Three point takedowns.
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Pushing, hand fighting and begging for stalling calls, aka Iowa Style, becomes even less effective.
Thread 'NCAA Rules changes coming!!' https://pennstate.forums.rivals.com/threads/ncaa-rules-changes-coming.334239/
I really like the 3 point takedown, always hated when our guy would take the opponent down twice in the first period and only be ahead 4-2 going into the second because they let them escape both times. I can't understand the reluctance to put in a 1 point pushout rule ( The Hidlay Rule ). Getting really sick of guys using the edge as the only way to not getting taken down!
Pushing in NOT wrestling!!
Agree, but wish they would have gone a different direction - put both wrestlers on their feet if 30 seconds has elapsed and the bottom wrestler has not escaped and has not been turned (no escape point awarded).
Neither is screaming like a scared baby when someone locks a cradle up on you, yet Iowa wrestlers do that too.
so they penalize the top guy for no turn bet let the bottom guy slide for doing nothing so 3 or 4 minutes of riding time means nothing,what a joke!
Will be interesting to see how its called throughout the year. Did these rules pass yet? This one rule may not go through.
If this is passed, following the data will be interesting. I suspect that the number of takedowns in the 2nd and 3rd period will drop precipitously. Two takedowns and an escape in the 1st period? Wrestler is now up 6 to 1 and has little incentive take any more risks. We're going to see a lot of pushing and pulling in the 2nd and 3rd.
As opposed to what we see now?
I think you're forgetting wrestler's desire to get bonus points. Take Yianni. If he's up 12-5 on Murin - you don't think he's trying like hell to get one more TD and the major?
so your the top guy losing by 1 or tied 3rd period you ride him the whole period for riding time while trying like hell to turn while he trying like hell not to get turned sorry top guy you either lose or go to overtime!
Or, sorry top guy, you must do a risk/reward/cost/benefit calculation and cut the guy early to try and take him down again to win by 1 instead of trying to ride/turn. It will be different, but not necessarily better/worse.
Yianni, a 4-timer. What about the other 97.5 % of wrestlers who don’t want to risk that mistake that could put an easy win in jeopardy?
Most of them will. I'm not sure what matches you're watching, but guys go pretty hard when they're close to getting bonus. It means a lot to them and the coaches.
To be fair, Iowa has scored more bonus points than PSU that past 2 or 3 NCAAs I believe. So. Yeah. Guys are going to go for the major.
And just as important is the individual pride of the losing wrestler. A 3 point TD makes comebacks far more likely. So you'll see more attacks from them as well.
This entire post is my prediction as well.
Without a step out rule, we just got a lot more shutdowns from anyone good enough to get up 2 takedowns, but not good enough to take down at will. One stall, two stalls? No thing, can't hurt me.
Exactly.
3 point takedowns work 2 ways. You get up, great, VERY valuable to protect. Double the lead from a 2 point takedown sport.
You get down, great, VERY valuable to use to catch up. Double the value to catch up to a lead than a 2 point takedown sport.
But the problem is that there's no guarantee the other guy ever has to present himself anymore since he literally has more stall room as well to work with.
Are those championship bracket bonus points or the backside?
How many of Jason Nolf's matches would have ended with a tech in the 1st with a 3 point TD? 6 tds with 5 releases and 1 set of backs for 2. Jason always had the tech secured, but wanted the fall, especially after he had his opponent gassed. I have to wonder what he thinks, as it would change his match strategy?
Exactly!!! And how many are first round bonus points that are awarded when PSU has a bye.
He already tweeted that he didn’t like the rules being discussed.
Bonus victories, yes. Bonus points, no.
This year Iowa had 7 MDs, 1 TF, and 2 Falls.
PSU had 4 MDs and 5 Falls.
For the last several years, we've had a program so good and so much fun that guys like Morgan McIntosh, Nico Megaludis, and Matt Brown seem like "average" Penn State wrestlers.
My father never cared about wrestling at all until I took him to a Penn State wrestling match. "This is fun," he said.
There's nothing remotely "broken" about college wrestling.
We whine about the stalling, but the reality is that the sport is still in great shape for viewers.
The NCAA is proposing this stupid rule change to try to force other programs to wrestle a bit more like the Penn State and Keegan O'Toole types of the world. But, in reality, change happened organically when Cael came here. We don't need rule changes to "fix" wrestling at this point.
Exactly right. Nick, Jason, Bo, RBY and even Brooks have suffered greatly from the net 1 point takedown and release disparity. Far too many, 12-14 point Delta major decisions.
Now a major is as close as 4 takedowns away, and dozens and dozens of what were heavy majors will become Techs.
One thing is for sure. For the kids that are good on their feet, that is what folkstyle will become for them. A game of catch and release.
As much as I hate inferior opponents getting that free 1 point with a free release, I don't like the idea of a 3 point takedown.
Mat wrestling will suffer as an unintended consequence. Why bother working to turn when you can rack up the points faster from neutral?
PS - I don't think it passes, at least not this year.
They could fix it by just allowing the top wrestler to release for 0 points, except for when the bottom wrestler chose down. Then you have to ride or give up the point.
The premier Dual meet of the season featured 8 matches with 1 or fewer TDs. (of course, there was a lot of action at 125 after the 1 TD)
I suspect there was plenty of drama and suspense to keep most Iowa or PSU fans on the edge of their seat ... I know I was.
I wonder, though, how did it play with sports fans tuning in for the 1st time? Are tough hand-fighting and hard rides enough to bring them back?
I go back and forth on whether I like these changes. Not that it matters, but I'm okay with whatever they decide to do.
I suspect there was plenty of drama and suspense to keep most Iowa or PSU fans on the edge of their seat ... I know I was.
I wonder, though, how did it play with sports fans tuning in for the 1st time? Are tough hand-fighting and hard rides enough to bring them back?
I go back and forth on whether I like these changes. Not that it matters, but I'm okay with whatever they decide to do.
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That is friggin good enough for me. Sold!
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