The Penn State Perspective vs The Iowa Perspective

[amalone]

http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-wrestl/recaps/020516aab.html

Penn State's Sports Information people talk about winning with up tempo wrestling and in Cael's interview he references March three times and his wrestlers echo that sentiment while Tom Ryan calls Cael... "The biggest hire in Collegiate Coaching history".

http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-wrestl/recaps/020516aaa.html

While Iowa's Sports Information people are proclaiming... The second-ranked University of Iowa wrestling team clinched at least a share of the Big Ten regular season championship with a 45-0 win over No. 20 Indiana on Friday at Carver-Hawkeye Arena. And there's a picture of Iowa's team in their championship tee shirts and championship hats.

http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-wrestl/iowa-m-wrestl-body.html

Not a peep out of Penn State about being co-champs or winning any championship at all. NO Championship tee shirts or championship hats made. Just talk of March. No photo op at Penn State with Championship anything.

And couldn't have Iowa Sports Information people also named the Iowa Hawkeyes... the All Big Ten "Happy Bunch" with all those sullen, morose looking faces or the Big Ten Championship All-Camo team??)

Somewhere Jammer is jealous that Iowa got tee shirts... and all Penn State is going to get is a National Championship trophy and a legacy of a continued dynasty in the making and being wrestling legends.

 

[Lattner]

Couldn't sleep obsessing about Iowa?

 

[Chickenman Testa]

http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-wrestl/recaps/020516aab.html

Penn State's Sports Information people talk about winning with up tempo wrestling and in Cael's interview he references March three times and his wrestlers echo that sentiment while Tom Ryan calls Cael... "The biggest hire in Collegiate Coaching history".

http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-wrestl/recaps/020516aaa.html

While Iowa's Sports Information people are proclaiming... The second-ranked University of Iowa wrestling team clinched at least a share of the Big Ten regular season championship with a 45-0 win over No. 20 Indiana on Friday at Carver-Hawkeye Arena. And there's a picture of Iowa's team in their championship tee shirts and championship hats.

http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-wrestl/iowa-m-wrestl-body.html

Not a peep out of Penn State about being co-champs or winning any championship at all. NO Championship tee shirts or championship hats made. Just talk of March. No photo op at Penn State with Championship anything.

And couldn't have Iowa Sports Information people also named the Iowa Hawkeyes... the All Big Ten "Happy Bunch" with all those sullen, morose looking faces or the Big Ten Championship All-Camo team??)

Somewhere Jammer is jealous that Iowa got tee shirts... and all Penn State is going to get is a National Championship trophy and a legacy of a continued dynasty in the making and being wrestling legends.

All that said, while a formality, don't we have the Fighting Minkel's left before we officially tie Iowa in the Big 10 standings?

 

[dunkej01]

Agree w CMt....we'll have similar info after MSU match

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Agree w CMt....we'll have similar info after MSU match

Although iowa clearly had one of the weakest schedules in the b1g this year - they didn't wrestle either PSU or tO$U which are probably the two strongest duals teams in the conference this year. Iowa is probably a little stronger tournament team than tO$U, but I'm not even sure about that - guess we'll find out in a few weeks.

 

[nitlion6]

Although iowa clearly had one of the weakest schedules in the b1g this year - they didn't wrestle either PSU or tO$U which are probably the two strongest duals teams in the conference this year. Iowa is probably a little stronger tournament team than tO$U, but I'm not even sure about that - guess we'll find out in a few weeks.

Ohio State would not beat Iowa in a dual this year nor are they going to outpace the Hawks in the B1Gs or the NCAAs.
Iowa is the biggest threat to PSU. At the NCAAs the two OSUs will battle Cornell and Lehigh for third place.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

Ohio State would not beat Iowa in a dual this year nor are they going to outpace the Hawks in the B1Gs or the NCAAs.
Iowa is the biggest threat to PSU. At the NCAAs the two OSUs will battle Cornell and Lehigh for third place.

Really? I think tO$U probably wins at 25, 41, 57, 65 and HWT. 74 and 84 are toss ups. 25 and 41 Iowa would be a solid favorite but not a dead lock by any means. Iowa wins 97. Still say tO$U takes this dual (believe tO$U was missing several starters, including Snyder, when they lost to scUM).

