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Under what circumstance would you attend a match in Rec Hall?

If NCAA wrestling resumed September 1, would you attend a match in Rec Hall?

  • Yes, all things as they are now I still attend

    Votes: 98 54.1%
  • Yes, only if a verified theraputic for Covid was available

    Votes: 33 18.2%
  • Yes, only if attendance was limited to 20% capacity

    Votes: 8 4.4%
  • No, I will not attend until a vaccine is available to me

    Votes: 42 23.2%

  • Total voters
    181
I have to agree with you man. It amazes me how many people prefer politicians to only say canned speeches and read everything from a script or teleprompter. Then when a guy just talks and opens up and shares his thoughts, he is laughed at - if it can be misconstrued by a hateful press. I heard the conference and I understood what he was trying to say. Can we figure out a way to get the disinfectant to the virus once it is inside the body? A decent thought although it may be totally impossible. Now if it happens, then no one will go back and say, hey that guy is a forward thinker. they will just find something else to insult him about. They were talking abut things that negatively affect the virus and ways to kill it or shorten its lifespan. Trump asked the doctors if any research was being done on ways to do that once it is inside the body. I do not have any idea how we can get ultraviolet light inside the body , although (heat is possible and one of the things that kills the virus aka a fever) I have no tide how to get chemicals inside the body and pin point them to the lungs or wherever the infection is. However, a lot of the new champ therapies are very target specific, so maybe it is possible. He was just saying that the information was exciting and the research was exciting and the people doing it were brilliant and then he just had a quick conversation with the person presenting the finding and Dr. Byrx. The press has done the rest to smear him and give the haters something to gloat about and feel superior about.
 
Your reference had the quote "And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it [the virus] out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside, or almost a cleaning, cause you see it gets in the lungs.” Breitbart claimed he didn't mean injection when he said "by injection inside" I am not sure how they make that claim...

Serious question 1989 —. Please cite the news sources that you believe are unbiased.

Sadly, I don’t believe there are any news outlets that are unbiased ( at least, I have yet to find one). This is one of the largest issues facing our country today.

I honestly hope to find a reliable source of news that isn’t presented through the lens of one of the political parties. I remain optimistic. I look forward to your response.
 
Serious question 1989 —. Please cite the news sources that you believe are unbiased.

Sadly, I don’t believe there are any news outlets that are unbiased ( at least, I have yet to find one). This is one of the largest issues facing our country today.

I honestly hope to find a reliable source of news that isn’t presented through the lens of one of the political parties. I remain optimistic. I look forward to your response.

according to this media bias chart below, AP and Reuters are the most neutral/balanced news sources with the highest reliability. breitbart is located in the 'hyper-partisan right' category. the equivalent 'hyper-partisan left' source appears to be free speech tv.

https://www.adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/?v=402f03a963ba
 
Let's talk about Bordeaux. I've never had an '82, but 2015 was a very good vintage in my uneducated opinion. What say you?
1982 was a watershed vintage in Bordeaux after 20 years of middling results. Kind of like 2010 in wrestling. The clouds parted and the sun began to shine. Wine critic Robert Parker called this the greatest vintage since 61 and was mocked by the cognoscenti. That call ended up making him the most influential critic of any kind in the world. But my story is the 82 Margaux was the first wine I ever bought when I decided to start collecting, so it became a screen name for wine auctions and message boards.
But to answer your question, 2015 is a fantastic vintage. 2016 is even better. If you have the patience to hide a few bottles in your basement for 5-15 years they will be a real treat!
 
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Just bought Laphroiag Quarter Cask. Very nice.
As is Resurgence Bourbon.
I'm more a fan of un-peated Highland Whiskeys. I like the fruity component. On the bourbon front, try to get your hands on a bottle of the Old Forester 1920 prohibition bottling. It's the best $50 bottle on the market. And at 115 proof, a lot of punch for the $$.
 
Honest Question: How many doctors or folks with medical degrees or advanced science backgrounds or even just deep awareness of epidemiology, the nature of diseases, and/or human (e.g., crowd) social behavior, for example, are among those 55.5% (as of right now, April 24th, 2:45 PM) who claim they would (or wish they could) attend an NCAA wrestling event right now?

Even if you are not concerned about your own health (or currently possess antibodies to the virus), isn't it reasonable that you should be concerned about the health of others (fans, family, concession workers etc.) who would be at risk (and to whom you and others could transmit COVID-19)?

And, further, would you want to risk the health and/or lives of wrestlers, coaches, referees, and many others for your own short term enjoyment?

Hopefully not. Wrestling will return. And, when it does, we should all be relatively certain that it is done under safe and secure conditions for everyone: competitors, fans, coaches, stadium/arena workers, parking lot attendants, janitors, referees, teams doctors, bus drivers, trainers, camera crews, and so on.

