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The why couldn't they score more than 11 points? I mean... gaping holes? No DB within 10 yards of receptions? Very strange.

And why would their average reception be for on 7.9 yards if nobody was within 10 yards of them when they caught the ball???? They only had 167 yards of passing offense on 22 receptions (30 attempts). Very unimpressive and not emblematic of receivers that were uncovered by 10 yards all day.
 
Agree. USC didn't play their A game but will against us after being upset and dropped in the polls. But they are supposed to have a great set of WRs and their QB looked great in their opener vs LSU. On the other hand, this is not a great MN team. they've lost to North Carolina, Iowa (gave up 31 to Iowa's weak O), and Michigan. North Carolina, BTW, has lost to James Madison, Pitt and Duke.

USC has lost two out of the last three games.
Should be a line of scrimmage game. They will come out with a lot of energy and I predict a close game with PSU gradually wearing them down. Look for PSU to make them run sideline to sideline early and then run right at them later in the game.

For USC to win they need to score early and often, which could happen considering how our Defense has started most games this year. If that happens, Franklin may have to finally turn Drew loose.
 
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Lets hope you are right on Saturday. Make sure and watch the game!

If anybody needs to watch the game, it's probably you. Loya got open 3 times, the TE once (they went back to this play and we blew it up), and the RB for the big game off what was a probably OPI or a hold on Robinson by thr TE (to their credit, they schemed it up and it worked without a flag).

If 5 open passes is it, I think we are doing fine. Irrelevant to the USC game, which will require better offense and similar or better defense, but I digress.
 
If anybody needs to watch the game, it's probably you. Loya got open 3 times, the TE once (they went back to this play and we blew it up), and the RB for the big game off what was a probably OPI or a hold on Robinson by thr TE (to their credit, they schemed it up and it worked without a flag).

If 5 open passes is it, I think we are doing fine. Irrelevant to the USC game, which will require better offense and similar or better defense, but I digress.
USC has averaged 424.4 average yards per game, including 293 passing yards per game. They threw for 378 yards vs LSU. Now, before you shoot from the hip again, put up our stats and see how they match up vs USC. All I'm saying is USC can be very dangerous with their passing game and I'm not sold on our secondary.

If we are close to those stats I will yield to your statements, but we are "83" in the country in passing. We have to use this physical OL to pound the ball and keep USC's QB and WR's off the field in order to win.
 
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Lets hope you are right on Saturday. Make sure and watch the game!
USC has a much better passing attack than UCLA. I'm confident that they'll score more points. USC is averaging nearly 300 yds passing per game compared to less than 200 yds for UCLA. USC is averaging more than 30 point per game compared to 14 for UCLA.

PSU is giving up 157 pass yards per game but they've done it against weaker opponents. I'd be surprised if PSU can hold USC to less than 240 yds passing. IMO that's why we need to control time of possession and win the turnover battle. I think part of this requires that PSU can put pressure on Miller Moss with a 4 man rush. I worry that USC will take advantage if we blitz LBs or Reed too often. JMO.
 
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USC has averaged 424.4 average yards per game, including 293 passing yards per game. They threw for 378 yards vs LSU. Now, before you shoot from the hip again, put up our stats and see how they match up vs USC. All I'm saying is USC can be very dangerous with their passing game and I'm not sold on our secondary.

If we are close to those stats I will yield to your statements, but we are "83" in the country in passing. We have to use this physical OL to pound the ball and keep USC's QB and WR's off the field in order to win.

This response has ZERO to do with "UCLA had guys wide open all day". Obviously you took the few good plays they had and made more of it than it was. They had 3 pts before garbage time.

In another post, I just discussed USCs passing stats. LSU is ranked in the 80s in pass defense. Michigan in the 110s. I'm not saying USC doesn't have a dangerous passing attack (Riley always does), but I think the fear is overdone. They have good stats vs good brands, but this USC team could be 5-0 and the fact that they aren't says they have some weaknesses.

