Unsatisfactory first half

[84Lion]

Looking at the stats:

https://gopsusports.com/boxscore.aspx?id=13109&path=football

I was surprised, given the score, how similar the stats were. Same number of first downs, for example. What really sticks out, to me, is that PSU did way better in rushing than ILL, but ILL did better in passing. Of course, much of that was probably due to ILL passing a lot to try to catch up, especially in the 2nd half. One thing that sticks out to me is that ILL got 3 first downs due to PSU penalties. Is that PSU being too aggressive on defense or the zebras calling ticky-tack fouls to let ILL back in the game? If it's the latter, I'd suspect we can expect more of the same down the road, especially against OSU and UM. If it's the former, that can be cleaned up...and it should be noted that PSU did hold Illinois to one touchdown in the first half and what I would call a "garbage time" TD in the 2nd half.

I want to watch the game in detail (saw only bits and pieces yesterday) but from what I saw, it looked like Illinois was playing good defense that was frustrating PSU's offense a bit. OTOH, PSU defense did a great job with the "bend don't break" defense and caused quite a few punts and turnovers. No, the first half wasn't a highlight reel, but overall, I thought PSU played well.

 

[marshall23]

There ain’t a lot of perspective from the we deserve better posters on this board. You should know that by now.

Keep in mind....players, coaches and officials will never be perfect. Only those watching competition (spectators) will ever be perfect.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

Looking at the stats:

https://gopsusports.com/boxscore.aspx?id=13109&path=football

I was surprised, given the score, how similar the stats were. Same number of first downs, for example. What really sticks out, to me, is that PSU did way better in rushing than ILL, but ILL did better in passing. Of course, much of that was probably due to ILL passing a lot to try to catch up, especially in the 2nd half. One thing that sticks out to me is that ILL got 3 first downs due to PSU penalties. Is that PSU being too aggressive on defense or the zebras calling ticky-tack fouls to let ILL back in the game? If it's the latter, I'd suspect we can expect more of the same down the road, especially against OSU and UM. If it's the former, that can be cleaned up...and it should be noted that PSU did hold Illinois to one touchdown in the first half and what I would call a "garbage time" TD in the 2nd half.

I want to watch the game in detail (saw only bits and pieces yesterday) but from what I saw, it looked like Illinois was playing good defense that was frustrating PSU's offense a bit. OTOH, PSU defense did a great job with the "bend don't break" defense and caused quite a few punts and turnovers. No, the first half wasn't a highlight reel, but overall, I thought PSU played well.

The defensive stats need some perspective imho.... Yes, Illinois threw for more yards (292 v 219), but Illinois also gave up 4 INTs and was held to only 25 completions on 44 pass attempts. Illinois' run game was held to 62 yards on 29 carries (basically a 2 yard average). Given that PSU's Defense forced 5 turnovers and PSU's Offense gave up zero, I'd hardly say the statistics are comparable.... or that Illinois' Offense was remotely as "productive" as PSU's.

 

[AWS1022]

do any of us really understand what franklin was trying to accomplish in this game offensively?

First, I realize he wants a balanced attack...ok makes sense...but illinois was playing the run most of the game...and we were trying to run most of the game. Even the announcers commented on the simple fact that there more defenders than blockers on a lot of our runs. It was also obvious that if our back ran right, the entire defense went in that direction leaving them vulnerable to misdirection, reverses, .

Seems as if Franklin believed he was going to win and didn't want to show anything. Plus, stupid penalties cost PSU points and allowed a momentum shift. Big test for offense will be Iowa.

37 passes and 40 rushes…we weren’t trying to run most of the game and the numbers probably should have been skewed more toward the run than they were because we had a lead the whole game.

 

[LandoComando]

We beat a team we were supposed to beat. LOL
Beat them by more points than the experts predicted. Yet there is no joy in Mudville!

