Update on teams we're rooting against today - according to Bracketology

[TenerHallTerror]

Last Four Byes

• Providence
• USC
• Baylor
• Texas

Last Four In

• Oklahoma
• UCLA
• Arizona State
• Louisville

First Four Out

• Oklahoma State
• Notre Dame
• Alabama
• Marquette

Next Four Out

• Syracuse
• Penn State
• Boise State
• Nebraska

Louisville lost bigly to UVA, 75-58
AZ State lost to Colorado yesterday
UCLA plays Stanford later today
Oklahoma lost to OK ST yesterday

Texas plays ranked Texas Tech later tonight
Baylor plays ranked WVU later tonight
USC plays Oregon State later tonight
Providence up now against Creighton

 

[TenerHallTerror]

I have a hard time believing 2 teams in "LAST FOUR IN", which lost in the first round of their conference tournaments, should make the cut over PSU . . .

 

[Erial_Lion]

I have a hard time believing 2 teams in "LAST FOUR IN", which lost in the first round of their conference tournaments, should make the cut over PSU . . .

Oklahoma is a lock in my mind. But Arizona State is a lot more of a toss-up.

 

[Cpeplion]

Oklahoma is a lock in my mind. But Arizona State is a lot more of a toss-up.

6-12 in their last 18 games is a "lock?" they don't deserve to be in.

 

[NewEra 2014]

Arizona State will be really interesting to watch during the NCAA selection process. ASU beat Kansas on the road and also beat Xavier at a neutral site in the process of going 12-0 in their nonconference schedule. I believe they were ranked as high as #4 in the country at one point.

Since then, they have only been 8-10 in conference, but had wins against fellow bubble teams USC and UCLA. They also lost in the first round of the Pac 12 tourney. So, does the committee truly look at a win in November the same as it does a win in March? The ASU team from November and December looked great--the ASU team from February and March is probably not an NIT team.

 

[wilbury]

6-12 in their last 18 games is a "lock?" they don't deserve to be in.

Agreed. Oklahoma is done and so is Louisville.

 

[bison13]

The committee wants Trae Young in the tourney

 

[Erial_Lion]

6-12 in their last 18 games is a "lock?"

Absolutely. Recent games carry no more weight than a game in November. I think Lunardi/Palm are currently missing on them by even having them in Dayton.

On February 11th, the committee did their early reveal to show how things stood on that date, and Oklahoma was a 4 seed (if I recall, both Palm and Lunardi had them under-seeded vs. the committee's seed that day).

Since then, they've had road losses to Texas Tech, Kansas, and Baylor, a neutral loss to Oklahoma St, and a home loss to Texas. They also had home wins over Kansas St and Iowa State. I don't see those last 7 games as being close to enough to knock them from a 4 seed to out of the tournament. They've got 6 wins over quad 1, and not a single loss in quads 3 or 4. Other teams on the bubble like St Mary's or Arizona State don't come close to this resume in my mind.

To me, they're a lot more likely to end up skipping Dayton and jumping right into the field than they are to be left out completely.

 

[redbyrds]

This is where Big Ten screwed up by playing tourney a week early. Out of sigh & out of mind. Long forgotten.

 

[PennStateNate]

Arizona State will be a really interesting to watch during the NCAA selection process. ASU beat Kansas on the road and also beat Xavier at a neutral site in the process of going 12-0 in their nonconference schedule. I believe they were ranked as high as #4 in the country at one point.

Since then, they have only been 8-10 in conference, but had wins against fellow bubble teams USC and UCLA. They also lost in the first round of the Pac 12 tourney. So, does the committee truly look at a win in November the same as it does a win in March? The ASU team from November and December looked great--the ASU team from February and March is probably not an NIT team.

