The Losers Over in the Raritan Basin Think the Big 10 is Screwing Them Out of Money

[h8ru]

https://www.offtackleempire.com/201...ten-is-screwing-them-out-of-money-jim-delaney

You won’t believe this, but the New Jersey media thinks Rutgers is getting a bum deal from the Big Ten.

No, this is not satire...

That’s exactly what Steve Politi, who writes for NJ.com, says. He believes Rutgers got screwed by the Big Ten. He points out that Michigan, Ohio State, Indiana, et al. will receive $51.1 million thanks to the new B1G television contract.

Rutgers only gets $11.6 million this year. As Politi laments:

…in the long-term, the Scarlet Knights will reap the benefits of these massive paydays. For now, though, they're lining up against Michigan and Ohio State with one-fifth of the revenue from the league.

Turns out, he’s not the only beat writer for NJ.com that grinds this axe. Keith Sargeant wrote a piece last year that came to the same conclusion. He points out that Rutgers agreed to a six-year integration plan into the B1G (exactly like Nebraska and Maryland). However, Rutgers isn’t in line for a big chunk of the TV money windfall. He’s upset that the existing members of the B1G will make five times more money than Rutgers (and Maryland) through 2021.

When asked if the B1G could financially help out Rutgers, Delany didn’t pull any punches:

No, because there's an academic integration plan, a competitive integration plan, and a financial integration plan,'' Delany told NJ Advance Media on Oct. 9, 2015. "Basically our goal was to keep our (traditional) institutions whole, to keep the (new) institutions coming in whole relative to where they were, and then at a certain point in time they'll become a full member of the conference.

In other words, the deal is six years to full member. Wait your ****ing turn. In essence, both Politi and Sargeant want to renegotiate Rutgers’ contract. The problem is, the product – Rutgers itself – is totally shit.

The school should be making more money, because it is pulling in much higher quality teams. They don’t get these kinds of teams from the Big East or the AAC. They have Ohio State, Michigan State, Washington and Purdue at home this year. Those games should be sellouts. Ticket sales should be soaring...

Except the product on the field is trash. This is a bad football program. It’s a bad sports school. And it’s a bad fit for the Big Ten. So, how in the hell can these media pundits justify Rutgers getting more money? Nobody wants to watch them play football...not even their own fans.

At this point, it isn’t about getting them more money, it’s about how much we could improve the B1G product by just letting them go. Let’s think about it, what has Rutgers done since they’ve entered the conference? They’ve been last or in the bottom quartile of nearly every single sport they compete in.

It’s not like they are middling in a majority and bad in others, they are awful in over 90% of the sports they compete in. The two sports that rake in the cash? Last.

Sport the east coast schools should be good at? Can’t make the tournament because the two other new schools are better than you. Big Ten speciality women's volleyball? Last, and not even close.

While this may appear to support Politi’s point of needing more money, it doesn't. Rutgers isn’t worth the $11.6M they’re being paid currently given the product on the fields. And they want more, and early, to do what with it?

Let me put this to you in a more Jersey-esque way...get the **** outta here. Rutgers should be paying us to join the B1G. That’s why it’s a six year buy in. This is a blue chip league. Rutgers ain’t a blue chip team.

Wait, they are for real pissed that they're getting gradually increasing payments? As if they didn't know that would happen? As if it didn't happen to Nebraska (so they could have seen how it would look, if they were curious)? As if being geographically close to NYC means anyone there or anywhere else gives two shits about their team or watching them? They could be located in a remote area of Nevada and have the same amount of viewers.

As if it was somehow sold to them that the Big Ten's purpose in taking them was to turn them into OSU 2.0?

So it was not only not an unfair or unprecedented deal, but one which they fully consented to. And now that they wish it was a different deal, it's the Big Ten's fault that they don't cut them a new, super awesome one, in spite of them finishing last in nearly every sport?

What in the **** is in their water out there that leads to this kind of self-delusion? They should donate their bodies to science at some other Big Ten school so that they can study if its an environmental influence or chromosomal disorder or what.

