Finebaum not only calls for the end of Harbaugh's NCAA career but casts a shadow for NFL coaching as well.
This deserves its own thread: Michigan/CMU sideline scandal thread.
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Stallions was an intern in 2018 on UM’s staff when McElwain Was at UM. They know each other….lol
This is paywalled, but the headline tells you all you need to know:
94% of college football coaches say Michigan crossed a line. What else do they say about sign-stealing?
How bad are the Michigan cheating allegations? Does Jim Harbaugh have plausible deniability? Our CFB coaches poll reveals that and more.
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Coaches aren't the ones that decide--they literally have zero say in itThis is paywalled, but the headline tells you all you need to know:
39 out of 50 coaches asked rated it as a big deal or very big deal (4 or 5 out of 5)94% of college football coaches say Michigan crossed a line. What else do they say about sign-stealing?
How bad are the Michigan cheating allegations? Does Jim Harbaugh have plausible deniability? Our CFB coaches poll reveals that and more.
Cool that you completely missed the point. No, coaches do not decide, but for every UM fan (including you) trying to make it sound like this isn't a big deal, it is.
Wow, that is really surprising. Finebaum kind of represents SEC thinking. His initial no-big-deal reaction was more along the lines of what I'd expect.
I get that Harbaugh has no integrity, he breaks rules whenever he thinks he can get away with it. But I still don't quite get why this is is such a big deal. Sign-stealing is part of football and basically legal.
What Harbaugh does is just devoting more resources to sign-stealing and doing it better. I don't see it as a quantum-leap kind of thing but maybe it is.
Seriously, you don’t see the difference between picking up a couple of signs in game vs (illegally) scouting in person to compile a cheat sheet of all of your competitors signs?
It's one thing to guess during the game from observing signs and situations. It's another thing to have it all figured out before you set foot in the stadium. This seems like it would be a huge advantage on defense. Especially on critical 3rd and 4th-down plays.
B10: Nothing to see here, just move on to The Game.
The sign stealing isn't illegal. Doing that during a game or from all 22 or TV footage is fine.
However, it is NOT legal to in person scout and opponents game.
It is also not legal to video an opponents game.
That's how they were getting the signs.
Now I'm a Michigan fan? What's happening?
I've never once said it wasn't a big deal. I'm dealing with reality and how little power the NCAA actually has and how little incentive the Big Ten has to take action. I don't care what happens to Michigan. Just being honest...try it sometime.
This is huge because they scouted several games of each opponent. So they have records of all their signals/signs. Even if a team alternates games or changes some it’s almost impossible to have entirely new signals for each game.
Modern offenses are very complex. Multiple sets, lots of motion, audibles, routes depending on D coverage. How do you have different signals for all that for every game? It would take days just to learn the signals and match them up with any calls. And only 20 hrs/ wk permitted.
Another thought…..remember a year or two ago there was all this talk that somehow our offense was tipping its plays? Somehow opponents knew pass or run? Hmmmnnn …..
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Yeah, tell Bill Belicheck (sp) its legal to steal signs, even though its the NFL, he and the Patriots got whacked. Lets see how many commitments Harbaugh and the UM football team loses. Best guess "0"
I believe the Patriots were doing it during a live game, not sending scouts to games prior to like UM.
I believe the Patriots were doing it during a live game, not sending scouts to games prior to like UM.
The difference is finding a $100 bill and keeping it versus planning and robbing a store for their cash!!!
If that's really what that is (and I'll be honest with you, I don't see the blue dot in any of the other photos of the CMU game in question), that is a) hilarious and b) extremely damning to UM.
Yeah, I have no idea. Saw it on another board (non Big Ten) and just posted it here.
Josh Pate did post a video where you see the blue light appear. It just seems like you'd also see it on the stills. Unless he was literally just turning it on before each play to grab the signs and then turning it off until the next play. My spycraft is not up to snuff...lol.
Yeah , was wonder. Time outs, commercial breaks, penalties, qtr/half time. Lots of breaks in game. And video takes a lot if storage.
Question: do these glasses store data internally or on cell phone/notebook/laptop/cloud?
