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This whole Playoff System needs to be fixed.

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The structure is ridiculously inequitable - you have the #1 Team in the entire Bracket playing a team in the Quarterfinals, that they shouldn't have to face via their CFP Selection Ranking until the Finals! (duhO$U is #6 in the Final CFP Selection Rankings). Ditto #2 UGa - they are getting a Semi-Final quality matchup via Final CFP Selection Rankings in the Quarters. Two teams that should have played in the 1st RD via their Final CFP Selection Ranking (#9 and #12) have been given byes into the 2nd RD??? And the #11 team via the Final CFP Selection Rankings has been eliminated without ever playing a game.

The economics of this thing are also not sustainable imo - no fanbase is going to travel to three different Bowl Games in the span of 3 weeks to attend a Quarterfinal, Semifinal and Final Game. This aspect has not been well thought out just like the structure. It's frankly stupid, just like the structure, and likely created to placate the "5 Major Bowls" - no way this works longterm imo. They should just fully populate a 16 Team Bracket and have the lower ranked team play at the higher ranked team through the "College Super Bowl". Let the 5 Major Bowls rotate every 5 years for the "College Super Bowl" and just sponsor a non-playoff game in the other years
 
The structure is ridiculously inequitable - you have the #1 Team in the entire Bracket playing a team in the Quarterfinals, that they shouldn't have to face via their CFP Selection Ranking until the Finals! (duhO$U is #6 in the Final CFP Selection Rankings). Ditto #2 UGa - they are getting a Semi-Final quality matchup via Final CFP Selection Rankings in the Quarters. Two teams that should have played in the 1st RD via their Final CFP Selection Ranking (#9 and #12) have been given byes into the 2nd RD??? And the #11 team via the Final CFP Selection Rankings has been eliminated without ever playing a game.

The economics of this thing are also not sustainable imo - no fanbase is going to travel to three different Bowl Games in the span of 3 weeks to attend a Quarterfinal, Semifinal and Final Game. This aspect has not been well thought out just like the structure. It's frankly stupid, just like the structure, and likely created to placate the "5 Major Bowls" - no way this works longterm imo. They should just fully populate a 16 Team Bracket and have the lower ranked team play at the higher ranked team through the "College Super Bowl". Let the 5 Major Bowls rotate every 5 years for the "College Super Bowl" and just sponsor a non-playoff game in the other years
Not like they didn't have a model to create a playoffs with re-seeding and playing home games most of the way.

oh wait......
 
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Agree the current model needs tweeked but I do like the current 12-team model.

The one complaint that many fans are complaining about are the conference champions getting an automatic bye - specifically Boise State and ASU. Need proof? #3 Boise is an 11 point underdog to #6 PSU and #5 Texas is a 13 point favorite against #4 ASU. And #1 Oregon - who should get the easiest draws - gets to play #8 OSU.....OSU is a 2.5 favorite.

That whole scenario is screwed up. Not saying that the conference champions shouldn't get byes but just don't give the lower ranked and weaker ones an auto bye like Boise and ASU. Make them play in the 1st round
 
Not like they didn't have a model to create a playoffs with re-seeding and playing home games most of the way.

oh wait......

Why do you have to "re-seed"??? The only reason they would have to "re-seed" is the fact that they needlessly "re-seeded" the Final CFP Selection Rankings giving such that the #12 and #9 teams didn't even have to play a 1st RD Game??? And the #11 team was eliminated without playing a game.

It's all utterly unnecessary - just fully seeding a 16-Team Bracket (which doesn't extend the Playoffs a single day) and having the lower ranked team play at the home field of the higher ranked team is plenty of reward for finishing as a top seed (i.e., #1 playing #16 @home is a huge reward and advantage) and solves 100% of the issues here (there is no need to unnecessarily mess with the seeding in both the 1st and 2nd round, etc.... - winner of #8 v #9 would play winner of #1 v #16 in 2nd RD).

The whole going to 3 Bowls in a 3-week span to see your team play is just beyond absurd and makes no sense whatsoever.
 
I think it is too much. It should simply be a final 8 of 5 conference champs and 3 at larges.

