" without a link. I guess you are conceding the point by hypocrisy.

Just an emoji? I accept your concession.

While innocent PSU admins were punished, so many who actually failed were not.

The PSU admins who took no action in 1998 when they were told of Sandusky's pedophilia and then withheld another CSA incident in 2001 were the ones who failed. You can't blame TSM (although I know the truthers do) who didn't know about 1998 and were told nothing actionable in 2001. DPW and CYS weren't told about 2001, neither were the police or OAG so I'm not sure who you would blame. Yeah I know anyone and anything but JoePa and PSU. This is a devotion I've never seen at another school How did PSU create such a cult? I yearn to know and understand.

It's almost as if you want those who would hurt children to get away with it.

I want those (CSS and Paterno) to get their due justice to serve as a reminder to other coaches and university admins that coving up CSA will get you in jail or ruin your reputation.

Yet here you...

Only you are obsessed enough with this topic to bring it up at thanksgiving.

But you respond to it don't you? I think you are obsessed a bit too. Yet here you are on a Sunday morning when you should be in church defending a conspiracy theory.

I'm sure your family would be thrilled to know that you spend so much time (yet so little effort)

I hope your family came to visit you at the facility. It really doesn't take me long to respond.

pushing conspiracy theories

Debunking them

on another school's website

You don't know where I went to school

that only serve to enable future CSA.

That send a warning to those who know about CSA and don't report it.

Either because you don't understand what happened,

I do indeed and it's not the first time a powerful institution did this.

or you want people to be able to get away with CSA.

I want them caught nad turned in by those who know of their crimes

Either way, I'm sure they are proud.

I think they are. Well, thanks for your time and I look forward to our next talk.

 

[pandaczar12]

Pander! You're back! I'm so glad as I feared you had lost your internet privilege's. I see you've put some thought into your post and so I will respectfully do the same!

Every time I think you are done embarrassing yourself, I drop by and see that you are not.

I thought I just said something like that? Oh I see! You're showing off your cut and paste skills! Well Done!

Well in your case it was behavior projection, in my case it's an observation of reality.

Here's what else he said: "They did that," Black (the foreman) said of Spanier, Curley and Schultz. "They were more interested in protecting the brand than in protecting the children."

You think the he was the jury foreman for Curley and Schultz too?!?!

They weren't tried for a coverup.

Now you are making progress!

Their convictions certainly validated Freeh. I think a juror said it best: "It didn't feel like they were conspiring to endanger children," Navazio said. "They were conspiring to protect Penn State."

If you think so, map Freeh's accusations to what they were convicted for. Otherwise I accept your concession on this topic. Thanks for letting us know about one Juror's "feelings" on the topic.

Before the emails were discovered and the Freeh report released. Joe was dead when that info was revealed.

Well the emails need you to twist their meanings to incriminate Joe, and Freeh's report is considered garbage, as is pretty much everything he's ever been involved in.

(Laughing) yes yes, whenever we don't don't like a jury verdict we bring up OJ. The jury got it wrong with OJ but right with Spanier. That's all.

Oh, so you think you can cherry pick when a jury gets it right?

Turning in Sandusky in 2001 as I stated before would have cost them their jobs when it was discovered they were told Sandusky was a likely pedophile in 1998 and did nothing.

You have no evidence of that, and it makes no sense. They would have been praised for doing the right thing, especially since they knew he was officially cleared in 1998.

Plus having a pedophile on your coaching staff for 30 years wouldn't look so good would it? Or do you believe Sandusky is innocent like CSS and Joe?

Nobody would care. People commit crimes all the time, and have jobs of varying lengths of times at varying employers. You are grasping at straws.

I concede that MM gave Joe Paterno a report of CSA.

So you concede you have a poor grasp of reality. Got it!

How can I refute something I never did? I further concede that CSS are righteously convicted criminals.

Easy, you just did it again!

And I also concede that CSS developed a plan to turn Jerry into DPW but Tim Curley changed his mind after he consulted with Joe Paterno.

...And after he drove by a mailbox and after he ate a sandwich.

I continue to concede that CSS did not turn in Sandusky to the police after receiving a report of CSA.

So you concede you have a poor grasp of reality. Got it!

No, it's not a fact just what you believe. You still don't know who wrote any of those comments or what the context was. Plus many of those no longer work for Freeh and were just on a gig. If they opposed what he reported why haven't they come forward?

Just because you don't want to believe it, doesn't make it not true.