 

[Flying_Tiger]

OSU is the biggest threat to Penn State at nationals, not Iowa (or tOSU). I think people are losing site at just how weak the Hawks schedule is. Half their lineup may not AA and the ones that do won't be scoring a lot of bonus. That being said, Kilmara and Crutchmer got upset last night at Bedlam so maybe there is no real threat .

Grothus (unranked)
Cooper (#18)
Rhodes (unranked)
Meyer (#10)
Brooks (#11)/Stoll (#7)

 

[nitlion6]

Really? I think tO$U probably wins at 25, 41, 57, 65 and HWT. 74 and 84 are toss ups. 25 and 41 Iowa would be a solid favorite but not a dead lock by any means. Iowa wins 97. Still say tO$U takes this dual (believe tO$U was missing several starters, including Snyder, when they lost to scUM).

Iowa wins 133, 149, 184 and 197.
Ohio State wins 141, 165.
Heavyweight is Ohio State's if Snyder wrestles, Iowa's other wise.
125 and 157 are tossups with slight Ohio St leans, and 174 is a straight up toss up.

So yeah, if everything falls perfectly for Ohio State they could possibly squeak one out. However, how often does everything fall perfectly for one team especially considering the other team is generally speaking the tougher group?

 

[Flying_Tiger]

Why wouldn't Snyder wrestle? Of course he does and smokes Stoll like Gwiz did.

Nato is the favorite until prover otherwise. Gilman beating up on sub-par competition isn't evidence of anything. Nato has wins over Dance and Mega this year and is the defending champ.

 

[James P. Whitters III]

Really? I think tO$U probably wins at 25, 41, 57, 65 and HWT. 74 and 84 are toss ups. 25 and 41 Iowa would be a solid favorite but not a dead lock by any means. Iowa wins 97. Still say tO$U takes this dual (believe tO$U was missing several starters, including Snyder, when they lost to scUM).

125 is a toss up and I really do believe TG wins. 174 scares me, but 184 Brooks is simply better than Courts (yes I know the whole AA last year thing). Cutch scares me waaay more than Courts. 157 is another weight I think Iowa would win. You also have to figure Tom Ryan sitting at least one starter we haven't even taken into account. He does these things. Maybe with a short bus ride, and a way above average official tosu would have a chance. I would, however, favor you guys in a dual over Iowa. I do think it could be 5-5 but bonus would be too much. 6-4 PSU is more likely I guess. Either way we will have to take the tie.

 

[ejb25]

Don't we still have to beat MSU to claim co-champs?

 

[James P. Whitters III]

Don't we still have to beat MSU to claim co-champs?

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict you guys slipping past MSU.

 

[nitlion6]

OSU is the biggest threat to Penn State at nationals, not Iowa (or tOSU). I think people are losing site at just how weak the Hawks schedule is. Half their lineup may not AA and the ones that do won't be scoring a lot of bonus. That being said, Kilmara and Crutchmer got upset last night at Bedlam so maybe there is no real threat .

Grothus (unranked)
Cooper (#18)
Rhodes (unranked)
Meyer (#10)
Brooks (#11)/Stoll (#7)

Tiger,
Of course you could be right, but every time I work through different scenarios I get PSU first, Iowa second and Okie State third. If I give the Ohio nature nuts every benefit I get them competing with the Cowboys for third.
The Hawks' schedule may not be overly stressful but they beat Okie State and won the Midlands.
Besides that. Until proven otherwise I always consider Iowa to be the threat.

 

[Flying_Tiger]

Here's Intermat's team rankings based off the individual rankings that are based off of 3 months of results:

1. Penn State 122.5
2 Oklahoma State 103.5
3 Ohio State 88
4 Iowa 83.5

Keep in mind bonus is not factored in.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

125 is a toss up and I really do believe TG wins. 174 scares me, but 184 Brooks is simply better than Courts (yes I know the whole AA last year thing). Cutch scares me waaay more than Courts. 157 is another weight I think Iowa would win. You also have to figure Tom Ryan sitting at least one starter we haven't even taken into account. He does these things. Maybe with a short bus ride, and a way above average official tosu would have a chance. I would, however, favor you guys in a dual over Iowa. I do think it could be 5-5 but bonus would be too much. 6-4 PSU is more likely I guess. Either way we will have to take the tie.

Nice! The short bus ride and above average official was classic! Got a good chuckle out of that - thanks. Agree with you, that it might be 5-5 @CHA, but would go with a 6-4 match advantage to PSU @BJC. Bonus would be hugely in PSU's favor. I'd go with a similar final score to what we saw yesterday.