Just to reiterate: you guys signed a contract, the same one Nebraska did. Dont act disingenous and claim youre getting a shitty deal. And if you guys dont want to be mocked, improve the performance on the field and stop being scandalous. Until then, Buttgers, the mockery and beatings will continue.

Go home Rutgers, and be thankful Delany made the cash grab for TV money and you’ll eventually get your piece of the pie. Go sit quietly in the corner because you know you got a sweet deal that far outweighs the sports value you bring to this conference, which is generally a ****ing drag on everyone's strength of schedule because of how terrible you are.

Your Friends,

Townie , LPW, and DJ

 

[NittPicker]

What did their fans expect? Getting a full equity share but only having to pay 50% of the value of that equity??

 

[Lion8286]

If payments are based on performance Rutgers should be paying the Big Ten money.

 

[psu101]

I think Rutgers joining the Big ten was a huge mistake for Rutgers. They should of stayed in the conference they were in and try to dominated it first before moving onto an P5 conference. They're not recruiting any better now then they were.

 

[jrs1024]

Now that BTN is standard in NJ and NY(?), is it possible to drop Rutgers down the road and replace them with Oklahoma when the big 12 GOR runs out? Oklahoma might not have the local market, but it's a national team and adds to game inventory much like Nebraska.

Look I don't mind the free win every year, but you at least have to try to be decent in sports. If northwestern can do it, Rutgers has no excuse. It's like the college football version of the marlins. Take all the money, screw the quality of the product.

 

[T J]

In time, Rutgers will be rolling in mega bucks, with cash flow that can fund facilities and pay much larger salaries for better coaches.

They have a very good recruiting area. With the right coach and wads of cash rolling in, at some point they will have some surprisingly good years.

That may be well down the road.

Michigan State was the second sister in the state for a long time. But with good competitive funding and a stable program, they have had some very good years, compared to their past.

=====

Deals a deal.

For one example, the Big Ten schools had to invest in the BTN. It wouldn't surprise if deductions were made to new school payouts, to get their anti up to match the existing pot.

Your mileage may vary.
Some settling may occur during shipping and handling.

 

[T J]

Now that BTN is standard in NJ and NY(?), is it possible to drop Rutgers down the road and replace them with Oklahoma when the big 12 GOR runs out? Oklahoma might not have the local market, but it's a national team and adds to game inventory much like Nebraska.

Look I don't mind the free win every year, but you at least have to try to be decent in sports. If northwestern can do it, Rutgers has no excuse. It's like the college football version of the marlins. Take all the money, screw the quality of the product.

Rutgers' value comes from those nuts sprinkled on the top of the BTN sundae. With them, the BTN was finally able to secure monthly cash payments from large cable/satellite networks in the NJ/NY market.

Even small payments add up to big numbers, when very large numbers of paying household are involved,

Rutgers' numbers of fans, together with fans from other substantial BT alumni groups in NYC, broke the threshold level needed to strike the deals. All together the BT alumni and fans provide a vehicle for local advertisers to pitch their cars, trucks, SUVs and football food and drinks to the local population.

We will see how it all shakes out as more people cut the cord and cut out now politically dominated sources like ESPN.

 

[AWS1022]

It's going to take a whole lot more than money to fix their football program. More money doesn't automatically mean a better coach and better talent. There are plenty of coaches out there that make less than Ash now and have better programs...hell, Notre Dame's coach makes less. They think they're playing with one hand tied behind their back because of money....look what we had to deal with and we never stunk the Conference up like Rutgers. They have never been a good football program...they had a couple of decent years in a really watered down Big East, but other than that they've been bad for years. Money won't fix that.

 

[BobPSU92]

Giving rutgres money is throwing money away. From that standpoint, Penn State should give rutgres money.

 

[MtNittany]

Imagine how good they'll be when they get their $50m. Yeah, I can't either.

 

[jrs1024]

Rutgers' value comes from those nuts sprinkled on the top of the BTN sundae. With them, the BTN was finally able to secure monthly cash payments from large cable/satellite networks in the NJ/NY market.

Even small payments add up to big numbers, when very large numbers of paying household are involved,

Rutgers' numbers of fans, together with fans from other substantial BT alumni groups in NYC, broke the threshold level needed to strike the deals. All together the BT alumni and fans provide a vehicle for local advertisers to pitch their cars, trucks, SUVs and football food and drinks to the local population.