Our stats vs theirs?

Offense. 461 vs 442, good guys.
Defense. 233 vs 316, advantage us.
 
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USC has a much better passing attack than UCLA. I'm confident that they'll score more points. USC is averaging nearly 300 yds passing per game compared to less than 200 yds for UCLA. USC is averaging more than 30 point per game compared to 14 for UCLA.

PSU is giving up 157 pass yards per game but they've done it against weaker opponents. I'd be surprised if PSU can hold USC to less than 240 yds passing. IMO that's why we need to control time of possession and win the turnover battle. I think part of this requires that PSU can put pressure on Miller Moss with a 4 man rush. I worry that USC will take advantage if we blitz LBs or Reed too often. JMO.
Moss can have a ton of yards but if they can't score, it doesn't matter. They can drive the field, stall in the redzone and then we dial up the QB pressure.
 
I think this is a challenging game. We're rightly favored to win it...but not by a lot.

It's pretty bizarre this notion of vicarious manhood where anyone who thinks the game may not be a walk-over must be a "pussy." Good grief.

Fortunately, the fans aren't the ones playing. But if some of them revel in showing how tough they are from their armchairs, well, to each his own.
Bzzzzzzzzzzzz. Bad word you used there. It's not pussy, it's "sexual epithet"
 
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This response has ZERO to do with "UCLA had guys wide open all day". Obviously you took the few good plays they had and made more of it than it was. They had 3 pts before garbage time.

In another post, I just discussed USCs passing stats. LSU is ranked in the 80s in pass defense. Michigan in the 110s. I'm not saying USC doesn't have a dangerous passing attack (Riley always does), but I think the fear is overdone. They have good stats vs good brands, but this USC team could be 5-0 and the fact that they aren't says they have some weaknesses.

Our stats vs theirs?

Offense. 461 vs 442, good guys.
Defense. 233 vs 316, advantage us.
We are ranked #83 in passing; USC #20; Pitt #6; Miami is #1. All I'm pointing out is if USC gets the passing game going we will have a problem. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Our run game has been great and I hope that continues on Sat. If not, we are toast since USC can be very dangerous with their passing game in the Coliseum. Remember 2017? Remember 2009?
 
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USC has averaged 424.4 average yards per game, including 293 passing yards per game. They threw for 378 yards vs LSU. Now, before you shoot from the hip again, put up our stats and see how they match up vs USC. All I'm saying is USC can be very dangerous with their passing game and I'm not sold on our secondary.
USC can definitely be dangerous with their passing game but you shouldn't rely on comparative stats.

PSU has played BGSU, Kent, & UCLA. WVa and Illinois are the only 2 competitive teams they've played. The only uncompetitive game USC has played is Utah State. Their other games were against LSU, Mich, Wisc, & Minn. Like Klatt says USC is two plays away from being undefeated against a good schedule.

IMO PSU could win this game by 10 points but they could also lose. We just haven't played enough tough opponents to tell how good we are. Let's hope Donkoh is 100%. I'm also concerned about the secondary since Winston went out.
 
We are ranked #83 in passing; USC #20; Pitt #6; Miami is #1. All I'm pointing out is if USC gets the passing game going we will have a problem. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Our run game has been great and I hope that continues on Sat. If not, we are toast since USC can be very dangerous with their passing game in the Coliseum. Remember 2017? Remember 2009?
Totally agree except that stats can be misleading this early when teams haven't yet faced tough opponents.

My question is what kind of run game does PSU have? 239 yds vs Illinois but only 85 yds vs UCLA.
 
USC has a much better passing attack than UCLA. I'm confident that they'll score more points. USC is averaging nearly 300 yds passing per game compared to less than 200 yds for UCLA. USC is averaging more than 30 point per game compared to 14 for UCLA.