I shall concede that because CSS and Paterno did not turn in Sandusky in 2001 after receiving a report of CSA, other children were later abused. PS I can do this all day.

So you concede you have a poor grasp of reality. Got it! (PS I can do this all day)

I accept your concession

You don't want to? I accept your concession.

It's getting boring lets get some meat on the table!

I keep challenging you to, but you keep failing.

Which quote? What links have you provided?

Go back and figure it out.

"there was some inappropriate sexual activity going on."

I'll take truncated quotes for $1000 Alex!

I'm mad at the authorities at PSU who knew of CSA in 2001 and didn't report it. Truthers want to deflect blame to TSM, DPW, CYA Pitt Fans, etc. Desperate but it won't play.

Again with the misplaced anger. No one at PSU knew of CSA with the possible exception of MM. Truthers want to blame the wrong people because... football.

Now we're getting some substance! He did stop it or so he testified.

So you think he saw a teen being abused, stopped the abuse of the teen (who is on the record saying no abuse occurred) and then contacted the police?

He was too upset at the time according to Dranov's testimony

It's amazing what fantasy you will believe to fit your narrative. You think he was so upset he had to LIE about what he saw? He was so upset he had to sit on the report for WEEKS until a job came open?

Because he did not see insertion.

... or any form of abuse.

Because it was an image and images are crafted and as we have seen, not always real. BTW, nobody always does the right thing. What you are saying sounds like worship and that is what fascinates me!

Funny how the word "always" doesn't' appear in that quote, and obviously I wasn't talking in absolutes, rather referring to his role as a prominent football coach. It fascinates me how badly you want to take him down based on how you FEEL.

Oh but they did. There is no template for coverups. Nobody in that institution was going to spill those beans. See Vicki Triponey.

I see you know nothing about Vicki Triponey. But if you'd like to embarrass yourself...

They told mandated reporters outside the university about the report. They talked about it on state owned email servers. There were no incentives offered to keep quiet. But feel free to list the coverup behavior that you think occurred.

They didn't, but they did try to CYA by telling TSM nothing actionable so they got two for one. No report and they could say they told someone. Why didn't they just tell DPW as originally planned? Didn't work as they still went to jail.

Crazy talk. If you just committed a crime, you don't tell someone. Just because they went to jail, doesn't mean they committed the crime. Do I have to remind you of OJ again?

They don't know who Victim 2 is.

Who is "they"? Because everyone else knows who it is.

Paterno's testimony confirms that he did.

"I don't know what you would call it."

But CSS acted as though he did report CSA. Hence the emails, meeting twice with Spanier, meeting with Courtney about "possible CSA" and then ignoring his advice to report it.

No they didn't. Having TSM teens on campus is a liability, especially if there is horseplay involved. I had a meeting the other day about possible IP theft. Turns out that once the facts were presented it wasn't IP theft. So do I have to further explain how meetings work?

You're mixing some things up.

No I am not

He told Paterno, Curley and Schultz of CSA. We know that.

If "we" is you and the other people in your head, then I agree. Maybe a few other thruthers on the internet?

His dad and Dranov report he was very shaken (seeing an extremely popular and revered local saint molesting a boy) and his dad and Dranov testified they didn't press but sent him to Paterno.

So you are now saying that his dad and Dranov reported that they weren't told of CSA because he was so shaken from CSA? Then rather than call the police, they sent him to see the football coach?

The courts disagree. That includes the SCOTUS which refused to hear Spanier's final appeal before he went to jail. I take their interpretation over yours, sorry.

Have you heard of OJ?

Until they told the investigators one thing, got their deal and then got amnesia in court to save face in front of their buddies.

Or they just told the truth and were punished for it. But that's some conspiracy theory you have there. If they were planning getting amnesia and pissing of the investigators... why not just keep fighting? Nothing you believe makes any sense.

And said what I quoted above. They cared more for the brand than the children.

That makes no sense. IF they knew of a crime and turned him in, it would have helped the brand. Especially since they would be going against the results of the official 1998 investigation.

OJ again? ROFL man, you are stuck on him! So, nobody is guilty if convicted unless what? You just don't like them? Lol

Dodging OJ again? ROFL man, you just will not adress that point. I accept your concession.

That would be silly but I suspect there was a vote

You "suspect"?!?! More importantly, what have any board members said under oath about it?

Which was his own personal opinion UNDER OATH and not that of the BOT.

So you think he committed perjury? And why would his opinion differ from the rest of the board?