We will see how it all shakes out as more people cut the cord and cut out now politically dominated sources like ESPN.

I guess my point was that since you've now gotten to be standard cable in the NYC market, and you've been able to bring the big ten brand there, would it be likely that the cable providers in the area would drop the channel without Rutgers? I just don't think there's really any Rutgers fans. The real benefit was bringing the PSU, OSU, Michigan brands to the NYC market. There's other ways of accomplishing that. And when they negotiated the last tv deal, what became most apparent was that markets weren't the leading factor, national inventory was. Rutgers adds zero in that category.

 

[Lion84]

No money in the world will fix that sh*t bag fanbase they have - they are and will continue to steal money from the Big 10 - crappy program that will never be good.

 

[T J]

I guess my point was that since you've now gotten to be standard cable in the NYC market, and you've been able to bring the big ten brand there, would it be likely that the cable providers in the area would drop the channel without Rutgers? I just don't think there's really any Rutgers fans. The real benefit was bringing the PSU, OSU, Michigan brands to the NYC market. There's other ways of accomplishing that. And when they negotiated the last tv deal, what became most apparent was that markets weren't the leading factor, national inventory was. Rutgers adds zero in that category.

A problem with that scenario is that the BT inventory and fan base, didn't seal the deal, without Neb, Rut and MD added as the final sweaters. It appears it was the combined new BT market of homes, including local advertising to local areas that pushed the BT over the top in three rich markets of NY/NJ, Wash D.C. and Baltimore.

====

It's fair to say that Neb was a huge piece of the pie. Neb has had one of the top 5 fan followings. Maybe not now, but not too long ago.

They were a preferred college team for people in many Midwest/mountain area states. They traditionally brought in millions of fans over many states and also a national audience.

Neb's fan loyalty was also traditionally high. So where a huge market like NJ/NY has tons of people, the actual numbers of loyal fans are a fraction of the total. Fan loyalty and millions of TVs turned to events help ring the cash drawer when advertisers want access to a loyal following.

 

[PearlSUJam]

Giving rutgres money is throwing money away. From that standpoint, Penn State should give rutgres money.

What about our bowl money? Is that how they are paying rutgres?

 

[BUFFALO LION]

Now that BTN is standard in NJ and NY(?), is it possible to drop Rutgers down the road and replace them with Oklahoma when the big 12 GOR runs out? Oklahoma might not have the local market, but it's a national team and adds to game inventory much like Nebraska.

Look I don't mind the free win every year, but you at least have to try to be decent in sports. If northwestern can do it, Rutgers has no excuse. It's like the college football version of the marlins. Take all the money, screw the quality of the product.

Rutgers isn't going anywhere. One of the reasons we have the biggest combined P-5 TV Contract is because we control every DMA in the I-95 megalopolis corridor from New York City (Number 1 US DMA) to Washington, DC (Number 7 US DMA).

If the ACC had any teams in the New York City, Baltimore, and Washington, DC DMAs, you wouldn't have had John Skipper frantically calling Delany last spring literally begging him to renegotiate our TV contracts. The LAST thing ABC wants is for FOX (or any other Network) to steal their Flagship Conference away from them in the most densely populated area of the Country.

As for Oklahoma, the odds are very good that they (and probably Kansas) will be numbers 15 and 16 anyway once their GOR runs out.

 

[pandaczar12]

If they don't like it, they can leave!

 

[wilbury]

https://www.offtackleempire.com/201...ten-is-screwing-them-out-of-money-jim-delaney

You won’t believe this, but the New Jersey media thinks Rutgers is getting a bum deal from the Big Ten.

No, this is not satire...

That’s exactly what Steve Politi, who writes for NJ.com, says. He believes Rutgers got screwed by the Big Ten. He points out that Michigan, Ohio State, Indiana, et al. will receive $51.1 million thanks to the new B1G television contract.

Rutgers only gets $11.6 million this year. As Politi laments:

…in the long-term, the Scarlet Knights will reap the benefits of these massive paydays. For now, though, they're lining up against Michigan and Ohio State with one-fifth of the revenue from the league.