8 does not work with 5 Conference Auto-bids. First of all, it essentially assumes all Conference Champions are on equal footing - which is absurd when you have this many Conferences across 134 FBS teams.... all playing wholly disparate schedules! Then you have the issue that many of these Conference Champions had no better records than other Conferences' 2nd, 3rd and 4th place teams. No way an 8-Team model works with 5 Conference Champ auto-bids - this would have eliminated duhO$U from this year's Playoff (yea, the duhO$U who is currently a 2.5 point favorite over the #1 ranked team.).
 
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8 does not work with 5 Conference Auto-bids. First of all, it essentially assumes all Conference Champions are on equal footing - which is absurd when you have this many Conferences across 134 FBS teams.... all playing wholly disparate schedules! Then you have the issue that many of these Conference Champions had no better records than other Conferences' 2nd, 3rd and 4th place teams. No way an 8-Team model works with 5 Conference Champ auto-bids - this would have eliminated duhO$U from this year's Playoff (yea, the duhO$U who is currently a 2.5 point favorite over the #1 ranked team.).
Well that unfortunately is tough luck for them. They should not have crapped their pants vs Michigan. I personally would go simply top 8 but that is not going to fly with the group of 5 schools or even the big 12 and acc who are all part of these negotiations. Anything above 8 in college football is ridiculous. Most importantly, it’s highly unlikely anybody beyond the top 8 has any real shot winning at all. Secondly, it’s just too many games. You get to the point where the healthiest team wins rather than the best.
 
Not like they didn't have a model to create a playoffs with re-seeding and playing home games most of the way.

oh wait......

Why do you need to "re-seed" the Final CFP Rankings for the 1st RD such that you give 1st RD byes to the #12 and #9 teams??? This is what caused the supposed need for "Re-Seeding" in the 2nd RD??? IOW, the absurd re-seeding in the 1st RD is specifically what caused the supposed need for creating re-seeding in the 2nd RD??? LMAO. If you just fully populated the 16-Team Bracket with the Final CFP Selection Rankings, it avoids all of this absurd, unnecessary nonsense and creates proper 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and Final Round matchups (it also doesn't eliminate the #11 Ranked Team without ever playing a game in favor of the #16 Final CFP Selection Ranked team).
 
The structure is ridiculously inequitable - you have the #1 Team in the entire Bracket playing a team in the Quarterfinals, that they shouldn't have to face via their CFP Selection Ranking until the Finals! (duhO$U is #6 in the Final CFP Selection Rankings). Ditto #2 UGa - they are getting a Semi-Final quality matchup via Final CFP Selection Rankings in the Quarters. Two teams that should have played in the 1st RD via their Final CFP Selection Ranking (#9 and #12) have been given byes into the 2nd RD??? And the #11 team via the Final CFP Selection Rankings has been eliminated without ever playing a game.

The economics of this thing are also not sustainable imo - no fanbase is going to travel to three different Bowl Games in the span of 3 weeks to attend a Quarterfinal, Semifinal and Final Game. This aspect has not been well thought out just like the structure. It's frankly stupid, just like the structure, and likely created to placate the "5 Major Bowls" - no way this works longterm imo. They should just fully populate a 16 Team Bracket and have the lower ranked team play at the higher ranked team through the "College Super Bowl". Let the 5 Major Bowls rotate every 5 years for the "College Super Bowl" and just sponsor a non-playoff game in the other years
Limit the playoffs to 8 teams. P4 winners + 4 at large.
 
Well that unfortunately is tough luck for them. They should not have crapped their pants vs Michigan. I personally would go simply top 8 but that is not going to fly with the group of 5 schools or even the big 12 and acc who are all part of these negotiations. Anything above 8 in college football is ridiculous. Most importantly, it’s highly unlikely anybody beyond the top 8 has any real shot winning at all. Secondly, it’s just too many games. You get to the point where the healthiest team wins rather than the best.

More complete nonsense - there are 134 FBS schools, 8 is 6% of that Universe (i.e., 6 of every 100); this would be far-&-away the most restrictive playoff of any sport, at any level, and by many times over.