Have anymore come out and said?

Have any publicly said they disagree?

That OJ didn't take a plea deal?

Tead it again... slower.

Oh snap are we back to that? Darn, I concede that Joe Paterno could have and should have done more to insure that the police were notified of the report of CSA he received.

Oh snap, you are back to that? So you concede you have a poor grasp of reality. Got it!

PSU had Dr. Chambers report in 1998. Joe's testimony was Joe's testimony. Plain reading. BTW, Joe said UNDER OATH that he had no knowledge of 1998 yet we now know he did.

PSU was told that Jerry was cleared in 1998. Joe's testimony is not what you twist it to be. These are facts not fantasy.

Yup, the PSU Police had it.

So you should be angry with those in charge of the official investigation that cleared him. Now we are making progress!

Not according to Dr. Chambers who reported to them that Sandusky was a likely pedophile in 1998.

Why didn't Dr. Chambers push her findings to the proper authorities?

Sorry I don't follow your rules.

So you don't understand, thanks for clearing it up!

Pot meet kettle. You do exactly the same thing repeatedly posting "I don't know what you would call it" without a link. I guess you are conceding the point by hypocrisy.

You are projecting again!

Just an emoji? I accept your concession.

The PSU admins who took no action in 1998 when they were told of Sandusky's pedophilia and then withheld another CSA incident in 2001 were the ones who failed. You can't blame TSM (although I know the truthers do) who didn't know about 1998 and were told nothing actionable in 2001. DPW and CYS weren't told about 2001, neither were the police or OAG so I'm not sure who you would blame. Yeah I know anyone and anything but JoePa and PSU. This is a devotion I've never seen at another school How did PSU create such a cult? I yearn to know and understand.

PSU was told he was cleared in 1998, and was not told of CSA in 2001. You can keep saying things that aren't true, but they will never be true. It's like you are in a cult devoted to perpetuating lies that only serve to endanger children.

I want those (CSS and Paterno) to get their due justice to serve as a reminder to other coaches and university admins that coving up CSA will get you in jail or ruin your reputation.

It's almost as if you want those who would hurt children to get away with it. Why is that?

But you respond to it don't you? I think you are obsessed a bit too. Yet here you are on a Sunday morning when you should be in church defending a conspiracy theory.

Oh, I'm just F*cking with you. I stop by every copy of days and spin up a crazy person, and watch them meltdown over and over. I say jump...

Granted a side benefit is trying to educate people about history, and hopefully preventing future CSA in the process by pointing the spotlight at those that actually failed, rather than those who were scapegoated.

It really doesn't take me long to respond.

We already knew that, given the quality of your responses.

Debunking them

It's hilarious you think that.

You don't know where I went to school

I've got a pretty good idea given the quality (or lack thereof) of your ability to process information and formulate arguments.

That send a warning to those who know about CSA and don't report it.

I think you should go to the OSU, MSU, or UM message board in that case. Nobody at PSU received a report of CSA. How often does your crusade of misinformation take you to OSU, MSU, and UM message boards?

I do indeed and it's not the first time a powerful institution did this.

You've proven that you don't time and time again.

I want them caught nad turned in by those who know of their crimes

...and by them, you mean people who did no wrong, so those that really did enable CSA can get away with it.

I think they are.

Haven't you learned yet that you shouldn't rely on what you think?

Well, thanks for your time and I look forward to our next talk.

Not as much as I look forward to it. JUMP!

 

[WHCANole]

Every time I think you are done embarrassing yourself, I drop by and see that you are not.

Pander! Glad you got your internet privilege's back!

Well in your case it was behavior projection, in my case it's an observation of reality.

I think it was plagiarism on your part. But imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Thank you!

You think the he was the jury foreman for Curley and Schultz too?!?!

No they pled guilty so he already knew of their crimes he was just applying that to Spanier

Now you are making progress!

But there was a coverup nonetheless to protect the brand

If you think so, map Freeh's accusations to what they were convicted for.

"most saddening and sobering finding is the total disregard for the safety and welfare of Sandusky's child victims by the most senior leaders at Penn State." CSS convicted in March 2017 for Endangering the welfare of children.

Otherwise I accept your concession on this topic. Thanks for letting us know about one Juror's "feelings" on the topic.

Reread the Foreman's quote. He said the ENTIRE jury believed that..

Well the emails need you to twist their meanings to incriminate Joe, and Freeh's report is considered garbage, as is pretty much everything he's ever been involved in.