 

[nitlion6]

Here's Intermat's team rankings based off the individual rankings that are based off of 3 months of results:

1. Penn State 122.5
2 Oklahoma State 103.5
3 Ohio State 88
4 Iowa 83.5

Keep in mind bonus is not factored in.

I did not post, based on how intermat figured it. I posted based on how I worked through it.
Also, I will reiterate it - I pretty much assume Iowa is the biggest threat until proven they aren't.

 

[James P. Whitters III]

Numbers can lie at times. I don't think Iowa is finishing behind Ohio State this year. I ran my numbers and came up different than any ranking service. I will do it again after the bracket is out.
1. PSU 108
2. Iowa 99
3.OSU 92.5
4.TOSU 87
5. Mizzu 83.5
6. Cornell 77

I plugged my AA guys in based on my extremely biased rankings and added a few bonus points here and there. You guys are in great shape because I didn't figure anything for NN. If he comes back any points he scores you can throw on the top. I don't see how anybody beats PSU barring an injury or someone from Iowa or OSU way over performing.

 

[El-Jefe]

Why wouldn't Snyder wrestle? Of course he does and smokes Stoll like Gwiz did.

Nato is the favorite until prover otherwise. Gilman beating up on sub-par competition isn't evidence of anything. Nato has wins over Dance and Mega this year and is the defending champ.

Why wouldn't Snyder wrestle in a hypothetical dual vs. Iowa? Well, if it were last week, Snyder was in Russia for a freestyle tournament. That's pretty far away to engage the opponent, even by Nick Heflin standards.

 

[James P. Whitters III]

125- Nico 3
133- JC 5
141-JG 12
149-Zain 1
157-Nolf 1
165 PSU 15
174 Bo 1
184 Cutch 8
197 MM 2
285 NR

These rankings are not fair, but rather where I have guys placing. I might have been wrong every other year, but this year I feel lucky.

 

[James P. Whitters III]

Nice! The short bus ride and above average official was classic! Got a good chuckle out of that - thanks. Agree with you, that it might be 5-5 @CHA, but would go with a 6-4 match advantage to PSU @BJC. Bonus would be hugely in PSU's favor. I'd go with a similar final score to what we saw yesterday.

With great sadness I agree. We would have to catch fire to win. I still would love the chance to try.

 

[Flying_Tiger]

Why wouldn't Snyder wrestle in a hypothetical dual vs. Iowa? Well, if it were last week, Snyder was in Russia for a freestyle tournament. That's pretty far away to engage the opponent, even by Nick Heflin standards.

Clearly Ryan would of scheduled this fantasy dual when Snyder was available.

 

[jack66]

Ohio State would not beat Iowa in a dual this year nor are they going to outpace the Hawks in the B1Gs or the NCAAs.
Iowa is the biggest threat to PSU. At the NCAAs the two OSUs will battle Cornell and Lehigh for third place.

I'm not sure I agree at Big Tens ... OSU brings a lot of star power. As it looks right now they will have at least 3 and maybe 4 #1 seeds at Bigs. I don't think they have the depth to threaten at nationals, but at the B10 tourney guys like Ryan, JDJ and Courts could potentially finish top 4.

The Hawks are unlikely to have any #1 seeds. Certainly though, they have more depth along with several #2 & #3 seeds who could end up atop the podium.

I could see a scenario where we might not win the conference tourney, then run away at nationals.

 

[amalone]

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict you guys slipping past MSU.

As James is saying... it's a foregone conclusion that Penn State obliterates MSU. Thought that was a given in anyone's mind who follows collegiate wrestling.

 

[amalone]

Couldn't sleep obsessing about Iowa?

NO... very important point of perspective for both teams.

 

[El-Jefe]

I'm not sure I agree at Big Tens ... OSU brings a lot of star power. As it looks right now they will have at least 3 and maybe 4 #1 seeds at Bigs. I don't think they have the depth to threaten at nationals, but at the B10 tourney guys like Ryan, JDJ and Courts could potentially finish top 4.

The Hawks are unlikely to have any #1 seeds. Certainly though, they have more depth along with several #2 & #3 seeds who could end up atop the podium.

I could see a scenario where we might not win the conference tourney, then run away at nationals.