Your claim is further disproved by the fact that 12-1 Boise State (2nd best record in nation) is #9 in the Final CFP Selection Rankings and they're only loss this season is to undefeated and #1 Ranked Oregon on a last second FG by Oregon. ASU is 11-2 (one of the best records in the nation) has yet to even play so we have no idea how good they are.

Utter nonsense that D1A CFB should have the most restrictive Playoff by a factor of like 5 - even a 16-Team Playoff is more restrictive many times over.
 
Well that unfortunately is tough luck for them. They should not have crapped their pants vs Michigan. I personally would go simply top 8 but that is not going to fly with the group of 5 schools or even the big 12 and acc who are all part of these negotiations. Anything above 8 in college football is ridiculous. Most importantly, it’s highly unlikely anybody beyond the top 8 has any real shot winning at all. Secondly, it’s just too many games. You get to the point where the healthiest team wins rather than the best.
Eliminate CCGs and double the field. Everyone wins. There's no guarantee ant playoff format regardless of the number of teams is going to be competitive. We're just wasting time until we inevitably hit 24 anyway. Just like the past several decades were a joke.
 
I feel I like the conference championship games are the complicating factor. By its nature teams are forced to play an additional game. Do the conference winners deserve some sort of reward, or just the opportunity to hang a banner in their stadium?
 
Eliminate CCGs and double the field. Everyone wins. There's no guarantee ant playoff format regardless of the number of teams is going to be competitive. We're just wasting time until we inevitably hit 24 anyway. Just like the past several decades were a joke.
We will most certainly have more, not less.

I don’t think we are wasting time now, but it will also be better. And The last three decades were utterly ridiculous.
 
8 does not work with 5 Conference Auto-bids. First of all, it essentially assumes all Conference Champions are on equal footing - which is absurd when you have this many Conferences across 134 FBS teams.... all playing wholly disparate schedules! Then you have the issue that many of these Conference Champions had no better records than other Conferences' 2nd, 3rd and 4th place teams. No way an 8-Team model works with 5 Conference Champ auto-bids - this would have eliminated duhO$U from this year's Playoff (yea, the duhO$U who is currently a 2.5 point favorite over the #1 ranked team.).
You nailed it and I think everyone is seeing the problem now. The Mountain West champ Boise State getting a bye over runner-ups and 3rd place teams from powerful conferences like the B1G and SEC ? Give me a break ! That's why I have to believe they'll fix this in the near future. Do away with the byes for the conference champs. Include them but seed them based on their strength and rankings. Boise and ASU would have probalby been in the 9 to 12 spots

I mean PSU was #6 and is an 11 point favorite over conference champ #3 Boise ? Texas a whopping 13 point favorite over #4 ASU ? Good God - that's ridiculous.
 
More complete nonsense - there are 134 FBS schools, 8 is 6% of that Universe (i.e., 6 of every 100); this would be far-&-away the most restrictive playoff of any sport, at any level, and by many times over.

Your claim is further disproved by the fact that 12-1 Boise State (2nd best record in nation) is #9 in the Final CFP Selection Rankings and they're only loss this season is to undefeated and #1 Ranked Oregon on a last second FG by Oregon. ASU is 11-2 (one of the best records in the nation) has yet to even play so we have no idea how good they are.

Utter nonsense that D1A CFB should have the most restrictive Playoff by a factor of like 5 - even a 16-Team Playoff is more restrictive many times over.
What?!? That is all completely rubbish. College football is currently the most inclusive playoff system of any sport. Essentially, much of the group of five and even most of the ACC and big 12 are not playing the same sport as what is played in the B1G or SEC. They are extremely fortunate to be part of the playoff system as it is.
 
What?!? That is all completely rubbish. College football is currently the most inclusive playoff system of any sport. Essentially, much of the group of five and even most of the ACC and big 12 are not playing the same sport as what is played in the B1G or SEC. They are extremely fortunate to be part of the playoff system as it is.
See every other college sport...the playoff needs to expand significantly or be broken into tiers with their own playoff.
 