Thanks for thinking about these issues.
 
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1982 was a watershed vintage in Bordeaux after 20 years of middling results. Kind of like 2010 in wrestling. The clouds parted and the sun began to shine. Wine critic Robert Parker called this the greatest vintage since 61 and was mocked by the cognoscenti. That call ended up making him the most influential critic of any kind in the world. But my story is the 82 Margaux was the first wine I ever bought when I decided to start collecting, so it became a screen name for wine auctions and message boards.
But to answer your question, 2015 is a fantastic vintage. 2016 is even better. If you have the patience to hide a few bottles in your basement for 5-15 years they will be a real treat!

This is great info, thanks! I have a few 2015 bottles right now (a Chateau DeRibeon and a Chateau Hoyt). I hadn't heard that about the 2016 vintage so I'm excited to do some online shopping now.
 
82bordeaux, I can see right through your ploy, posting this thread in the attempt to get me out of this beautiful cottage on Lake Erie. You know the only way I will vacate this heavenly sanctuary of yours is a dual meet at Rec Hall or when Orson Welles announces on the radio that the aliens have finally left.

A couple of items about staying here:

Do you have any other books and magazine here besides, "OEM and OSHA Together Forever" and "Lathes, the World Beyond being a Single Lathe"

As it looks like this lockdown/distance thing is going to stretch into the summer, where are the keys to the boat?

On some nights when we look out to the west and partly north, we see a glow, is that the Northern Lights or is the Cayahoga River again.

Lastly, your wall calendar of the girls of Swiss Automatic Screw Machines (boy that sounded bad when I typed it) says that you have an upcoming Doctor's appointment next week on April 31st. However, I can't read your handwriting on the calendar and can't tell if it is with Dr. Fauci or Dr. Frankenstein or Dr. Phil.

Anyhow, thanks for letting the wife and I stay here. You Erie folk are the best! :p:rolleyes::)

For the rest of you, this is a two month old discussion with 82 and myself, whom I hope to meet some day.
 
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Serious question 1989 —. Please cite the news sources that you believe are unbiased.
I voted the source that he had cited.
Sadly, I don’t believe there are any news outlets that are unbiased ( at least, I have yet to find one). This is one of the largest issues facing our country today.

I honestly hope to find a reliable source of news that isn’t presented through the lens of one of the political parties. I remain optimistic. I look forward to your response.
I was citing the source of the poster I quoted. He used that source to say something wasn't stated. This sou
Serious question 1989 —. Please cite the news sources that you believe are unbiased.

Sadly, I don’t believe there are any news outlets that are unbiased ( at least, I have yet to find one). This is one of the largest issues facing our country today.

I honestly hope to find a reliable source of news that isn’t presented through the lens of one of the political parties. I remain optimistic. I look forward to your response.
Duceman stated the press made up the statement by providing a Breitbart citation. I read the entire Breitbart citation, and they claimed the president didn't mean inject when he said inject. I replied that is a stretch to make that conclusion. His press conference where he made the statement about injection is available here...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/24/health/sunlight-coronavirus-trump.html
 
82bordeaux, I can see right through your ploy, posting this thread in the attempt to get me out of this beautiful cottage on Lake Erie. You know the only way I will vacate this heavenly sanctuary of yours is a dual meet at Rec Hall or when Orson Welles announces on the radio that the aliens have finally left.

A couple of items about staying here:

Do you have any other books and magazine here besides, "OEM and OSHA Together Forever" and "Lathes, the World Beyond being a Single Lathe"

As it looks like this lockdown/distance thing is going to stretch into the summer, where are the keys to the boat?

On some nights when we look out to the west and partly north, we see a glow, is that the Northern Lights or is the Cayahoga River again.

Lastly, your wall calendar of the girls of Swiss Automatic Screw Machines (boy that sounded bad when I typed it) says that you have an upcoming Doctor's appointment next week on April 31st. However, I can't read your handwriting on the calendar and can't tell if it is with Dr. Fauci or Dr. Frankenstein or Dr. Phil.

Anyhow, thanks for letting the wife and I stay here. You Erie folk are the best! :p:rolleyes::)

For the rest of you, this is a two month old discussion with 82 and myself, whom I hope to meet some day.
Damn, you clearly are at the cottage. But I'm confused as to whether you are referencing the Tornos calendar or the Escomatic calendar? Those Esco girls are crazy. And the appointment on the 31st is with Dr Jellyfinger. :(
 
1982 was a watershed vintage in Bordeaux after 20 years of middling results. Kind of like 2010 in wrestling. The clouds parted and the sun began to shine. Wine critic Robert Parker called this the greatest vintage since 61 and was mocked by the cognoscenti. That call ended up making him the most influential critic of any kind in the world. But my story is the 82 Margaux was the first wine I ever bought when I decided to start collecting, so it became a screen name for wine auctions and message boards.
But to answer your question, 2015 is a fantastic vintage. 2016 is even better. If you have the patience to hide a few bottles in your basement for 5-15 years they will be a real treat!