A sluggish game that ended when Franklin called off the dogs at 30-7 with significant time left in the fourth quarter.
Perhaps PSU will actually lose a few games and give the "elite fans" here something to really cry about.
Win or lose HVCAC "WE DESERVE BETTER. "

You're honestly being absurd. We beat a horrible Illini team that played better defense against us than they did in their first two games against lesser opponents. Fans should be aware of the weaknesses their team's have. The objective, even if you don't comprehend it, is to win titles. Not just to "beat the teams we're supposed to beat". Chris Evert, who was elite, always talked about how a major didn't start for her until the semifinals because until then she was just beating the girls she was supposed to beat. That's why she made 52 of 56 semifinals. That's winner's mentality. Not "sweet we beat someone awful". Our season will be defined by 2 games unless we choke and lose to someone we shouldn't. Raise your expectations or at least accept others have.

 

[joeaubie21]

All these expert coaches here.

Surely they can find a job somewhere.

 

[LandoComando]

All these expert coaches here.

Surely they can find a job somewhere.

Back to "coaches can't be criticized" nonsense
People aren't comparing the coaches to themselves. They're comparing them to other coaches.

 

[joeaubie21]

PiT pipe pumper. ∆∆∆∆∆∆∆∆

 

[LandoComando]

PiT pipe pumper. ∆∆∆∆∆∆∆∆

Ignoring me is going well I see

 

[marshall23]

You're honestly being absurd. We beat a horrible Illini team that played better defense against us than they did in their first two games against lesser opponents. Fans should be aware of the weaknesses their team's have. The objective, even if you don't comprehend it, is to win titles. Not just to "beat the teams we're supposed to beat". Chris Evert, who was elite, always talked about how a major didn't start for her until the semifinals because until then she was just beating the girls she was supposed to beat. That's why she made 52 of 56 semifinals. That's winner's mentality. Not "sweet we beat someone awful". Our season will be defined by 2 games unless we choke and lose to someone we shouldn't. Raise your expectations or at least accept others have.

Chris Evert was an elite athlete...in the competitive sport arena. Her mindset was undoubtedly a factor in her success. You are a spectator, your mindset means absolutely nothing.

 

[LandoComando]

Chris Evert was an elite athlete...in the competitive sport arena. Her mindset was undoubtedly a factor in her success. You are a spectator, your mindset means absolutely nothing.

True aside from the fact the expectations are set by that. Pretending playing Delaware, WVU, Illinois, Iowa, UMass and Northwestern arent just games to prepare us for the ones that matter. Fans should accept that.

 

[joeaubie21]

Chris Evert was an elite athlete...in the competitive sport arena. Her mindset was undoubtedly a factor in her success. You are a spectator, your mindset means absolutely nothing.

Spectator?

More like imbecile.

 

[marshall23]

True aside from the fact the expectations are set by that. Pretending playing Delaware, WVU, Illinois, Iowa, UMass and Northwestern arent just games to prepare us for the ones that matter. Fans should accept that.

Accept or don't...no one cares. You have no significance to the "men in the arena."

 

[LandoComando]

Accept or don't...no one cares. You have no significance to the "men in the arena."

Clearly people including you care. The players shouldn't nor have I said they should.

 

[marshall23]

True aside from the fact the expectations are set by that. Pretending playing Delaware, WVU, Illinois, Iowa, UMass and Northwestern arent just games to prepare us for the ones that matter. Fans should accept that.

When I was coaching a man cornered me down town and started talking football. The conversation went well until he said "I have a different philosophy than you". "I then asked where did you develop your philosophy?" That ended the conversation.

 

[LandoComando]

When I was coaching a man cornered me down town and started talking football. The conversation went well until he said "I have a different philosophy than you". "I then asked where did you develop your philosophy?" That ended the conversation.

Again, what does that have to do with anything? All it goes back to is you pretending coaches are above criticism because of how insecure you were...see your story.

 

[bono47]

You're honestly being absurd. We beat a horrible Illini team that played better defense against us than they did in their first two games against lesser opponents. Fans should be aware of the weaknesses their team's have. The objective, even if you don't comprehend it, is to win titles. Not just to "beat the teams we're supposed to beat". Chris Evert, who was elite, always talked about how a major didn't start for her until the semifinals because until then she was just beating the girls she was supposed to beat. That's why she made 52 of 56 semifinals. That's winner's mentality. Not "sweet we beat someone awful". Our season will be defined by 2 games unless we choke and lose to someone we shouldn't. Raise your expectations or at least accept others have.