You nailed it and I think everyone is seeing the problem now. The Mountain West champ Boise State getting a bye over runner-ups and 3rd place teams from powerful conferences like the B1G and SEC ? Give me a break ! That's why I have to believe they'll fix this in the near future. Do away with the byes for the conference champs. Include them but seed them based on their strength and rankings. Boise and ASU would have probalby been in the 9 to 12 spots

I mean PSU was #6 and is an 11 point favorite over conference champ #3 Boise ? Texas a whopping 13 point favorite over #4 ASU ? Good God - that's ridiculous.

That's only because they "re-seeded" the Final CFP Selection Rankings for the first round. PSU is the #4 using the CFP Selection Rankings (Texas #3, Boise State #9 and ASU #12). Relative to the actual CFP Selection Rankings, the lines make sense.

In any event, there is absolutely no need for all these absurd machinations - just seed the 16-Team Bracket and have the lower ranked team play at the homefield of the higher ranked team until the Finals (i.e., College Super Bowl).
 
the 4 at large will more and likely come from the P4. This is where CFB is heading.
There's a P2 and everyone else
There's no justification for putting the ACC and Big XII on par with the 2 that matter.

Maybe we get an 8 team playoff for just those 2 conferences but they'll expand and it will still be 12.
 
More complete nonsense - there are 134 FBS schools, 8 is 6% of that Universe (i.e., 6 of every 100); this would be far-&-away the most restrictive playoff of any sport, at any level, and by many times over.

Your claim is further disproved by the fact that 12-1 Boise State (2nd best record in nation) is #9 in the Final CFP Selection Rankings and they're only loss this season is to undefeated and #1 Ranked Oregon on a last second FG by Oregon. ASU is 11-2 (one of the best records in the nation) has yet to even play so we have no idea how good they are.

Utter nonsense that D1A CFB should have the most restrictive Playoff by a factor of like 5 - even a 16-Team Playoff is more restrictive many times over.
Your "math" is completely absurd. Many of the "134 FBS schools" have an almost zero chance of being in the top 25, let alone competing for a National Championship. Comparing the playoff structure of 32 team pro sport leagues to CFB, is one of the most illogical premises I've ever heard. There is no program outside the Top 10 that's going to compete for a championship. The CFB playoff is not "restrictive" by any logical measure.
 
What?!? That is all completely rubbish. College football is currently the most inclusive playoff system of any sport. Essentially, much of the group of five and even most of the ACC and big 12 are not playing the same sport as what is played in the B1G or SEC. They are extremely fortunate to be part of the playoff system as it is.

You clearly don't understand math or statistics. CFB is the most inclusive Playoff??? That has to be one of the most ignorant statements I have ever read on here. Let's see D1 Basketball has 352 teams and 20% of that Universe make NCAA Championship. CFB has the most restrictive Playoff by many times over - and this would remain true even if expanded to 16.
 
Everyone needs to chill in crushing the setup…
They are quickly going to see they will make enough money that the 2026 expansion to 14 teams will go through. First two seeds get a bye and that eliminates much of this years nonsense.
 
You clearly don't understand math or statistics. CFB is the most inclusive Playoff??? That has to be one of the most ignorant statements I have ever read on here. Let's see D1 Basketball has 352 teams and 20% of that Universe make NCAA Championship. CFB has the most restrictive Playoff by many times over - and this would remain true even if expanded to 16.
There is a huge difference between the top of college football and the bottom of college football. There is no such a difference in college basketball. The inclusion of Kent State in your denominator makes about as much sense as including the local community community college that fields a football team.
 
16 seeds aren't winning March Madness but that includes all conference winners and it's going to continue to expand
Not seeing the logic is 24 (even if you dislike it) is absurd.
Army, Jax State, Marshall and Ohio won a conference--with 24 teams they get their chance and that's all you can ask for
 
There is a huge difference between the top of college football and the bottom of college football. There is no such a difference in college basketball. The inclusion of Kent State in your denominator makes about as much sense as including the local community community college that fields a football team.
Unless they break it into tiers they're a part of it--period.
 
