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Under what circumstance would you attend a match in Rec Hall?

If NCAA wrestling resumed September 1, would you attend a match in Rec Hall?

  • Yes, all things as they are now I still attend

    Votes: 98 54.1%
  • Yes, only if a verified theraputic for Covid was available

    Votes: 33 18.2%
  • Yes, only if attendance was limited to 20% capacity

    Votes: 8 4.4%
  • No, I will not attend until a vaccine is available to me

    Votes: 42 23.2%

  • Total voters
    181

82bordeaux

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I'm curious with all the protests popping up around the country about economies opening, what would it take for you to attend a match in Rec Hall? I have 2 Penn State students at home wondering what their Junior and Senior years might look like.
This is not a poll or a debate whether their should be mass gatherings. It is simply, "what would your personal choice be if the decision was made to conduct athletic events with fans attending?"
 
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Let’s hope and pray we have a season next year gentlemen and one that fans will be able to attend
 
As much as I like watching Penn State wrestle, I wouldn't put my family, neighbors, and colleagues at risk just so I could go to a match.

But if the NCAA decided to resume wrestling and Penn State decided to allow a crowd into Rec Hall, I have to assume that the public health authorities will have determined it's safe to do so because of a vaccine or a treatment or a better understanding of how to prevent the spread of the virus.

I think that makes my answer "none of the above."
 
I'm curious with all the protests popping up around the country about economies opening, what would it take for you to attend a match in Rec Hall? I have 2 Penn State students at home wondering what their Junior and Senior years might look like.
This is not a poll or a debate whether their should be mass gatherings. It is simply, "what would your personal choice be if the decision was made to conduct athletic events with fans attending?"

I really dig this framing, b/c that's how I've been looking at so many of the decisions surrounding this viral pandemic: personal choice. That framework allows debates or discussions to set aside other constructs familiar to recent internet debates, things like politics, government, personal liberties. I'm more interested in each person's decisions around whatever they've determined that the science or info they've consumed means to them.

So I like your framing. But I'm confused by some of the choices.

What is a "verified therapeutic for Covid" and how does it differ from a vaccine?
 
I really dig this framing, b/c that's how I've been looking at so many of the decisions surrounding this viral pandemic: personal choice. That framework allows debates or discussions to set aside other constructs familiar to recent internet debates, things like politics, government, personal liberties. I'm more interested in each person's decisions around whatever they've determined that the science or info they've consumed means to them.

So I like your framing. But I'm confused by some of the choices.

What is a "verified therapeutic for Covid" and how does it differ from a vaccine?
It treats the viral infection rather than preventing it.
 
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It treats the viral infection rather than preventing it.

Ahhh, got it, thanks. I've gotten terrible bronchitis bouts since I was little, so I think I'd probably still wait for the vaccine.

I just think it's a fascinating question, and really, to me, it's the most important one each of has to ask ourselves. Given what we (think we) know. About the science, the contagiousness, the consequences. It's one giant personal Risk Assessment:
  • How confident are we that we do or do not have it right now?
  • How likely am I to transfer it to others?
  • How likely am I to contract it from others?
  • How much am I willing to deal with the possible consequences?
  • How much do I owe it to the generic "others" I share the planet with (not to mention loved ones) to do or not do x or y?
I think these are the most important questions we should be asking. So thanks for posing it, 82bordeaux.
 
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No questions about the value of Jammenz’s head? :)

Trolls serve one purpose to me and that is humor. If they ain't funny, they dead to me.

I hung out with beers between multiple sessions in Cleveland with Dan Ransick. Totally normal guy wrestling fan who's gone Full Troll in this twitter feed with anti-DT, anti-Snyder (Benedict), Carl & chair-throwing, the whole bit. At first when he did I was like wtf, but then it got funny to me. So I keep up my follow. Humorous, to me, so not yet dead.

Just a little background on my thinking, in answering your question, oh welder of dog!
 
My ex and I went to B1Gs and there seemed to be virtually zero awareness of the virus. Two days later, I went to a winemaking convention and it was on everyone's minds and precautions against spread were being practiced. I have felt we were very lucky not to have contracted the virus in Piscataway.
 
The problem is the press has been framing it in their usually insipid bifurcated way. They act like there are MERELY 2 options: The present way of handling things or A libertarian way of letting the chips fall as they may.

It is obvious that that is false, and that there is a compromise, or, more to the point, a series of compromises particular to different situations. But in this state, Big Box stores are open to sell garden supplies even while local stores are closed. That is sufficient proof that this lock down is not so much tight as it is .... not entirely well thought out. The politicians are erring on the side of caution but they're also erring on the side of businesses that have more clout than others. Just keeping it real, folks. I do feel bad for any of you who live in New Jersey. Closing down state parks and forests was a ridiculous decision. Don't you want people to get vitamin D????