I know it's the body of work, but I have a huge issue putting teams in based only on what they did in November in a tournament in Hawaii or Alaska. I think considering it's March, why not have more of focus on how a team played down the stretch. Oklahoma has lost 12 of their last 16. There is no way they should be a tournament team. I don't care if they have the best player, and if they beat Wichita State and Texas Tech early, I don't care if the 12 teams they lost too are tourney teams.

Louisville shouldn't go either. They have maybe the biggest scumbag program. They have been dirty for years. This committee could make a huge precedence holding Louisville out.

 

[BobPSU92]

BRACKETOLOGY.


I'm so tired of seeing that "word".

 

[PSU_sues_ncaa_big10]

I don’t see how games played later in the season shouldn’t be weighted more. The tournament is about who is playing the best basketball NOW.

If a team matures throughout the season they should be rewarded for that.

6-12 is laughable, and unless those six wins all came against top 10 comp, they shouldn’t be invited.

 

[psuro]

6-12 in their last 18 games is a "lock?" they don't deserve to be in.

They really seemed to fall off a cliff once teams figured out how to defend the freshman.

 

[psuro]

This is where Big Ten screwed up by playing tourney a week early. Out of sigh & out of mind. Long forgotten.

The Big East has held that time slot at MSG for decades - they were not going to move it for the Big Ten. If Big Ten held their tourney somewhere else, they would be playing now. The upside is that for any Big Ten school with injured players, they have a chance to heal before the tourney.

 

[PennStateNate]

Nevada and UNLV are in a close game.. A UNLV win would kill it for a bubble team.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

Can we stop pretending we've been great as of late. 7-5 in our last 12. There's a good possibility Watkins won't play. Root for a perfect scenario...I just don't believe one exists. Arizona State winning at Kansas will carry a lot of weight--how much weight we'll find out

 

[BobPSU92]

Can we stop pretending we've been great as of late. 7-5 in our last 12. There's a good possibility Watkins won't play. Root for a perfect scenario...I just don't believe one exists. Arizona State winning at Kansas will carry a lot of weight--how much weight we'll find out

If you will stop trying to convince us you are one of us.

You’re a troll. We all know it. Be a responsible adult and admit it. No more bullshit.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

If you will stop trying to convince us you are one of us.

You’re a troll. We all know it. Be a responsible adult and admit it. No more bullshit.

How was that trolling? Because I don't think we're a tournament team. No one should think we're a tournament team. Do I need to post the resume again?

 

[TenerHallTerror]

If you will stop trying to convince us you are one of us.

You’re a troll. We all know it. Be a responsible adult and admit it. No more bullshit.

hey man. ignore feature. it is wonderful for trolls like him.

 

[BobPSU92]

hey man. ignore feature. it is wonderful for trolls like him.

Are you saying I should please take the opportunity?

 

[TenerHallTerror]

Are you saying I should please take the opportunity?

Please take this opportunity to crib someone else's catch phrase

 

[psuro]

Please take this opportunity to crib someone else's catch phrase

Blaming Jay for that.

 

[Nittanygrad93]

Would Watkins be healthy enough to play the first game? If so, the team should make sure that is public knowledge. The committee can look at all factors in wins/losses, plus the competitiveness they could expect to see in Tourney.

I would like to see a PSU vs. Oklahoma "play in" game. Match up a team that has shown improvement in the 2nd half of season against a highly regarded team that has fallen off.

 

[Dave-97]

Not only won’t we get in, we don’t deserve to get in. Period.

 

[Fox Chapel Lion II]

Providence squeezed out a win over Cryton in OT. They're in. Root for Villanova over Marquette coming up at 7. Floor-slapper Wojo might still have a shot with a win.

Definitely root for Seton Hall (already in) over Buttler (on the bubble).

Lions have a chance, but not a real good one. Losing to trash like Minny and Wiscy were flat out killers.

 

[ChiTownLion]

 

[Erial_Lion]

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I think that he's an awesome salesman.

 

[Fox Chapel Lion II]

Notre Dame getting smoked while Cats blowing away Marquette. So there's two pretenders going down the tubes. Certainly does not hurt the Lions' flickering hopes.