Your "math" is completely absurd. Many of the "134 FBS schools" have an almost zero chance of being in the top 25, let alone competing for a National Championship. Comparing the playoff structure of 32 team pro sport leagues to CFB, is one of the most illogical premises I've ever heard. There is no program outside the Top 10 that's going to compete for a championship. The CFB playoff is not "restrictive" by any logical measure.

More bullshit and nonsense - D1 Basketball has 352 Teams and fully 20% make the NCAA Championship. You clearly flunked all of your math and statistics classes. LMAO.
 
There is a huge difference between the top of college football and the bottom of college football. There is no such a difference in college basketball. The inclusion of Kent State in your denominator makes about as much sense as including the local community community college that fields a football team.

There's 352 D1 Basketball teams and there's not a huge difference between the top and bottom half of this universe. Really? You're full of $hit and there is no empirical evidence to support your absurd claim. Do you have any clue how much of the D1 Basketball universe has sub-.500 records???
 
Given the imbalances among conferences but the desire to give every team a chance at a Division 1 NC, I think we have to do away with the conference championship games and award the conference to the highest seed conference team within the CFP.

Seed the top 16 teams and be done with it. One more home game for the Top 8 and then the NY6 as it is today.

This might still not work for the fans. Few can even go to one game much less three. In the NFL only the Super Bowl is played on a neutral field.

One thing they could do is to make the semi-finals local to the higher seeded team -- not necessarily the campus stadium but perhaps an indoor stadium that is within the region. Play the game on a weekend. Fans could then travel for the NY6 and perhaps the NC game 2-3 weeks later. I think that would work.

This would solve all major problems, but conferences would probably have to work conference schedules for the following year after all of the results are obtained for the preceding year. Balance should be maintained just as it is in the NFL. It wouldn't be perfect since rosters change dramatically but it would still be better than the mess we have today.
 
That's only because they "re-seeded" the Final CFP Selection Rankings for the first round. PSU is the #4 using the CFP Selection Rankings (Texas #3, Boise State #9 and ASU #12). Relative to the actual CFP Selection Rankings, the lines make sense.

In any event, there is absolutely no need for all these absurd machinations - just seed the 16-Team Bracket and have the lower ranked team play at the homefield of the higher ranked team until the Finals (i.e., College Super Bowl).
Yep, I think we're headed for 16 teams in the next 2 to 3 years and giving the top seeded teams home field advantage is huge - as it should be
 
Ummmmm......, the Finals are not 2 or 3 weeks after the Semis - that's nonsense. Expecting fans to travel to 3 Bowl Game Destinations in 3 weeks to see their team play for NC is ridiculous and extremely unrealistic as it would require 3 long flights, hotel rooms, etc.... Not a realistic setup in any way shape or form. There is no reason not to have all games up to the Final played at homefield of higher ranked team.
 
Yep, I think we're headed for 16 teams in the next 2 to 3 years and giving the top seeded teams home field advantage is huge - as it should be

Exactly. The higher ranked team should get homefield advantage. That combined with playing the lower seeded team the higher your seeded is proper advantage. All the lower seeded teams can ask is that they get their shot.
 
The structure is ridiculously inequitable - you have the #1 Team in the entire Bracket playing a team in the Quarterfinals, that they shouldn't have to face via their CFP Selection Ranking until the Finals! (duhO$U is #6 in the Final CFP Selection Rankings). Ditto #2 UGa - they are getting a Semi-Final quality matchup via Final CFP Selection Rankings in the Quarters. Two teams that should have played in the 1st RD via their Final CFP Selection Ranking (#9 and #12) have been given byes into the 2nd RD??? And the #11 team via the Final CFP Selection Rankings has been eliminated without ever playing a game.

The economics of this thing are also not sustainable imo - no fanbase is going to travel to three different Bowl Games in the span of 3 weeks to attend a Quarterfinal, Semifinal and Final Game. This aspect has not been well thought out just like the structure. It's frankly stupid, just like the structure, and likely created to placate the "5 Major Bowls" - no way this works longterm imo. They should just fully populate a 16 Team Bracket and have the lower ranked team play at the higher ranked team through the "College Super Bowl". Let the 5 Major Bowls rotate every 5 years for the "College Super Bowl" and just sponsor a non-playoff game in the other years
IMO your solution only solves one problem.
. Expanding to 16 means more blowouts not less and still [3 or 4] games in quick succession.
. Conference championships should still mean something or why even have a conference?
. Playing in a CC and losing should NOT hurt you, or why play.
. I think shrinking to 8 would be better but that cat is out of the bag, so I simply would keep 12, keep the byes as they are and just re seed after the 1st round.
 
