Update on teams we're rooting against today - according to Bracketology

[UncleLar]

But there are 8-10 Conference Teams getting in.

The tournament committee doesn't evaluate conference records, they look at the record as a whole. Nebraska is 22-10 against the 94th strongest schedule, Penn State is 21-13 against the 74th strongest schedule. Nebraska has is 1-6 against teams in the top 50 RPI, Penn State is 3-5. They are pretty equal.

Those 8-10 teams that get in will undoubtedly have better overall results than either Nebraska or PSU.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

But there are 8-10 Conference Teams getting in.

In better conferences...you can't look at conference record and disregard the strength of those schedules. 8-10 in the SEC or ACC is much higher thought of than 9-9 in the big Ten and probably even 13-5 in the Big Ten

 

[78SweetRevenge]

Bama beat Auburn--pretty sure they're a lock now

 

[Erial_Lion]

In better conferences...you can't look at conference record and disregard the strength of those schedules. 8-10 in the SEC or ACC is much higher thought of than 9-9 in the big Ten and probably even 13-5 in the Big Ten

Really, it all depends on the strength of those teams that got you to 8-10 or 13-5 (due to unbalanced schedules). There are Big Ten schedules where going 8-10 could be better than going 8-10 in the SEC. And there are other scenarios where going 8-10 in the SEC is better than 13-5 in the Big Ten.

In Nebraska's case, they missed out on their 3 potential toughest home games by only playing Michigan St, Purdue, and Ohio State once each (on the road only). Looking at their 18 games, their 5 teams that they played twice (with their seed in the tourney) were Penn State (7), Wisconsin (9), Minnesota (11), Illinois (13), and Rutgers (14). When you miss out on a game against the top 5 teams other than yourself while doubling up on 3 of the bottom 4 teams, you're going to need to look beyond the conference record (wasn't meant for 78SR, more just in general for those that can't see how the committee could pass over a 13-5 B1G team)

 

[PennStateNate]

Oklahoma has lost 13 of 16, I doubt they have better results..
Texas, Oklahoma State, Notre Dame, Alabama, Arizona State aren't better than Penn State right now.

Bama just beat Auburn and that doesn't say much for the SEC. It's a pretty bad basketball conference and has been for the last few years, outside Kentucky who we all know isn't clean.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Oklahoma has lost 13 of 16, I doubt they have better results..
Texas, Oklahoma State, Notre Dame, Alabama, Arizona State aren't better than Penn State right now.

Bama just beat Auburn and that doesn't say much for the SEC. It's a pretty bad basketball conference and has been for the last few years, outside Kentucky who we all know isn't clean.

Again, record in "last 16 games" isn't a criteria for the committee to use in the selection process (plus, if you're going to throw their record in the last 16 out there, at least get it right, as it's 5-11).

And what are you using the base the "no one is as good as Penn State right now"? The BushwoodNate eye-test?

Second, the fact that you consider the SEC (the likely 4th best conference out of the 32) as a "pretty bad basketball conference" makes me wonder which conferences are "average" or "good". How many good conferences are out there? Just the Big Ten?

 

[PennStateNate]

In better conferences...you can't look at conference record and disregard the strength of those schedules. 8-10 in the SEC or ACC is much higher thought of than 9-9 in the big Ten and probably even 13-5 in the Big Ten

SEC is garbage.. If you think it's a better basketball conference then the Big Ten you are a total moron, which I already know the answer for you.

 

[PennStateNate]

Again, record in "last 16 games" isn't a criteria for the committee to use in the selection process (plus, if you're going to throw their record in the last 16 out there, at least get it right, as it's 5-11).

And what are you using the base the "no one is as good as Penn State right now"? The BushwoodNate eye-test?

Second, the fact that you consider the SEC (the likely 4th best conference out of the 32) as a "pretty bad basketball conference" makes me wonder which conferences are "average" or "good". How many good conferences are out there? Just the Big Ten?

When you do your bracketology at home, is that what you use?

 

[Erial_Lion]

SEC is garbage.. If you think it's a better basketball conference then the Big Ten you are a total moron, which I already know the answer for you.

Lol. Why do you post such ridiculous stuff about topics on which you obviously have no clue?

 

[UncleLar]

Oklahoma has lost 13 of 16, I doubt they have better results..
Texas, Oklahoma State, Notre Dame, Alabama, Arizona State aren't better than Penn State right now.

Oklahoma has played 17 games against teams in the top 50 in the BPI, they are 8-9 in those games.
Penn State has played 11 games against teams in the top 50 in the BPI, they are 4-7 in those games (and three of the four wins came against one team).

 

[78SweetRevenge]

Oklahoma has played 17 games against teams in the top 50 in the BPI, they are 8-9 in those games.
Penn State has played 11 games against teams in the top 50 in the BPI, they are 4-7 in those games (and three of the four wins came against one team).

