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So obviously with the Facundo and Kibe commitments ( though verbal, we’ll assume for now they’re on board ), the upper weights are taken care of for years to come. So “what’s left”?

Once again we need a 125. Figs and Stevo come to mind first. Hopefully one of them end up in Happy Valley and that will take care of that. Howard and Bartlett coming in help the situation but are they career 25 and 33. I don’t believe so.

Moving to middle weights, the big pickups are gonna be Van Ness and Crookham. I’d like to see a commitment by a combo from one of the lightweights mentioned and one of the middle weights. ( Id love to see all 4 but not sure it’s realistic ).

I have definitely learned to never doubt Cael, but bringing in Facundo and Kibe really raises questions. To have that many great wrestlers in the upper weights, is it even possible to refill the lower/middle weight area. It’ll be great to watch everything unfold. We Are!
 
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To throw out some names -- for discussion purposes only, not necessarily indicating interest, and as always Cael may have other names in mind:

The best available 125/133s:
- 2021: Richie Figueroa (CA), Stevo Poulin (NY), Brett Ungar (NJ/ND Green Pond), Braxton Brown (TX), Drake Ayala (IA), Jordan TItus (NY), Troy Spratley (OK/Seminary)
- 2022: Joey Cruz (CA) ... others but it's so hard to project 106s and lightweights before JR year.

Other possibilities: Brady Hankin (CO 2022), Levi Haines (Biglerville 2022)

FIgs is reportedly down to ASU, anOSU, PSU, and Michigan. Poulin has reportedly visited PSU. Cruz has expressed interest in PSU, Iowa, anOSU, and Fresno. Ayala is reportedly interested in MIchigan. Hankin has expressed interest in PSU. Haines is in the M2 Pipeline.

The best available 141/149/157s:
- 2021: Shayne Van Ness (NJ), Victor Voinovich (OH)
- 2022: Ryan Crookham (NDGP), Nic Bouzakis (FL/Seminary), Jesse Mendez (IN), Jordan Williams (OK), Nicolar RIvera (WI)

PSU is among Van Ness' finalists. Crookham is reportedly interested. Voinovich is down to anOSU, OKST, and Cornell. Bouzakis seems to have Cornell written all over him.

Other names PSU might consider (at other weights):
- Carson Manville (MN 2021) -- 165/174
- Bennett Berge (MN 2022) - 174/184
- Nick Feldman (Malvern Prep 2022) - 197
- Dayton Pitzer (Mt Pleasant 2022) - 197

PA also has 3 good HWT prospects in 2021/2022, but we seem very set there. They are: Nate Schon (Selinsgrove 2021); Kolby Franklin (Dubois/Seminary 2022); Cole Deery (Malvern Prep 2021).
 
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El-Jefe said:
To throw out some names -- for discussion purposes only, not necessarily indicating interest, and as always Cael may have other names in mind:

The best available 125/133s:
- 2021: Richie Figueroa (CA), Stevo Poulin (NY), Brett Ungar (NJ/ND Green Pond), Braxton Brown (TX), Drake Ayala (IA), Jordan TItus (NY), Troy Spratley (OK/Seminary)
- 2022: Joey Cruz (CA) ... others but it's so hard to project 106s and lightweights before JR year.

Other possibilities: Brady Hankin (CO 2022), Levi Haines (Biglerville 2022)

FIgs is reportedly down to ASU, anOSU, PSU, and Michigan. Poulin has reportedly visited PSU. Cruz has expressed interest in PSU, Iowa, anOSU, and Fresno. Ayala is reportedly interested in MIchigan. Hankin has expressed interest in PSU. Haines is in the M2 Pipeline.

The best available 141/149/157s:
- 2021: Shayne Van Ness (NJ), Victor Voinovich (OH)
- 2022: Ryan Crookham (NDGP), Nic Bouzakis (FL/Seminary), Jesse Mendez (IN), Jordan Williams (OK), Nicolar RIvera (WI)

PSU is among Van Ness' finalists. Crookham is reportedly interested. Voinovich is down to anOSU, OKST, and Cornell. Bouzakis seems to have Cornell written all over him.

Other names PSU might consider (at other weights):
- Carson Manville (MN 2021) -- 165/174
- Bennett Berge (MN 2022) - 174/184
- Nick Feldman (Malvern Prep 2022) - 197
- Dayton Pitzer (Mt Pleasant 2022) - 197

PA also has 3 good HWT prospects in 2021/2022, but we seem very set there. They are: Nate Schon (Selinsgrove 2021); Kolby Franklin (Dubois/Seminary 2022); Cole Deery (Malvern Prep 2021).
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Guess this is being a bit greedy, but holding out hope for both Van Ness and Crookham, and one of Figs or Poulin. Any of those guys would be awesome.
 
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El-Jefe said:
To throw out some names -- for discussion purposes only, not necessarily indicating interest, and as always Cael may have other names in mind:

The best available 125/133s:
- 2021: Richie Figueroa (CA), Stevo Poulin (NY), Brett Ungar (NJ/ND Green Pond), Braxton Brown (TX), Drake Ayala (IA), Jordan TItus (NY), Troy Spratley (OK/Seminary)
- 2022: Joey Cruz (CA) ... others but it's so hard to project 106s and lightweights before JR year.