IMO your solution only solves one problem.
. Expanding to 16 means more blowouts not less and still [3 or 4] games in quick succession.
. Conference championships should still mean something or why even have a conference?
. Playing in a CC and losing should NOT hurt you, or why play.
. I think shrinking to 8 would be better but that cat is out of the bag, so I simply would keep 12, keep the byes as they are and just re seed after the 1st round.
Who cares if there's more blowouts? See March Madness. See FCS football. See every sport. The top teams should win big at home even against other quality teams. The issue with the 12 team isn't the blowouts. It's that teams that shouldn't be in are in wheile others aren't.

Conference championships can only matter if all champs get in--which is why you expand to 24

We had blowouts with 4 teams--why is 8 better?

No one has to like this but we all know the playoff isn't stopping at 12.
 
There's 352 D1 Basketball teams and there's not a huge difference between the top and bottom half of this universe. Really? You're full of $hit and there is no empirical evidence to support your absurd claim. Do you have any clue how much of the D1 Basketball universe has sub-.500 records???
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Who cares if there's more blowouts? See March Madness. See FCS football. See every sport. The top teams should win big at home even against other quality teams. The issue with the 12 team isn't the blowouts. It's that teams that shouldn't be in are in wheile others aren't.

Conference championships can only matter if all champs get in--which is why you expand to 24

We had blowouts with 4 teams--why is 8 better?

No one has to like this but we all know the playoff isn't stopping at 12.
you are the same guy saying the blowouts represented teams didn't deserve to be there. So now we should expand and have 1-4 playing 13-16. btw it is one thing to watch the March Madness that has multiple games at the same venue.
 
More bullshit and nonsense - D1 Basketball has 352 Teams and fully 20% make the NCAA Championship. You clearly flunked all of your math and statistics classes. LMAO.
Now you're trying to compare 12 player basketball teams which can play 4 games in a week with 85-105 player football squads that are capable of 1 game a week. Tell me more about your grasp of statistical analysis, Bushey. 🙄🙄🙄
 
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IMO your solution only solves one problem.
. Expanding to 16 means more blowouts not less and still [3 or 4] games in quick succession.
. Conference championships should still mean something or why even have a conference?
. Playing in a CC and losing should NOT hurt you, or why play.
. I think shrinking to 8 would be better but that cat is out of the bag, so I simply would keep 12, keep the byes as they are and just re seed after the 1st round.

Huh?, What? Why do you have to eliminate CCGs to go to 16? What you're saying makes no sense. The 1st RD games between #1 v #16, #2 v #15, #3 v #14, #4 v #13, #5 v #12 realistically should be mismatched, but what happened this year has zero to do with that - it had to do with the abysmal byes given to the CFP Ranked #12 and #9 teams which pushed the #3, #4, #5, #6, #7 and #8 teams to #5, #6, #7, #8, #9 and #10 teams respectively.... causing absurd matchups in the 1st RD and now in the 2nd RD.

An 8-Team Bracket is not nearly inclusive enough when you have 134 Teams and 10 Conferences plus Independents. You may not believe that every team deserves a legit shot at playing for it all on the field, but that is not the spirit of any other NCAA Sport (or any other sport at any level for that matter). Your notion that #16, #15, #14 or #13 should be able to consistently beat #1, #2, #3 or #4 or 16 is to many..... is beyond ridiculous. Please show me all these Playoff Formats where the lowest Bracket seeds are consistently beating the top seeds??? You're post misses the entire point of a playoff and attempts to use a complete strawman tautology that the top seeds win most of the time against the bottom seeds in Playoffs - this is utterly irrelevant to what is being discussed.
 
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