He doesn't like facts. This won't go over well
Also, remember if you accept that fact that the SEC > Big Ten you're a "total moron"

 

[BobPSU92]

He doesn't like facts. This won't go over well
Also, remember if you accept that fact that the SEC > Big Ten you're a "total moron"

You’re a total moron regardless.

 

[sluggo72]

Better root against Marshall tomorrow, because if they win, get ready for 3 from cUSA!!!

 

[Erial_Lion]

Better root against Marshall tomorrow, because if they win, get ready for 3 from cUSA!!!

I don't think ODU or WKU get in with a loss to Marshall. Don't see any realistic chance of this being a 3 bid league.

 

[PennStateNate]

Oklahoma has played 17 games against teams in the top 50 in the BPI, they are 8-9 in those games.
Penn State has played 11 games against teams in the top 50 in the BPI, they are 4-7 in those games (and three of the four wins came against one team).

Oklahoma has lost 13 of 16, was 8-10 in Big 12 and lost 13 games overall.. Don't care how you spill who they played, their big wins early, the ended the year as one of the worst teams in the country in a 16 game stretch. They don't deserve a bid.

 

[PennStateNate]

Better root against Marshall tomorrow, because if they win, get ready for 3 from cUSA!!!

1 bid most likely, maybe 2 if MTSU is an at large, but several bracketologists have them out now.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Oklahoma has lost 13 of 16

Regardless of how many times you say this, it doesn't make it true...

 

[PennStateNate]

Oklahoma State RPI is 85 and NCSS is 311 and they are a bubble team.. Joke

 

[Erial_Lion]

Oklahoma State RPI is 85 and NCSS is 311 and they are a bubble team.. Joke

They aren't getting in, you can turn your angst elsewhere.

 

[CDLionFL]

Providence's win tonite probably puts them in. San Diego State's demolition of Nevada likely makes Mountain West a 2-bid league.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Providence's win tonite probably puts them in. San Diego State's demolition of Nevada likely makes Mountain West a 2-bid league.

Mountain West definitely a 2 bid league now (and San Diego St could be a really dangerous ~13 seed, they are finally finding their game after a blah season). And tonight's Providence game didn't really mean anything to the bubble as they were already pretty safe.

 

[CDLionFL]

Mountain West definitely a 2 bid league now (and San Diego St could be a really dangerous ~13 seed, they are finally finding their game after a blah season). And tonight's Providence game didn't really mean anything to the bubble as they were already pretty safe.

I'm overly conservative when it comes to declaring teams in or out. But after tonite, the picture becomes a lot clearer. The biggest thing I see is that there are so many teams in that 20-11, 20-12, 21-11, 22-11 area. It's really difficult to discern one team from another.

 

[Erial_Lion]

I'm overly conservative when it comes to declaring teams in or out. But after tonite, the picture becomes a lot clearer. The biggest thing I see is that there are so many teams in that 20-11, 20-12, 21-11, 22-11 area. It's really difficult to discern one team from another.

For me, the difficulty comes in figuring out how big of a role (if at all) the predictive metrics will play. I'd have a pretty good feel if the committee sticks to the same stuff they've done for 20 years, but will the predictive stuff play a role with those teams that are so close to one another (i.e. the Saint Mary's and Notre Dame's)?

 

[CDLionFL]

For me, the difficulty comes in figuring out how big of a role (if at all) the predictive metrics will play. I'd have a pretty good feel if the committee sticks to the same stuff they've done for 20 years, but will the predictive stuff play a role with those teams that are so close to one another (i.e. the Saint Mary's and Notre Dame's)?

What would you define as the predictive metrics?

 

[Erial_Lion]

What would you define as the predictive metrics?

Pomeroy, BPI, and Sagarin (they are the 3 appearing on the team sheets this year).

 

[CDLionFL]

Pomeroy, BPI, and Sagarin (they are the 3 appearing on the team sheets this year).

Gotcha. I put a lot of stock in the records against the top 50 and I'm lending credence to the Q1 wins and how many you have. A team like St. Mary's doesn't have many opportunities for Q1 wins or top 50 wins because they play in a crap conference. But they also can't be losing to BYU and Wazzu. Just like ND can't be losing to the likes of Indiana and at home against Ball State. I think SMC should be in because (oh gosh, here it comes) they look like a tourney team. ND, I need to dig in more on.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Gotcha. I put a lot of stock in the records against the top 50 and I'm lending credence to the Q1 wins and how many you have. A team like St. Mary's doesn't have many opportunities for Q1 wins or top 50 wins because they play in a crap conference. But they also can't be losing to BYU and Wazzu. Just like ND can't be losing to the likes of Indiana and at home against Ball State. I think SMC should be in because (oh gosh, here it comes) they look like a tourney team. ND, I need to dig in more on.