This skepticism is separate from politics, however. I've been intensely wary of media for a long time.

Regardless, the state tells me that they've "flattened the curve." Additionally, they tell me that this pandemic flu is not particularly bad for people who are neither very old nor suffering from other maladies and conditions. I am not old, I am healthy, and I don't live with old people. That means that, yes, as of today, I would attend a PSU wrestling event.

That said, if I'm being blunt, sporting events are less important than other things. Yet in comparing this to past flu pandemics, like 1918-1919, I am optimistic that we will be able to wrestle this winter.
 
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I got the virus about 6 weeks ago and fully recovered. I’ll be the one at Rec Hall without the mask.

Glad you're fine, NJ. In my frustration at seeing so many local businesses suffer, I've been trying to put it all aside and remember to pray for people who actually had and have the virus.
 
My ex and I went to B1Gs and there seemed to be virtually zero awareness of the virus. Two days later, I went to a winemaking convention and it was on everyone's minds and precautions against spread were being practiced. I have felt we were very lucky not to have contracted the virus in Piscataway.
I was there and the lines at the sinks were slower than the lines to the urinals.
 
The problem is the press has been framing it in their usually insipid bifurcated way. They act like there are MERELY 2 options: The present way of handling things or A libertarian way of letting the chips fall as they may.

It is obvious that that is false, and that there is a compromise, or, more to the point, a series of compromises particular to different situations. But in this state, Big Box stores are open to sell garden supplies even while local stores are closed. That is sufficient proof that this lock down is not so much tight as it is .... not entirely well thought out. The politicians are erring on the side of caution but they're also erring on the side of businesses that have more clout than others. Just keeping it real, folks. I do feel bad for any of you who live in New Jersey. Closing down state parks and forests was a ridiculous decision. Don't you want people to get vitamin D????

This skepticism is separate from politics, however. I've been intensely wary of media for a long time.

Regardless, the state tells me that they've "flattened the curve." Additionally, they tell me that this pandemic flu is not particularly bad for people who are neither very old nor suffering from other maladies and conditions. I am not old, I am healthy, and I don't live with old people. That means that, yes, as of today, I would attend a PSU wrestling event.

That said, if I'm being blunt, sporting events are less important than other things. Yet in comparing this to past flu pandemics, like 1918-1919, I am optimistic that we will be able to wrestle this winter.
Would it help if we endeavor to persevere? :)
 
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That's great you've recovered. Were there many contacts of yours that contracted the virus? This is hard to get information.

My wife and 2 kids both got it, but thankfully none of our friends or colleagues did. It was before the quarantine started and we were definitely out in public before we knew. We would have felt awful if we transmitted it to others beyond our family. We’re all pretty healthy and the symptoms weren’t that bad...similar to the seasonal flu. We felt like crap for about 4 days, and fully recovered in 2 weeks. I tested positive but they wouldn't test my wife and kids who had the exact same symptoms. The actual number of cases is so under reported.
 
i’m having a really hard time deciding on my answer to this poll. September seems like 10 years from now in so many ways. I will be happy if there is wrestling to watch in September, be it from those less than ideal bleachers or my comfy couch.
 
NJ lion congrats on your recovery! maybe a thread about how covid affected you and yours? with the amount of people contracting this virus maybe there are more poster that could talk about there experience. I totally understand if you want to keep that to yourself.
 
The problem is the press has been framing it in their usually insipid bifurcated way. They act like there are MERELY 2 options: The present way of handling things or A libertarian way of letting the chips fall as they may ...
Good news! The press has just reported a third option: we can inject bleach into our veins to disinfect the viruses outta there! :)
 
Your reference had the quote "And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it [the virus] out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside, or almost a cleaning, cause you see it gets in the lungs.” Breitbart claimed he didn't mean injection when he said "by injection inside" I am not sure how they make that claim...
 
Guys,
I can see that we are heading down a slippery political slope. We were having a nice thread about our personal views on how we plan to conduct ourselves post lock down as it relates to athletics and other mass gatherings. I'd like to hear more about that from everyone.
I personally think what was said last night was funny. Some may think it's not funny. Do I think that he meant we should start shooting bleach into people's veins? Probably not. But it sure sounded like it, and that is funny. Let's keep it light people. These times are tough enough without beating each other up.
 
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In the performing arts, they say “break a leg” for good luck. Would I have best luck for avoiding Covid-19 if I actually intentionally break my leg? :) #thinking
 
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