It was nice for Parker to go out on a limb based on barrel samples, but he's been wrong more than right over the years and his claim about a vintage being "the best" was repeated too often - to the point that it became ridiculous.

I had many a 1982 bordeaux and the one thing they had in common was they were overrated.

In regard to recent vintages, no one really knows how good the wines are, because they are nowhere near a drinking window.
 
Ya'll ever been to a vineyard or winery or whatever? Buddy's wife comes up with the idea last spring, and we come in later than average on a dead day. Mind you, buddy and I are a solid 6 beers in minimum. We're ready to have fun. Wife? Not so much. Poor tasting lady had to listen to us obnoxiously and ignorantly comment on the "legs" each wine had (I still have no idea wtf that means) and ask for more port wine because it was tastiest.

Lesson? Don't take my ass to a winery if you don't want to have a good time.
 
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I'd attend right now. As long as I could get free tickets and it's against iowa or Nebraska. I'd want to watch a good comp.
 
It was nice for Parker to go out on a limb based on barrel samples, but he's been wrong more than right over the years and his claim about a vintage being "the best" was repeated too often - to the point that it became ridiculous.

I had many a 1982 bordeaux and the one thing they had in common was they were overrated.

In regard to recent vintages, no one really knows how good the wines are, because they are nowhere near a drinking window.
My favorite vintage in Bordeaux is 90. They have been beautiful since age 10 and still rock today. Yes, short specific wines such as Pichon Lalande, Mouton, Cheval Blanc, La Mission HB, and a few other top wines they often disappoint. But 1990 is strong across the board. The 96s, 2000s, and 2005s are coming into their prime.
I agree RP has a penchant for highly(over) extracted wines, but his great contribution has been accountability to producers. Global product is so much better than it was 30-40 years ago.
 
I'm more a fan of un-peated Highland Whiskeys. I like the fruity component. On the bourbon front, try to get your hands on a bottle of the Old Forester 1920 prohibition bottling. It's the best $50 bottle on the market. And at 115 proof, a lot of punch for the $$.
Thanks for the tip. Always looking to add a bottle to the cabinet.
As for highlands, I am pretty predictable. Macallan 12 is my go to.
 
If I only had to worry about myself, I would go to Rec Hall for a match, right now. I have two high risk people in the household though, one with MS and one getting radiation treatments for cancer, so I would have to not go in order to protect them.

I would qualify the above by saying that I think I may have already had and recovered from Covid-19 and my answer might change if I could get the antibody test to confirm it. I have a co-worker that traveled to Vancouver Canada via Seattle for about a week to visit his wife after the New Year holiday. He came back with a persistent dry cough. The last week of January, I developed a dry (in my throat) cough too. It wasn't too bad during the day, but when I would lay down in bed at night it seemed like the congestion in my lungs would move around and I would go a half hour with a wheezy cough and some shortness of breath. Even with the cough and wheezing from my lungs it was still a dry cough in my throat. It lasted for about 5 days.
 
It was nice for Parker to go out on a limb based on barrel samples, but he's been wrong more than right over the years and his claim about a vintage being "the best" was repeated too often - to the point that it became ridiculous.

I had many a 1982 bordeaux and the one thing they had in common was they were overrated.

In regard to recent vintages, no one really knows how good the wines are, because they are nowhere near a drinking window.

So the 82 vintages were later found to have actually hailed from Piscataway and not Bordeaux?
 
1982 was a watershed vintage in Bordeaux after 20 years of middling results. Kind of like 2010 in wrestling. The clouds parted and the sun began to shine. Wine critic Robert Parker called this the greatest vintage since 61 and was mocked by the cognoscenti. That call ended up making him the most influential critic of any kind in the world. But my story is the 82 Margaux was the first wine I ever bought when I decided to start collecting, so it became a screen name for wine auctions and message boards.
But to answer your question, 2015 is a fantastic vintage. 2016 is even better. If you have the patience to hide a few bottles in your basement for 5-15 years they will be a real treat!

Oooh, I like this turn in this thread....

Question for you experienced winos: what service/app do you use, if any, to catalog your own collection or to research others' reviews or takes or ranks?