 

[Ranger Dan]

Oklahoma is a lock in my mind. But Arizona State is a lot more of a toss-up.

Oklahoma is in because of their phenom guard...

 

[Erial_Lion]

Oklahoma is in because of their phenom guard...

Means nothing to the committee. If you're saying that he's the reason they got so many big wins, then sure. But it's not like teams with a star player get looked at more favorably than teams without one from a historical perspective.

 

[Ranger Dan]

Means nothing to the committee. If you're saying that he's the reason they got so many big wins, then sure. But it's not like teams with a star player get looked at more favorably than teams without one from a historical perspective.

No, I’m saying that the NCAA tournament is about making money and they will want all of the stars in the tournament. That is the only way Oklahoma even gets considered, let alone gets invited.

 

[psu00]

1 more down with the Texas loss to Texas Tech. UCLA won.

 

[Erial_Lion]

No, I’m saying that the NCAA tournament is about making money and they will want all of the stars in the tournament. That is the only way Oklahoma even gets considered, let alone gets invited.

Lol, that's completely inaccurate based on the history of the committee. Tickets are sold, ads are sold, contracts are signed for the next 20 years. They aren't changing the criteria on the fly this year.

What about Oklahoma's 6 quad 1wins do people not understand? Who else on the bubble has that? What about zero quad 3/4 losses?

Seems like everyone's big reason for keeping them out is their recent record. Except that it isn't a criteria for selection. But somehow, the only way Oklahoma gets "considered" based on their resume is the existence of an All-Big 12 first team player that didn't get a single vote for Conference Player of the Year?

 

[psu00]

Looks like a bid steal team in Conference USA. 1 seed Middle Tennessee (24-7) was upset in OT by Southern Miss (16-17). Does C-USA now get 2 bids and steal a bid from a P5 team or does Middle Tennessee get left out?

 

[78SweetRevenge]

Looks like a bid steal team in Conference USA. 1 seed Middle Tennessee (24-7) was upset in OT by Southern Miss (16-17). Does C-USA now get 2 bids and steal a bid from a P5 team or does Middle Tennessee get left out?

MT is very much a bubble team. Lots of good things today but that wasn't one of them

 

[Erial_Lion]

Looks like a bid steal team in Conference USA. 1 seed Middle Tennessee (24-7) was upset in OT by Southern Miss (16-17). Does C-USA now get 2 bids and steal a bid from a P5 team or does Middle Tennessee get left out?

I'd say a coin flip at this point. I think their ceiling might be heading to Dayton, but they're a team that will watch everything else that happens this week VERY closely. They sure did pick a bad week to start playing poorly and lay two enormous eggs.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

MT is really lacking quality wins...thinking 16-2 CUSA record may not be enough to make up for that.

 

[Erial_Lion]

MT is really lacking quality wins...thinking 16-2 CUSA record may not be enough to make up for that.

When it comes down to matching up teams though, they've got that #9 Non-Conf SOS that the committee usually loves (to go along with that RPI of 32). I'm interested to see how bad tonight hurts them in the predictive metrics (Pomeroy hasn't updated with that game yet, but a quick calc on my end takes them from 43rd to 50th), and obviously if the committee cares about them. When it gets down to matching up teams like them vs. Alabama (if Bama loses tomorrow), the resumes couldn't be more different.

 

[AWS1022]

MT is really lacking quality wins...thinking 16-2 CUSA record may not be enough to make up for that.

Nor should it be...16 wins in a garbage Conference shouldn’t get a team in. Many of the P5 teams that are on the bubble would have won that conference.

 

[psu00]

MT is really lacking quality wins...thinking 16-2 CUSA record may not be enough to make up for that.

True but they’ve held up pretty well with P5 teams they did play. Lost to Auburn by 6, USC by 5, and Miami by 3. It wouldn’t shock me either way- if they got left out or were one of the last 4 in.