It isnt about expectations. Psu didn't have to beat Osu or Michigan yesterday. They had to beat Illinois. Days, weeks, and months are between Psu and those 2 teams. Yes, those 2 games will define whether Psu is elite, but the hand wringing in week 3 when the freaking score was 30-7 after posters like you droned on forever about how Psu cannot handle heavy teams like Illinois is just absurd.

 

[LandoComando]

It isnt about expectations. Psu didn't have to beat Osu or Michigan yesterday. They had to beat Illinois. Days, weeks, and months are between Psu and those 2 teams. Yes, those 2 games will define whether Psu is elite, but the hand wringing in week 3 when the freaking score was 30-7 after posters like you droned on forever about how Psu cannot handle heavy teams like Illinois is just absurd.

But that wasn't even the main discussion. Through 3 games, not just yesterday, Penn State hasn't been able to create explosive plays in the run game. Sustaining long drives against better teams is more challenging. Drew wasn't accurate and was making poor decisions. Our OL hasn't shown they're good enough. We need WRs to step up. I'm not sure where you think I said anything about heavy teams. I've consistency said people are creating what they want to see regarding our DL not being big enough and it has been an issue. In fact, I'm not worried about the defense at all. I'm happy we're consistently beating the teams we should but I'm not going to pretend yesterday was anything that makes me think we will beat Michigan or Ohio State. But thankfully we have a bunch more easy wins before those games.

 

[marshall23]

Again, what does that have to do with anything? All it goes back to is you pretending coaches are above criticism because of how insecure you were...see your story.

Coaches aren't above criticism...goes with the job. People aren't smart enough to criticize surgeons....so they watch TV drink a lot of beer and coach from their couches.
I've always believed there are 2 kinds of guys ...football players and those who wish they could be.

 

[marshall23]

But that wasn't even the main discussion. Through 3 games, not just yesterday, Penn State hasn't been able to create explosive plays in the run game. Sustaining long drives against better teams is more challenging. Drew wasn't accurate and was making poor decisions. Our OL hasn't shown they're good enough. We need WRs to step up. I'm not sure where you think I said anything about heavy teams. I've consistency said people are creating what they want to see regarding our DL not being big enough and it has been an issue. In fact, I'm not worried about the defense at all. I'm happy we're consistently beating the teams we should but I'm not going to pretend yesterday was anything that makes me think we will beat Michigan or Ohio State. But thankfully we have a bunch more easy wins before those games.

Any moron can criticize...what are you gonna do to fix it? 🤔

 

[81b&w]

Any moron can criticize...what are you gonna do to fix it? 🤔

Good question! okay Lando, what would you do as a coach to correct the problems you mentioned?

 

[marshall23]

We should expect PSU to score 30 every game and rarely see the 1st team D give up more than one TD. oops...

 

[LandoComando]

We should expect PSU to score 30 every game and rarely see the 1st team D give up more than one TD. oops...

Again, did I criticize Franklin at all yesterday? Yesterday was fine...we just aren't good enough right now contend for a title. Thankfully Franklin has a few weeks to get then ready for Ohio State.
You continue to try to pretend beating bad teams is impressive. Is that what you did as a coach...beat bad teams so you could keep your job but never win a title?

 

[marshall23]

Again, did I criticize Franklin at all yesterday? Yesterday was fine...we just aren't good enough right now contend for a title. Thankfully Franklin has a few weeks to get then ready for Ohio State.
You continue to try to pretend beating bad teams is impressive. Is that what you did as a coach...beat bad teams so you could keep your job but never win a title?

What was your career like as a football coach?

 

[81b&w]

What was your career like as a football coach?

He was on a college hockey team that never won a championship (but he still played?). Probably got hit by a lot of "friendly fire" pucks

 

[joeaubie21]

He played .

With himself.

He was on a college hockey team that never won a championship (but he still played?)

 

[LandoComando]

What was your career like as a football coach?

Probably as many state titles as you have

 

[LandoComando]

He was on a college hockey team that never won a championship (but he still played?). Probably got hit by a lot of "friendly fire" pucks

Didn't play hockey in the US at that level. Played in Canada and won 2 titles playing while wearing the C but good try. Some people like being around people that expect to win.