That's your opinion but he's more successful than you.

Oh, so you think you can cherry pick when a jury gets it right?

I can tell the difference yes

You have no evidence of that, and it makes no sense. They would have been praised for doing the right thing, especially since they knew he was officially cleared in 1998.

He wasn't "cleared" in 1998. Gricar didn't have a strong enough case to prosecute. But PSU DID have a report from a licensed psychologist that said Jerry was a pedo. If it had become public in 2001 that Jerry was a child abuser and the public found out about PSU knowing that in 1998. Off with their heads! And they knew it too.

Nobody would care. People commit crimes all the time, and have jobs of varying lengths of times at varying employers. You are grasping at straws.

Really, people have pedophiles on their staffs for 30 years and that's okay? Wow!

So you concede you have a poor grasp of reality. Got it!

I concede that Joe received a report of CSA in 2001

Easy, you just did it again!

I further concede that Joe morally failed by not making sure the police were called after he received the CSA report from MM

...And after he drove by a mailbox and after he ate a sandwich.

And thereby got himself put in the pokey for not reporting it

So you concede you have a poor grasp of reality. Got it!

Did CSS go to the police?

Just because you don't want to believe it, doesn't make it not true.

Prove it then.

So you concede you have a poor grasp of reality. Got it! (PS I can do this all day)

I concede that PSU knew Sandusky was a pedophile in 1998 (so can I)

You don't want to? I accept your concession.

I concede that CSS are now all convicted criminals and spent time in jail

I keep challenging you to, but you keep failing.

You like making me hungry don't you you devil.

Go back and figure it out.

I accept your concession!

I'll take truncated quotes for $1000 Alex!

You do tend to truncate them I concede. Cherry pick too

Again with the misplaced anger. No one at PSU knew of CSA with the possible exception of MM. Truthers want to blame the wrong people because... football.

But CSS and Joe could have saved the University millions (even if it cost them their jobs) but instead choose to cover it up and disgrace their university. Doesn't that make YOU mad?

So you think he saw a teen being abused, stopped the abuse of the teen (who is on the record saying no abuse occurred) and then contacted the police?

He said he stopped the abuse (we don't know his identity) and went to Joe and reported what he saw. CSA.

It's amazing what fantasy you will believe to fit your narrative. You think he was so upset he had to LIE about what he saw? He was so upset he had to sit on the report for WEEKS until a job came open?

Not telling Dranov because he was in shock is not lying. He went to Paterno the very next day. I don't believe Ziegler's conspiracy theories

... or any form of abuse.

Indecent assault

Funny how the word "always" doesn't' appear in that quote, and obviously I wasn't talking in absolutes, rather referring to his role as a prominent football coach. It fascinates me how badly you want to take him down based on how you FEEL.

He took himself down. You are angry that your idol has fallen. I understand that but must tell you the truth.

I see you know nothing about Vicki Triponey. But if you'd like to embarrass yourself...

She crossed Joe and look what happened

They told mandated reporters outside the university about the report.

But told them nothing actionable

They talked about it on state owned email servers.

Criminals often do stupid things. Nixon recorded his crimes.

There were no incentives offered to keep quiet.

Didn't want to end up like Vicki Triponey

But feel free to list the coverup behavior that you think occurred.

Not reporting CSA to police is a pretty good start.

Crazy talk. If you just committed a crime, you don't tell someone.

If you are trying to CYA you do. Curley did it again when he cut his deal with the prosecution. He tried to be clever but as I said crooks aren't always so smart.

Just because they went to jail, doesn't mean they committed the crime.

But they did

Do I have to remind you of OJ again?

Who is "they"? Because everyone else knows who it is.

OAG. Truthers think they know but they don't

"I don't know what you would call it."

"there was some inappropriate sexual activity going on" Was what you just wrote a truncated quote? ROFL

No they didn't. Having TSM teens on campus is a liability, especially if there is horseplay involved. I had a meeting the other day about possible IP theft. Turns out that once the facts were presented it wasn't IP theft. So do I have to further explain how meetings work?

Horseplay would never have been reported to CSS as it is benign activity. And why would CSS be "vulnerable" for not reporting horseplay? ROFL Report to who?

No I am not

You often confuse things

If "we" is you and the other people in your head, then I agree. Maybe a few other thruthers on the internet?

Do you suffer from that ailment? I wondered why you are in that place. Truthers are you guys who believe the scandal is just one big hoax.