PSU is giving up 157 pass yards per game but they've done it against weaker opponents. I'd be surprised if PSU can hold USC to less than 240 yds passing. IMO that's why we need to control time of possession and win the turnover battle. I think part of this requires that PSU can put pressure on Miller Moss with a 4 man rush. I worry that USC will take advantage if we blitz LBs or Reed too often. JMO.
Biggest concern is Moss passes all over us and without Winston that concern grows. I am not sold on our secondary and with their big WRs they can take advantage of matchups.

On offense it will be good to control time of possession but we cannot be conservative. Just running it with a vanilla offensive game plan won't be enough. We have to be aggressive and keep them off balance. Now, if we are on a drive and Singleton and Allen are gashing them for 6-7 yards a pop then just keep pounding it until they can stop it, of course. Eventually they will be able to stop the run and we need to be able to throw it. We should dictate that not them by surprising them.
 
USC can definitely be dangerous with their passing game but you shouldn't rely on comparative stats.

PSU has played BGSU, Kent, & UCLA. WVa and Illinois are the only 2 competitive teams they've played. The only uncompetitive game USC has played is Utah State. Their other games were against LSU, Mich, Wisc, & Minn. Like Klatt says USC is two plays away from being undefeated against a good schedule.

IMO PSU could win this game by 10 points but they could also lose. We just haven't played enough tough opponents to tell how good we are. Let's hope Donkoh is 100%. I'm also concerned about the secondary since Winston went out.
What did Franklin say about Donkoh?
 
We are ranked #83 in passing; USC #20; Pitt #6; Miami is #1. All I'm pointing out is if USC gets the passing game going we will have a problem. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Our run game has been great and I hope that continues on Sat. If not, we are toast since USC can be very dangerous with their passing game in the Coliseum. Remember 2017? Remember 2009?

I'm not arguing the "if's"; I completely understand.

-if USC can pass effectively
-if we can't run against the Trojan defense
-if USC gets pass blocking on par with 2009 and 2017 Rose Bowl USC OLs

Do you want any more contingencies?

I don't think USC can match up on either LoS. I think they will have to have big plays to stay in the game. I think we will slowly bludgeon them the way we beat Illinois. Red zone efficiency on our behalf will be big. I hope Nick and Tre punch em in from 30+ before getting there.
 
Biggest concern is Moss passes all over us and without Winston that concern grows. I am not sold on our secondary and with their big WRs they can take advantage of matchups.

On offense it will be good to control time of possession but we cannot be conservative. Just running it with a vanilla offensive game plan won't be enough. We have to be aggressive and keep them off balance. Now, if we are on a drive and Singleton and Allen are gashing them for 6-7 yards a pop then just keep pounding it until they can stop it, of course. Eventually they will be able to stop the run and we need to be able to throw it. We should dictate that not them by surprising them.
Winston basically hasn't played since the WV game; it's time to stop qualifying the defense because he isn't playing and judge them since he left the lineup. It's unfortunate that he isn't playing, but that's football and you have to accept that.
 
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We are ranked #83 in passing; USC #20; Pitt #6; Miami is #1. All I'm pointing out is if USC gets the passing game going we will have a problem. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Our run game has been great and I hope that continues on Sat. If not, we are toast since USC can be very dangerous with their passing game in the Coliseum. Remember 2017? Remember 2009?
We're ranked that low in passing because, IMO, we don't pass enough and trust our talented qb.
 
What did Franklin say about Donkoh?

IIRC he said he hopes to have Donkoh back but that doesn't mean he'll be 100%. That's what I'm hoping for.

Reading between the lines of what was said on podcast this week, Donkoh practiced, but was taking reps with the 2nd team or behind Rucci in drills that were made available to the media.

Rucci will have to struggle or I suspect we TRY to rest Donkoh.
 
USC has averaged 424.4 average yards per game, including 293 passing yards per game. They threw for 378 yards vs LSU. Now, before you shoot from the hip again, put up our stats and see how they match up vs USC. All I'm saying is USC can be very dangerous with their passing game and I'm not sold on our secondary.