 

[81b&w]

Didn't play hockey in the US at that level. Played in Canada and won 2 titles playing while wearing the C but good try. Some people like being around people that expect to win.

That's bs and you know it

 

[LandoComando]

That's bs and you know it

You know very little unlike me

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

True aside from the fact the expectations are set by that. Pretending playing Delaware, WVU, Illinois, Iowa, UMass and Northwestern arent just games to prepare us for the ones that matter. Fans should accept that.

Who isn't accepting that??? You constantly make up your own bullshit arguments. You need to accept that PSU looked better beating it's group of wins to-date than all of the teams ranked in front of them.

 

[LandoComando]

Who isn't accepting that??? You constantly make up your own bullshit arguments. You need to accept that PSU looked better beating it's group of wins to-date than all of the teams ranked in front of them.

All of the teams ranked ahead of them? See that's delusional and it's just looking at scores. You can make the argument for Ohio State but other than that it's a tough argument. At best we are on par with some others though others have better wins.

 

[81b&w]

You know very little unlike me

I specifically remember you saying you played for a divisional college team. Please answer my question from above as what you would do as a coach to correct the problems you mentioned

 

[joeaubie21]

I specifically remember you saying you played for a divisional college team. Please answer my question from above as what you would do as a coach to correct the problems you mentioned

He didn't play shit.

 

[marshall23]

Probably as many state titles as you have

Actually I coached in New York and they didn't have state playoffs then. I retired from coaching in 1986. I was only 36 years old but had been named district athletics director in 1983. My wife and I had two young sons and doing both jobs made it near impossible to do justice to a family. I enjoyed winning as much as any coach, but it would be a surprise to someone like you that winning was never the only thing that mattered. I won enough to be continously employed in the same district for 37 years. When I retired in 2009, the Superintendent of Schools, the Asst. Supt. and 3 school board members were former players of mine. In addition, another board member was a former student. I'm as proud of that legacy... perhaps more than conference championship s. I doubt you are capable of understanding or appreciating that.

 

[LandoComando]

I specifically remember you saying you played for a divisional college team. Please answer my question from above as what you would do as a coach to correct the problems you mentioned

I don't know why you think you're dictating what I respond to
I don't even think you know what I'm claiming are the issues

 

[LandoComando]

Actually I coached in New York and they didn't have state playoffs then. I retired from coaching in 1986. I was only 36 years old but had been named district athletics director in 1983. My wife and I had two young sons and doing both jobs made it near impossible to do justice to a family. I enjoyed winning as much as any coach, but it would be a surprise to someone like you that winning was never the only thing that mattered. I won enough to be continously employed in the same district for 37 years. When I retired in 2009, the Superintendent of Schools, the Asst. Supt. and 3 school board members were former players of mine. In addition, another board member was a former student. I'm as proud of that legacy... perhaps more than conference championship s. I doubt you are capable of understanding or appreciating that.

Of course they didn't have a playoff then--so we have the same number of state titles. Retired or "moved to a role that suited you better"? You can be proud of anything you want. You're the one that can't accept fans have expectations. I don't know why you think that's my problem.

You also haven't coached in nearly 40 years. The game has changed slightly.

 

[marshall23]

You know very little unlike me

Where pray tell did you gain the holy grail of football wisdom?

 

[LandoComando]

Where pray tell did you gain the holy grail of football wisdom?

Who said about football? Does that post say about football? Was the response even about football?

 

[AWS1022]

Actually I coached in New York and they didn't have state playoffs then. I retired from coaching in 1986. I was only 36 years old but had been named district athletics director in 1983. My wife and I had two young sons and doing both jobs made it near impossible to do justice to a family. I enjoyed winning as much as any coach, but it would be a surprise to someone like you that winning was never the only thing that mattered. I won enough to be continously employed in the same district for 37 years. When I retired in 2009, the Superintendent of Schools, the Asst. Supt. and 3 school board members were former players of mine. In addition, another board member was a former student. I'm as proud of that legacy... perhaps more than conference championship s. I doubt you are capable of understanding or appreciating that.

My brother was a high school girls basketball coach. When he died in a car accident, the number of current and former players that showed up to the funeral was unbelievable. None of them gave a sh!t about their win/loss record. Coaching is about a lot more than just wins and losses.