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Under what circumstance would you attend a match in Rec Hall?

If NCAA wrestling resumed September 1, would you attend a match in Rec Hall?

  • Yes, all things as they are now I still attend

    Votes: 98 54.1%
  • Yes, only if a verified theraputic for Covid was available

    Votes: 33 18.2%
  • Yes, only if attendance was limited to 20% capacity

    Votes: 8 4.4%
  • No, I will not attend until a vaccine is available to me

    Votes: 42 23.2%

  • Total voters
    181
is it really a discussion when one side presents evidence in support of their side and the other side simply says 'i think that's wrong' without providing support of their own? doesn't seem productive.

i'm willing to admit i'm deferring to the overwhelming majority of experts in my opinion on this matter. i'm also considering the consequences of being wrong. it's my opinion that being more cautious and being wrong would be far less detrimental than the alternative.
See now you are having a discussion and at least explaining your position, yet you still refuse to admit that labeling someone a loon is wrong.

And he was having a discussion, he stated his position about what he was beginning to believe based on observable instances where the models were wrong. Yet you just dismissed him.

I have no interest in a continued back and forth, I am done. Your post was unacceptable, to me at least.

Enjoy your life.
 
Interesting take by Purdue University. The president of the university claims that 80% of their population is under 35 years old and close to "zero risk" lethal threat. They plan to re-open on campus in the fall with campus wide testing, contact tracing, etc... He makes an interesting argument that concentrating the low risk / high transmitting populations on college campuses might help prevent the spread of virus to higher risk demographics. It is an interesting outside the box approach to be sure. In theory, it could work if there was greatly diminished travel in and out of the university setting. Of course this would be no comfort to students and faculty/staff in the higher risk groups. The open letter is here: https://www.purdue.edu/president/messages/campus-community/2020/2004-fall-message.php
This seems closer to Sweden's response and the thought of getting herd immunity. It seems to be working for that country at least.
 
See now you are having a discussion and at least explaining your position, yet you still refuse to admit that labeling someone a loon is wrong.

And he was having a discussion, he stated his position about what he was beginning to believe based on observable instances where the models were wrong. Yet you just dismissed him.

I have no interest in a continued back and forth, I am done. Your post was unacceptable, to me at least.

Enjoy your life.

you went from 'we should be having a discussion' to 'i'm done' real quick once i pointed out that you weren't supporting your argument in any way.

in 30 years, i'll buy you beer if it turns climate change was nothing to worry about. i'll be delighted to admit i was wrong on the matter.
 
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you went from 'we should be having a discussion' to 'i'm done' real quick once i pointed out that you weren't supporting your argument in any way.

in 30 years, i'll buy you beer if it turns climate change was nothing to worry about. i'll be delighted to admit i was wrong on the matter.
OK, I will respond, real quick? Seriously? We went back and forth about 4 times. And you still won't admit you were wrong. Nothing else really to discuss. I think you are wrong for what you said specifically about another poster, unprovoked, you obviously do not. I do not want to bore others with our back and forth.
I would take you up on the beer because I am pretty sure humanity will be around, though not as sure about me since I will be 86. Heck, if I do live that long doctors probably won't let me have the fruits of the "bet"!

And BTW, my suggested discussion wasn't with me, it was with the guy you called a name..... or maybe instead of a discussion you could at least start with an apology, but I will not hold my breath. Again, an apology to him, not me.

And to others forced to read this back and forth, or at least scroll past it, I am sorry. Have a nice day all.
 
Interesting take by Purdue University. The president of the university claims that 80% of their population is under 35 years old and close to "zero risk" lethal threat. They plan to re-open on campus in the fall with campus wide testing, contact tracing, etc... He makes an interesting argument that concentrating the low risk / high transmitting populations on college campuses might help prevent the spread of virus to higher risk demographics. It is an interesting outside the box approach to be sure. In theory, it could work if there was greatly diminished travel in and out of the university setting. Of course this would be no comfort to students and faculty/staff in the higher risk groups. The open letter is here: https://www.purdue.edu/president/messages/campus-community/2020/2004-fall-message.php
Yeah. This is the point that lookleft made earlier (a couple of pages ago). It’s pretty interesting. In a high-level conceptual sense, it resembles China’s approach in Wuhan of segregating people of different groups, of putting risky groups in dorms.
 