If we are close to those stats I will yield to your statements, but we are "83" in the country in passing. We have to use this physical OL to pound the ball and keep USC's QB and WR's off the field in order to win.

They also threw for 200 yards and 2 picks against Minnesota last week... They probably beat Minnesota last week if they'd stayed committed to running the ball. Removing sacks they ran for 182 yards on 26 carries. They threw for 200 yards on 38 attempts.
 
Reading between the lines of what was said on podcast this week, Donkoh practiced, but was taking reps with the 2nd team or behind Rucci in drills that were made available to the media.

Rucci will have to struggle or I suspect we TRY to rest Donkoh.
Of course we're just guessing but I think Franklin starts Donkoh unless he's well less than 100%. This game is too big for Franklin to play it safe.
 
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USC has a much better passing attack than UCLA. I'm confident that they'll score more points. USC is averaging nearly 300 yds passing per game compared to less than 200 yds for UCLA. USC is averaging more than 30 point per game compared to 14 for UCLA.

PSU is giving up 157 pass yards per game but they've done it against weaker opponents. I'd be surprised if PSU can hold USC to less than 240 yds passing. IMO that's why we need to control time of possession and win the turnover battle. I think part of this requires that PSU can put pressure on Miller Moss with a 4 man rush. I worry that USC will take advantage if we blitz LBs or Reed too often. JMO.

Best way to keep Miller Moss and those receivers from doing damage is to keep them off the field. The O doesn't have to score 40 points (which it probably can't do) but running the ball and sustaining drives matters a lot. I don't think PSU wins a shootout with these guys but PSU can win by playing bully ball.
 
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Of course we're just guessing but I think Franklin starts Donkoh unless he's well less than 100%. This game is too big for Franklin to play it safe.
So this I disagree with. I don't think he plays unless he's 100% or damn near it.
 
Of course we're just guessing but I think Franklin starts Donkoh unless he's well less than 100%. This game is too big for Franklin to play it safe.
It's not a big game according to resident board experts.
 
Seriously, they were not good last year, and if Williams had not bailed them out in several games, they would have had more losses.

And then they had 7 guys drafted and 4 others invited to camp, and have the predictable growing pains of adjusting to Big 10 football to deal with.

I just hope we get a few weeks after Saturday where the pussies on this board refrain from trying to pump up every opponent just to see themselves type.

Good call. Just a bunch of pussies pumping up every opponent to see themselves type. Big Game James has got this.
 
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Good call. Just a bunch of pussies pumping up every opponent to see themselves type. Big Game James has got this.
This isn't even a big game--if he loses this it takes away from him winning games he's supposed to
 
Miller Moss 20/34 220 yards
Drew Allar 30/43 391 yards

Penn State 3 turnovers
USC 1 turnover

Penn State rushing 31/118 yards
USC rushing 24/189 yards
 
PSU was ranked #2 in the nation when they blew a big Q4 lead to lose to OSU by 1 in 2017. Several other losses were when OSU was ranked just a few spots above PSU (2018, 2019, 2023).

PSU was 4-5 in 2020 and 7-6 in 2021 so Franklin obviously hasn't been 100% for everybody but OSU & UM.
O$U was better that year. And no one counts the Covid year and you know that. Or.. are we going to count a win at an empty Michigan stadium as a win?
 
PSU was ranked #2 in the nation when they blew a big Q4 lead to lose to OSU by 1 in 2017. Several other losses were when OSU was ranked just a few spots above PSU (2018, 2019, 2023).

PSU was 4-5 in 2020 and 7-6 in 2021 so Franklin obviously hasn't been 100% for everybody but OSU & UM.

Paterno was 3 - 9 on his 11th season in the Big Ten. Then 4 - 7 in his 12th. What is your point?
 
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