I ask b/c I tried two Android apps last week: Vivino & Wine.com, b/c my MIL stopped drinking 2 years ago and is unpacking her "collection" and giving to me, but it's an extremely varied assortment that includes some really low-end table wine and some I tasted but had to just dump. So I had no idea what I was getting, so I tried those apps. I leaned into Vivino more, b/c of its camera search feature: I take a pic of the label and it auto-searches, and gives me great data on it, including a Vivino users rating and in some cases, where available, a Wine Enthusiast rating. Also costs if I wanted to buy more of anything, from them, I think. I haven't tried that part yet. But it did turn up one decent gem, a '98 Georges De Latour Cab that has a WE 91 rating & sells from Vivino for $120.

My FIL (long ago divorced from the MIL) has the real, more serious 'collection', so I can't wait to take my phone cam into his cellar next time I'm out there. But that's my background for asking: what do you all use for research & cataloguing? tia!
 
Uh, yes they did. Only a moron would take the question asked and turn it into injecting Lysol......or someone blinded by hate.
Please don’t call our president a hateful moron. The press asked a question and he turned it into injecting Lysol. So what? He is still the president. Have respeck! :)
 
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Serious question 1989 —. Please cite the news sources that you believe are unbiased.

Sadly, I don’t believe there are any news outlets that are unbiased ( at least, I have yet to find one). This is one of the largest issues facing our country today.

I honestly hope to find a reliable source of news that isn’t presented through the lens of one of the political parties. I remain optimistic. I look forward to your response.
Doesn't matter I watched it live who cares who showed it. I know what I saw and what I heard. People and news agencies can spin it however they want but he said what he said and it was dumb as shit
 
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Give me a break. Fake outrage of the highest magnitude and lowest common denominator.

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Back to the original topic:

I will have zero issue going to a match at Rec Hall once it's allowed. Colleges will be among the last institutions re-opened, and they will be ultra-conservative about athletics.

By the time Rec Hall is opened to the public, the risk of getting sick will be so low that it will have to dig upward to see daylight.
 
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Back to the original topic:

I will have zero issue going to a match at Rec Hall once it's allowed. Colleges will be among the last institutions re-opened, and they will be ultra-conservative about athletics.

By the time Rec Hall is opened to the public, the risk of getting sick will be so low that it will have to dig upward to see daylight.
I would go right now because I do not think it will harm me as I am not in any of the high risk groups. I feel I can best serve society by getting the infection and doing my part to help reach herd immunity. As for people who are in the high risk groups, they have to decide what they want to do. Making healthy and low risk people stay shut down, while making high risk people shut down seems like overkill. If the high risk people can be shut down or are wiling to be shut down, then they can do it without the low risk people being shut down Now, I also am not going to hang around high risk people, be cease I would not want to infect them. But, if they are willing to take that risk and hang around me, then that is their free choice to do so.
 
I would go right now because I do not think it will harm me as I am not in any of the high risk groups. I feel I can best serve society by getting the infection and doing my part to help reach herd immunity. As for people who are in the high risk groups, they have to decide what they want to do. Making healthy and low risk people stay shut down, while making high risk people shut down seems like overkill. If the high risk people can be shut down or are wiling to be shut down, then they can do it without the low risk people being shut down Now, I also am not going to hang around high risk people, be cease I would not want to infect them. But, if they are willing to take that risk and hang around me, then that is their free choice to do so.
You do realize though that people who choose to hang around you are not just making the choice for themselves though? They are making that choice for everyone they may contact, and the contacts of their contacts and so on....
 
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I would take a guess based on observation that around 60% of all Rec season ticket holders are over 55 years of age and many of them in their 70s. There are a fair number of fans who have supported this team decades before wrestling was invented. Those fans who supported the team through thick and thin would be shut out in attempt to be safe.
 
You do realize though that people who choose to hang around you are not just making the choice for themselves though? They are making that choice for everyone they may contact, and the contacts of their contacts and so on....
This is the definition of a low-trust society.
 
Oooh, I like this turn in this thread....

Question for you experienced winos: what service/app do you use, if any, to catalog your own collection or to research others' reviews or takes or ranks?

www.cellartracker.com is by far the best tool. Yes, it's amateurs doing the reviews, but they are, frankly, much better than professionals. You can see reviews over a wide time range for actual bottles of wine, instead of one tasting of a hand-selected (by the winery) "sample" from a pro.
 
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I would go right now because I do not think it will harm me as I am not in any of the high risk groups. I feel I can best serve society by getting the infection and doing my part to help reach herd immunity. As for people who are in the high risk groups, they have to decide what they want to do. Making healthy and low risk people stay shut down, while making high risk people shut down seems like overkill. If the high risk people can be shut down or are wiling to be shut down, then they can do it without the low risk people being shut down Now, I also am not going to hang around high risk people, be cease I would not want to infect them. But, if they are willing to take that risk and hang around me, then that is their free choice to do so.

The latest from the World Health Organization complicate and challenge these claims:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/25/who-warns-against-coronavirus-immunity-passports
 
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