So you are now saying that his dad and Dranov reported that they weren't told of CSA because he was so shaken from CSA?

From seeing the second most beloved figure in State College doing it yes. That's from Dranov's testimony.

Then rather than call the police, they sent him to see the football coach?

Yes since they weren't sure what he was telling them.

Have you heard of OJ?

Or they just told the truth and were punished for it. But that's some conspiracy theory you have there. If they were planning getting amnesia and pissing of the investigators... why not just keep fighting? Nothing you believe makes any sense.

Prosecutors would never have given them a deal unless they had incriminating testimony. That's how these things work. The prosecutors mentioned Curley's BS amnesia and the judge said he was lying too. That's why he got the most jail time.

That makes no sense. IF they knew of a crime and turned him in, it would have helped the brand. Especially since they would be going against the results of the official 1998 investigation.

Not when it was revealed that in 1998 they knew about his pedoness from Dr. Chambers and PSU still let him continue to bring kids to the showers. See in 2001 CSS and Joe knew this had happened before. They had to kick that can down the road. It bit them.

Dodging OJ again? ROFL man, you just will not adress that point. I accept your concession.

I concede that Joe lied about knowing of the 1998 incident

You "suspect"?!?! More importantly, what have any board members said under oath about it?

Normally boards vote on those matters or are you saying just one of them put that BOT statement out unilaterally? Do you have proof of that?

So you think he committed perjury?

Don't know. Maybe that was his opinion then but he didn't object to the statement in March 2012 did he?

And why would his opinion differ from the rest of the board?

You'd have to ask him. The statement stands.

Have any publicly said they disagree?

Tead it again... slower.

Have any publicly disagreed?

Oh snap, you are back to that? So you concede you have a poor grasp of reality. Got it!

I concede that CSS covered up CSA

PSU was told that Jerry was cleared in 1998. Joe's testimony is not what you twist it to be. These are facts not fantasy.

Dr. Chambers again. Joe's testimony is what it is and that is why he is disgraced. He corroborated MM and then participated in the decision NOT to report Sandusky.

So you should be angry with those in charge of the official investigation that cleared him. Now we are making progress!

And the PSU leaders (joe and CSS) who knew he was a pedo and still let him come around.

Why didn't Dr. Chambers push her findings to the proper authorities?

She did. The PSU Police

So you don't understand, thanks for clearing it up!

I understand that you are not in charge.

You are projecting again!

Just calling out your hypocrisy

Just an emoji? I accept your concession.

I concede that Joe could have and should have done more.

PSU was told he was cleared in 1998, and was not told of CSA in 2001.

They were told he was a pedo in 1998 and told of CSA in 2001 and still did nothing. They then went to jail or died in disgrace

You can keep saying things that aren't true, but they will never be true. It's like you are in a cult devoted to perpetuating lies that only serve to endanger children.

You're projecting again!

It's almost as if you want those who would hurt children to get away with it. Why is that?

More projecting!

Oh, I'm just F*cking with you. I stop by every copy of days and spin up a crazy person, and watch them meltdown over and over. I say jump...

Oh you liar. You love it. You'll be back after they let you take some leave.

Granted a side benefit is trying to educate people about history, and hopefully preventing future CSA in the process by pointing the spotlight at those that actually failed, rather than those who were scapegoated.

I'm glad those who failed were held accountable and hopefully it will serve as a lesson to others. This time justice prevailed.

We already knew that, given the quality of your responses.

I'm keeping you on your toes

It's hilarious you think that.

It's fun to do

I've got a pretty good idea given the quality (or lack thereof) of your ability to process information and formulate arguments.

ROFL

I think you should go to the OSU, MSU, or UM message board in that case.

No truthers there.

Nobody at PSU received a report of CSA.

Four did

How often does your crusade of misinformation take you to OSU, MSU, and UM message boards?

Like I said, no truthers there acting like self righteous pr*cks.

You've proven that you don't time and time again.

But I keep bringing you back

...and by them, you mean people who did no wrong, so those that really did enable CSA can get away with it.

No I mean justice was served. I'm glad and you should be too but they were your idols so you have some deprogramming to go thru.

Haven't you learned yet that you shouldn't rely on what you think?

I shouldn't rely on what you say, for sure.

Not as much as I look forward to it. JUMP!

Bring it Pander! SNAP! Good luck on the electroshock thing.

 

[joeaubie21]

The PiT turd invades another thread.

 

[WHCANole]

The PiT turd invades another thread.

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