Based on a quick internet search, they seem to have internal memory cards. But some are enough to store 90 minutes of video. Maybe enough to only turn it off during halftime and TV timeouts. IDK, not convinced that's what we are looking at here, but certainly possible.
What is taking CMU so long to tell us that this is Connor Stallions? They probably know that they are in a bad situation here. Thamel says for this VB "Visitor Bench" pass, the one that Stallions had, the AD and head coach must sign off on this.
What do you think the tweet changes?
You asked why it was taking them so long. I asked what do they have to gain by saying anything (meaning confirming) which your tweet supports. They'll investigate as long as they want to. What advantage is it to them to say something sooner? Right? Like do they get a cookie or a hug? What does it do for them?
They literally said that they are going to report it. So your comment of what do they have to gain is meaningless. They are going to report it, just what is taking so long? Stop arguing just to argue.
No, I'm not. You wanted to know what's taking so long. The answer is there's no benefit to them for rushing. What do they gain?
You have to be able to follow that. If you're CMU what is in it for you? It like a work (if you still work) no one does anything for the good of others--you have to sell them on how it benefits them and their group/deparment.
This isn't even an argument. CMU is in no rush because they gain nothing from it. Right?
They literally are going to report it as they said. So wtf does they have to gain have any merit??? They literally said they are investigating it. My lord.
I never said they weren't. Again, you asked what was taking so long. The answer is simple...they have no incentive to say anything especially quickly. You don't think they're talking to their lawyers and covering their own asses?
They have no incentive to see how a Michigan coach got onto their coaching sideline? Wild.
You don't think they knew he was a Michigan coach when they allowed him on the sideline?
Is this real life?
CMU head coach McElwain said that they didn't have a record of Stallions getting a pass. So they had someone put a fake name or something on that pass. Seems pretty obvious that McElwain was involved with this and now is trying to cover it up.
Because as Thamel reported, on this "VB" pass that Stallions had, the AD and head coach must sign off on this. McElwain obviously knows who Stallions is so its not like he gave him a fake id or something.
The AD is involved in this as well so lets see if they try and continue to cover this up.
Because as Thamel reported, on this "VB" pass that Stallions had, the AD and head coach must sign off on this. McElwain obviously knows who Stallions is so its not like he gave him a fake id or something.
The AD is involved in this as well so lets see if they try and continue to cover this up.
That’s just because the sec doesn’t want to play Michigan.
Paul Finebaum calls it 'inexcusable' the Big Ten hasn't punished Michigan, Jim Harbaugh
ESPN personality Paul Finebaum said it's 'inexcusable' the Big Ten hasn't punished Jim Harbaugh or Michigan over the sign-stealing scandal.www.on3.com
SEC media starting to turn now.
Sure - they’re scared of the one elite program whose execrable bowl record sticks out like a sore thumb.
Might be.
I think it's probably more along the lines of letting somebody else do the dirty work and seeing how it turns out.
Heck, might be sec programs guilty of the same.
Connor Stalions is the greatest gift to the Big Ten Community, and College football in general. UM has been mostly mediocre for two decades and certainly not elite for 70 years. They are the most insufferable arrogant fan-base and think BT/CFP can't survive without almighty Wolverines. The posts on M Go forum are straight up delusional. "Big Ten has no grounds to punish us" "They better not do it or we will leave for SEC, or even better independent like ND". Of course there was this one "look at the PSU molestation scandal. The BT did nothing " Imagine skipping right over your own molestation scandal with Bo/Anderson , with half billion in settlement where Bo's own son claimed that he knew about Anderson molesting him at 10. Media let them off hook and arrogant d-bags move right past it. Here is a gem of thought which typical of fanbase. The CMU picture is now the hilarious hook needed to give story bizarre angle that sports media can run with. The name is priceless too. You could not pick a better one for a scandal to bring down UM.
Thanks Connor you cheating UM fanboy nutjob. This will be fun.
He is so full of sh&t - you have no idea who is on your sideline and no one bothered to ask who is this guy? complete BS just trying to CYA because he knows he's burned and it didn't take long to find all his UW ties.