So much for ND is how much leeway the committee gives with the Bonzi Colson injury. Hard to find another situation of a player of his caliber (top 5-10 guy nationally) missing half the season for a team right on the cut line. But they had some questionable performances with him as well. I thought they could be that team this year that a lot of people miss on (sneaking in to Dayton when most have them out), but the shrinking bubble has me questioning if there is really room.

 

[CDLionFL]

So much for ND is how much leeway the committee gives with the Bonzi Colson injury. Hard to find another situation of a player of his caliber (top 5-10 guy nationally) missing half the season for a team right on the cut line. But they had some questionable performances with him as well. I thought they could be that team this year that a lot of people miss on (sneaking in to Dayton when most have them out), but the shrinking bubble has me questioning if there is really room.

I think if they don't lose those games to Indiana and Ball State with Colson in the lineup, they probably get the benefit of the doubt. That was a real good team they had in Maui and those two losses were pretty odd to have happened. And then they go 3-2 with him in this truncated stretch but one of the wins was a lackluster effort against Pitt so it's really difficult to gauge it.

 

[psu00]

So much for ND is how much leeway the committee gives with the Bonzi Colson injury. Hard to find another situation of a player of his caliber (top 5-10 guy nationally) missing half the season for a team right on the cut line. But they had some questionable performances with him as well. I thought they could be that team this year that a lot of people miss on (sneaking in to Dayton when most have them out), but the shrinking bubble has me questioning if there is really room.

After Nevada’s loss tonight the bubble is definitely shrinking.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

Wait so someone that thinks we're going to the NIT is now a troll....what happens when we go to the NIT? Does that make them a troll or just infinitely smarter than you?

Jerry Palm doesn't even have us a bubble team right now. Is he a troll?

 

[PennStateNate]

Wait so someone that thinks we're going to the NIT is now a troll....what happens when we go to the NIT? Does that make them a troll or just infinitely smarter than you?

Jerry Palm doesn't even have us a bubble team right now. Is he a troll?

No people who have to use multiple names to get their point across are trolls.

Nobody argued If Penn State was going to NIT or not. People argued late in the season Penn State was as impressive as some teams making the tourney.

 

[78SweetRevenge]

No people who have to use multiple names to get their point across are trolls.

Nobody argued If Penn State was going to NIT or not. People argued late in the season Penn State was as impressive as some teams making the tourney.

Then why are you still arguing. You're wrong...we're out. Accept that fact and then the countless people, not accounts telling you that you're an idiot can stop stating the obvious

 

[PennStateNate]

Then why are you still arguing. You're wrong...we're out. Accept that fact and then the countless people, not accounts telling you that you're an idiot can stop stating the obvious

Cause I’m saying Penn State resume looks better then St Bonaventure and MTSU. I don’t care what their RPI is. MTSU has 0 wins vs top 50.

Again, we know PSU is NIT bound. We also know you are happy about that.

 

[CDLionFL]

Cool, you win. Fairgambit said "this board has lost it's soul", and I understand exactly what he means. I'll take his lead and take a break (did it last year too from March to September after I couldn't deal with some of the hoops talk any more, and I'm a saner man for it).

I'll just let you and Nate have in-depth conversations about bubble teams, since anything I've brought to the table makes me either a Pitt fan or another poster that also gets the selection process. See you in the fall...

It's pretty frickin pathetic that there can't be actual discussion about topics without the keyboard warriors coming out of their basement and hijacking it. Go find something else to do @PeetzPoolBoy

 

[PeetzPoolBoy]

It's pretty frickin pathetic that there can't be actual discussion about topics without the keyboard warriors coming out of their basement and hijacking it. Go find something else to do @PeetzPoolBoy

If you don't like me or my posts, simply place me on "Ignore". It's really that simple.

 

[ChiTownLion]

Not sure where to drop this, but what a bucket.

 

[AWS1022]

Bama beat Auburn--pretty sure they're a lock now

Boy, Bama sure looked like a tournament team today.

 

[AWS1022]

In better conferences...you can't look at conference record and disregard the strength of those schedules. 8-10 in the SEC or ACC is much higher thought of than 9-9 in the big Ten and probably even 13-5 in the Big Ten

The Big 12 continues to be Kansas and everyone else and looks like the SEC is once again UK and everyone else.

 

[AWS1022]

The Big 12 continues to be Kansas and everyone else and looks like the SEC is once again UK and everyone else.

And again, the SEC is in fact UK and everyone else. If these conferences are so great, shouldn’t someone else win once in a while?

 

[78SweetRevenge]

Bama getting blown out by Kentucky doesn't alter the fact they added another quality win the day prior against Auburn. Overall resume. I know you hate the word resume because you don't like to actually research things.

Kentucky & Kansas winning their conference tournaments don't have anything to do with other teams "being good enough to qualify the NCAAs". Winning the Big XII or SEC isn't a requirement. Both conferences, unlike the Big Ten this year, have depth.