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Yeah. This is the point that lookleft made earlier. It’s pretty interesting. In a high-level conceptual sense, it resembles China’s approach in Wuhan of segregating people of different groups, of putting risky groups in dorms.
The hard part of separating people by risk groups is that a family unit, in Italy and everywhere else, might have people belonging to different risk groups, and separating families is problematic, because not everyone would or should trust strangers to take good care of grandpa and grandma.
 
OK, I will respond, real quick? Seriously? We went back and forth about 4 times. And you still won't admit you were wrong. Nothing else really to discuss. I think you are wrong for what you said specifically about another poster, unprovoked, you obviously do not. I do not want to bore others with our back and forth.
I would take you up on the beer because I am pretty sure humanity will be around, though not as sure about me since I will be 86. Heck, if I do live that long doctors probably won't let me have the fruits of the "bet"!

And BTW, my suggested discussion wasn't with me, it was with the guy you called a name..... or maybe instead of a discussion you could at least start with an apology, but I will not hold my breath. Again, an apology to him, not me.

And to others forced to read this back and forth, or at least scroll past it, I am sorry. Have a nice day all.

i'm not going to apologize to that poster for a couple reasons. the first being, he didn't seem to have an issue with it. it was you that came in and tried to convince me that i hurt his feelings by calling him a silly name.

the second reason is that i consider climate change deniers to be on the same level as anti-vaxxers. they're either selfish, willfully ignorant of science, or both and they deserve to be derided for being so colossally stupid. but that's just my opinion.

i will apologize to those that had to read our back and forth though. i'm sorry.
 
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Id rather inject Lysol.
Much of this thread makes that seem worthwhile.

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So this poll has over 160 responses. 56% would attend as is, and another 18% would attend if there was a viable therapeutic drug available (which is possible by November).
An interesting test is the Beaver Stadium seat selection process is this week. I wonder if I will be able to abnormally improve my seats. That would be an indicator of what Penn State football fans are thinking. I'm guessing there will be no change. Fans are fanatics.
 
You're correct. It would have been nice to stay on point. I was hoping that posters could just state their position on where they stand and why without feeling the need to prove one was right or wrong.:(
Well, at least the poll itself stayed on point. Because THATS WHAT IT DOES!! Polls have been staying on point since Bo Nickal was 6. :)

So the more expansive discussion was a “free” “treat.” :)
 
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I liked the earlier discussion specific to wrestling and Rec Hall. The rest of it looks like the rest of the internet right now.
 
The hard part of separating people by risk groups is that a family unit, in Italy and everywhere else, might have people belonging to different risk groups, and separating families is problematic, because not everyone would or should trust strangers to take good care of grandpa and grandma.
I do not think there is an easy answer here. Every solution will be problematic in one sense or another. It seems to boil down to a matter of attitude to me. We attack (go about our lives and wait for herd immunity)or we play defense (shutdown and hope it passes or someone gives us a cure). We accept our fate (everyone has an expiration date and this virus may hasten it) or we try to hope others will interrupt their life long enough for us and be willing to suffer enough, so we can be saved by a drug or vaccine or whatever.
I think everyone knows which side of the answer I am on. Part of it is because I feel very healthy and do not think the virus will harm me (if I have not already had it). Also, I do not trust what the people advocating for the shutdown say. And finally, I have a strong belief in God and if it is my time to go, then it is my time to go. Even though I have been vocal about my position, I also feel that, because of my belief in God, that this situation is within his will. It may seem odd that I can argue for one course of action, but be at peace with it not happening.
I appreciate your thought out answers and being able to exchange ideas with you. Thanks!!
 
My wife and I have raised 5 daughters. Three are back in the house. Even the dog was fixed. I think I'm already immune. ;)

Six women in the house, :eek: you blew right past my religion's requirement of two miracles for Sainthood. I'd have a hidden electrical fence to keep the dog in and a 6 foot electrical fence to keep the boys out.

Based on a different thread, even that Brands brother couldn't manage through that number. Congratulations.
 
Six women in the house, :eek: you blew right past my religion's requirement of two miracles for Sainthood. I'd have a hidden electrical fence to keep the dog in and a 6 foot electrical fence to keep the boys out.

Based on a different thread, even that Brands brother couldn't manage through that number. Congratulations.
My chats with the Homecoming and Prom dates became legend at the dances. The dates would be asked by others that night "did you get the talk from Mr. Bordeaux?"
The distilled version was "have fun, be safe, do whatever you want tonight. Just one more thing...whatever you do to my daughter tonight, I'm doing to you tomorrow. So have a good time!"
They never had a lot of second dates.
 