Black Shoe Diaries did a good preview of B10 seeding projections last week: http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2016/1/27/10832888/big-ten-wrestling-tournament-seeding

Tomasello will get the #1 seed. Micah is the lone 141 undefeated in conference action, so he'll also get a #1 unless he gets upset vs. Wisky.

BoJo is a maybe. He gets Cousin Ike next week, winner will get the #1 seed. Ike won their only match last year. If B10s were today, Ike would get the #1 seed -- they're both undefeated in conference and overall, but Bo will have had far fewer overall matches (his 174 matches do not exist for seeding purposes).

Coon is undefeated, will get the #1 seed at 285. I would personally seed Snyder #2, but there is an argument for seeding Stoll #2 -- he's undefeated in conference after a full season.

After that, their next highest conference seed will probably be 4th or 5th.

 

[jammenz]

Not a peep out of Penn State about being co-champs or winning any championship at all. NO Championship tee shirts or championship hats made.
Somewhere Jammer is jealous that Iowa got tee shirts...

Penn State is not co-champs yet. If PSU beats Michigan State they will have won their 5th B1G title. Minny has been B1G champs 10 times.

 

[James P. Whitters III]

and the French were once considered a world power.

 

[jschrantz]

Penn State is not co-champs yet. If PSU beats Michigan State they will have won their 5th B1G title. Minny has been B1G champs 10 times.

Hope we can beat Sparty

 

[BruceK-PSU83]

As James is saying... it's a foregone conclusion that Penn State obliterates MSU. Thought that was a given in anyone's mind who follows collegiate wrestling.

Yeah, but you don't make an announcement to crow about being co-champs until that last dual meet is actually won. That's only logical, right?

 

[WildTurk]

Yet another Iowa hate thread started by Amalonie. You upset that your have to share title with Iowa? As far as dynasty's go, Iowa has one. PSU is trying to build one

 

[dunkej01]

Answer this...when was the last time the Hawks didnt have any #1 seeds at B1$

Which looks to be the case this year.

 

[El-Jefe]

Yet another Iowa hate thread started by Amalonie. You upset that your have to share title with Iowa? As far as dynasty's go, Iowa has one. PSU is trying to build one

You gotta give us some slack here. We're kinda new at this sharinig titles thing, though we can look to Iowa for some lessons on how to properly do it.

 

[diggerpup]

Look at all those Happy Hawkeye faces.
What a meltdown on Sunday afternoon at B1Gs

Iowa had it in the bag.

Gillman lost to NATO.
Jebba understandably had nothing for Logan
Sorenson lost to Tshirt

And after Issac upset Cousin Bo & McIntosh upset Snyder, handing it to Iowa.....
.... Burak lost 3rd place to Schiller & Telford blew a comfortable lead to McMullen

No one wanted the team title last year.

 

[Flying_Tiger]

Just think, if Cutch didn't med forfeit against Brooks, tOSU would of won it outright.

 

[Nitfan]

Penn State is not co-champs yet. If PSU beats Michigan State they will have won their 5th B1G title. Minny has been B1G champs 10 times.

BACK TO ANCIENT HISTORY !! How has Minny done the last 5 years? Not so much huh?

 

[lionlover]

Yet another Iowa hate thread started by Amalonie. You upset that your have to share title with Iowa? As far as dynasty's go, Iowa has one. PSU is trying to build one

Actually, when you look at current events... instead of ancient history, Iowa had one and PSU has built one.

 

[Azchief32]

Last year when they tied with tOSU for the tourney championship, they got sh*t for all looking glum in a pic of the trophy presentation...we weren't fun. Now, we are soooo satisfied with a share of the dual title. Plus, PSU gets their TShirts next week.

 

[WildTurk]

Guess that means my 1st grader is getting old! So ancient. .

 

[RoarLions1]

I'm not sure I agree at Big Tens ... OSU brings a lot of star power. As it looks right now they will have at least 3 and maybe 4 #1 seeds at Bigs. I don't think they have the depth to threaten at nationals, but at the B10 tourney guys like Ryan, JDJ and Courts could potentially finish top 4.

The Hawks are unlikely to have any #1 seeds. Certainly though, they have more depth along with several #2 & #3 seeds who could end up atop the podium.

I could see a scenario where we might not win the conference tourney, then run away at nationals.

It's rankings-based, but the model I use has tOSU within 10 points of PSU, not counting bonus, and 30 points less at NCAA's.