Turns out, he’s not the only beat writer for NJ.com that grinds this axe. Keith Sargeant wrote a piece last year that came to the same conclusion. He points out that Rutgers agreed to a six-year integration plan into the B1G (exactly like Nebraska and Maryland). However, Rutgers isn’t in line for a big chunk of the TV money windfall. He’s upset that the existing members of the B1G will make five times more money than Rutgers (and Maryland) through 2021.

When asked if the B1G could financially help out Rutgers, Delany didn’t pull any punches:

No, because there's an academic integration plan, a competitive integration plan, and a financial integration plan,'' Delany told NJ Advance Media on Oct. 9, 2015. "Basically our goal was to keep our (traditional) institutions whole, to keep the (new) institutions coming in whole relative to where they were, and then at a certain point in time they'll become a full member of the conference.

In other words, the deal is six years to full member. Wait your ****ing turn. In essence, both Politi and Sargeant want to renegotiate Rutgers’ contract. The problem is, the product – Rutgers itself – is totally shit.

The school should be making more money, because it is pulling in much higher quality teams. They don’t get these kinds of teams from the Big East or the AAC. They have Ohio State, Michigan State, Washington and Purdue at home this year. Those games should be sellouts. Ticket sales should be soaring...

Except the product on the field is trash. This is a bad football program. It’s a bad sports school. And it’s a bad fit for the Big Ten. So, how in the hell can these media pundits justify Rutgers getting more money? Nobody wants to watch them play football...not even their own fans.

At this point, it isn’t about getting them more money, it’s about how much we could improve the B1G product by just letting them go. Let’s think about it, what has Rutgers done since they’ve entered the conference? They’ve been last or in the bottom quartile of nearly every single sport they compete in.

It’s not like they are middling in a majority and bad in others, they are awful in over 90% of the sports they compete in. The two sports that rake in the cash? Last.

Sport the east coast schools should be good at? Can’t make the tournament because the two other new schools are better than you. Big Ten speciality women's volleyball? Last, and not even close.

While this may appear to support Politi’s point of needing more money, it doesn't. Rutgers isn’t worth the $11.6M they’re being paid currently given the product on the fields. And they want more, and early, to do what with it?

Let me put this to you in a more Jersey-esque way...get the **** outta here. Rutgers should be paying us to join the B1G. That’s why it’s a six year buy in. This is a blue chip league. Rutgers ain’t a blue chip team.

Wait, they are for real pissed that they're getting gradually increasing payments? As if they didn't know that would happen? As if it didn't happen to Nebraska (so they could have seen how it would look, if they were curious)? As if being geographically close to NYC means anyone there or anywhere else gives two shits about their team or watching them? They could be located in a remote area of Nevada and have the same amount of viewers.

As if it was somehow sold to them that the Big Ten's purpose in taking them was to turn them into OSU 2.0?

So it was not only not an unfair or unprecedented deal, but one which they fully consented to. And now that they wish it was a different deal, it's the Big Ten's fault that they don't cut them a new, super awesome one, in spite of them finishing last in nearly every sport?

What in the **** is in their water out there that leads to this kind of self-delusion? They should donate their bodies to science at some other Big Ten school so that they can study if its an environmental influence or chromosomal disorder or what.

Just to reiterate: you guys signed a contract, the same one Nebraska did. Dont act disingenous and claim youre getting a shitty deal. And if you guys dont want to be mocked, improve the performance on the field and stop being scandalous. Until then, Buttgers, the mockery and beatings will continue.

Go home Rutgers, and be thankful Delany made the cash grab for TV money and you’ll eventually get your piece of the pie. Go sit quietly in the corner because you know you got a sweet deal that far outweighs the sports value you bring to this conference, which is generally a ****ing drag on everyone's strength of schedule because of how terrible you are.

Your Friends,

Townie , LPW, and DJ

If it wasn't for articles like this, I'd forget that Rutgers was even in this conference.

 

[pandaczar12]

If it wasn't for articles like this, I'd forget that Rutgers was even in this conference.

I often forget that Rutgers and Pitt are different things.