Maybe a contrast to the message above

Have you heard this video from these Docs? Really worth the look, very informative. Crazy that Youtube Google cendored/pulled their video as soon as it went viral

https://tiny.iavian.net/zs2z

Things are looking up for sports in the fall, even one where opponents share sweat and blood from time to time.

PS - in full disclosure I championed the bandwagon thought that wrestling in the fall was a pipe dream. The data seems to be indicating a pretty severe over reaction to this virus World wide.
 
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Erie has no shortage of toilet paper. Wegman's has full racks of Charmin, Cottonelle, Wegman's brand, etc... My friends in Florida can't believe it. I send them TP and Smith's Hotdogs in a cooler and get stone crab sent back.


Smiths hotdogs and TP
A necessary combination


JK i love those things
 
Last years flu killed almost twice as many people as the coronavirus.I'm there for any PSU football game or wrestling match. Time to man up!!
 
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yea, just like there is no cure for the common cold. But I'm still sitting at a bar and restaurant every other year when everyone around me is hacking and coughing.:rolleyes:;)
 
Last years flu killed almost twice as many people as the coronavirus.I'm there for any PSU football game or wrestling match. Time to man up!!
This month, while I ate every day and social distanced, I never starved and I never got COVID. That proves that starving and COVID are not big problems and that next month I should stop eating and stop social distancing! #logic :)
 
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numbers for coronavirus have only gone up recently because of an accounting change by the states and the CDC that started tocount deaths that they " think were" or " may be from the Coronavirus. In my county we have about 50 cases, zero hospitalizations and zero deaths ,but my business has been closed for a month. Last flu season I had many patients in the hospital with very serious flu syptoms. Just my observations.
 
My chats with the Homecoming and Prom dates became legend at the dances. The dates would be asked by others that night "did you get the talk from Mr. Bordeaux?"
The distilled version was "have fun, be safe, do whatever you want tonight. Just one more thing...whatever you do to my daughter tonight, I'm doing to you tomorrow. So have a good time!"
They never had a lot of second dates.
Hey 82 if I wanted to come and spend a day or two in Erie what should I do. What's the must do in Erie
 
numbers for coronavirus have only gone up recently because ...
Since there is not testing of all dead people, I think the best measure for future historians will be some sort of “excess death.” Maybe start with comparing all non-injury deaths in 2020 vs all non-injury deaths in 2019 or 2018.
 
Maybe a contrast to the message above

Have you heard this video from these Docs? Really worth the look, very informative. Crazy that Youtube Google cendored/pulled their video as soon as it went viral

https://tiny.iavian.net/zs2z

Things are looking up for sports in the fall, even one where opponents share sweat and blood from time to time.

PS - in full disclosure I championed the bandwagon thought that wrestling in the fall was a pipe dream. The data seems to be indicating a pretty severe over reaction to this virus World wide.

these knuckleheads have been thoroughly and summarily discredited widely. Definitely not the wagon to which you want to hitch your star.
 
Hanging out at the peninsula, walleye or perch fishing, sailing, jet-skiing, solid golf, and great breweries. Casino and racetrack if you're into that. And meeting me for a beer.
Right on. I love golf almost as much as wrestling and he wife would love the water sports. Sounds like a plan. First beer on me
 
According to my wife my brother in law has a good buddy who charter fishing trips out of Erie looking into that now. Always wanted to go to Erie and have never made it up there. Looks like it will happen this year golf and fishing and beer doesn't get better then that unless there's a wrestling tournament going on as well lol
 
According to my wife my brother in law has a good buddy who charter fishing trips out of Erie looking into that now. Always wanted to go to Erie and have never made it up there. Looks like it will happen this year golf and fishing and beer doesn't get better then that unless there's a wrestling tournament going on as well lol
My buddy Phil charters on his boat Anglehard and he’s also good at beer drinking.
anglehard@neo.rr.com
 
these knuckleheads have been thoroughly and summarily discredited widely. Definitely not the wagon to which you want to hitch your star.
Indeed. They got a ton of news cycle mileage because they were telling the credulous what they wanted to hear. But the survey error was ridiculously easy to spot.

The doctors should never have assumed that the patients they tested — who came for walk-in COVID-19 tests or who sought urgent care for symptoms they experienced in the middle of a pandemic — are representative of the general population, said Dr. Carl Bergstrom, a University of Washington biologist who specializes in infectious disease modeling. He likened their extrapolations to “estimating the average height of Americans from the players on an NBA court.”
 
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