Other possibilities: Brady Hankin (CO 2022), Levi Haines (Biglerville 2022)

FIgs is reportedly down to ASU, anOSU, PSU, and Michigan. Poulin has reportedly visited PSU. Cruz has expressed interest in PSU, Iowa, anOSU, and Fresno. Ayala is reportedly interested in MIchigan. Hankin has expressed interest in PSU. Haines is in the M2 Pipeline.

The best available 141/149/157s:
- 2021: Shayne Van Ness (NJ), Victor Voinovich (OH)
- 2022: Ryan Crookham (NDGP), Nic Bouzakis (FL/Seminary), Jesse Mendez (IN), Jordan Williams (OK), Nicolar RIvera (WI)

PSU is among Van Ness' finalists. Crookham is reportedly interested. Voinovich is down to anOSU, OKST, and Cornell. Bouzakis seems to have Cornell written all over him.

Other names PSU might consider (at other weights):
- Carson Manville (MN 2021) -- 165/174
- Bennett Berge (MN 2022) - 174/184
- Nick Feldman (Malvern Prep 2022) - 197
- Dayton Pitzer (Mt Pleasant 2022) - 197

PA also has 3 good HWT prospects in 2021/2022, but we seem very set there. They are: Nate Schon (Selinsgrove 2021); Kolby Franklin (Dubois/Seminary 2022); Cole Deery (Malvern Prep 2021).
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Cael has all ways said he recruits wrestlers who want to be at Penn st. so Crookham, stevo poulin if he can be a full 125 lb and I just have a feeling Van ness is going to the good guys. Now how to get the scolly dollars ? What's their rich uncle situation just kidding.
 
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El-Jefe said:
To throw out some names -- for discussion purposes only, not necessarily indicating interest, and as always Cael may have other names in mind:

The best available 125/133s:
- 2021: Richie Figueroa (CA), Stevo Poulin (NY), Brett Ungar (NJ/ND Green Pond), Braxton Brown (TX), Drake Ayala (IA), Jordan TItus (NY), Troy Spratley (OK/Seminary)
- 2022: Joey Cruz (CA) ... others but it's so hard to project 106s and lightweights before JR year.

Other possibilities: Brady Hankin (CO 2022), Levi Haines (Biglerville 2022)

FIgs is reportedly down to ASU, anOSU, PSU, and Michigan. Poulin has reportedly visited PSU. Cruz has expressed interest in PSU, Iowa, anOSU, and Fresno. Ayala is reportedly interested in MIchigan. Hankin has expressed interest in PSU. Haines is in the M2 Pipeline.

The best available 141/149/157s:
- 2021: Shayne Van Ness (NJ), Victor Voinovich (OH)
- 2022: Ryan Crookham (NDGP), Nic Bouzakis (FL/Seminary), Jesse Mendez (IN), Jordan Williams (OK), Nicolar RIvera (WI)

PSU is among Van Ness' finalists. Crookham is reportedly interested. Voinovich is down to anOSU, OKST, and Cornell. Bouzakis seems to have Cornell written all over him.

Other names PSU might consider (at other weights):
- Carson Manville (MN 2021) -- 165/174
- Bennett Berge (MN 2022) - 174/184
- Nick Feldman (Malvern Prep 2022) - 197
- Dayton Pitzer (Mt Pleasant 2022) - 197

PA also has 3 good HWT prospects in 2021/2022, but we seem very set there. They are: Nate Schon (Selinsgrove 2021); Kolby Franklin (Dubois/Seminary 2022); Cole Deery (Malvern Prep 2021).
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Somewhere in Iowa City, an admin is sending a PRINT job to the server + adding to the 3” binder.
 
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diggerpup said:
Somewhere in Iowa City, an admin is sending a PRINT job to the server + adding to the 3” binder.
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They're onto me....

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RandyL said:
Jefe - you can only have one of Van Ness or Crookham.
who do you choose?
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Cael is after both, so who am I to choose? Besides, he got Facundo AND Kibe within a week of each other.

Mendez and Rivera are right up there with them too -- both world team members. Though I'm guessing (and it's purely a guess) that Rivera doesn't make it to 149. (And I don't know about either of them being interested.)

We would likely be very happy with any of those 4.
 
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El-Jefe said:
Cael is after both, so who am I to choose? Besides, he got Facundo AND Kibe within a week of each other.

Mendez and Rivera are right up there with them too -- both world team members. Though I'm guessing (and it's purely a guess) that Rivera doesn't make it to 149. (And I don't know about either of them being interested.)

We would likely be very happy with any of those 4.
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@dicemen99 you keeping up with all this :)
 
El-Jefe said:
To throw out some names -- for discussion purposes only, not necessarily indicating interest, and as always Cael may have other names in mind:

The best available 125/133s:
- 2021: Richie Figueroa (CA), Stevo Poulin (NY), Brett Ungar (NJ/ND Green Pond), Braxton Brown (TX), Drake Ayala (IA), Jordan TItus (NY), Troy Spratley (OK/Seminary)
- 2022: Joey Cruz (CA) ... others but it's so hard to project 106s and lightweights before JR year.

Other possibilities: Brady Hankin (CO 2022), Levi Haines (Biglerville 2022)

FIgs is reportedly down to ASU, anOSU, PSU, and Michigan. Poulin has reportedly visited PSU. Cruz has expressed interest in PSU, Iowa, anOSU, and Fresno. Ayala is reportedly interested in MIchigan. Hankin has expressed interest in PSU. Haines is in the M2 Pipeline.

The best available 141/149/157s:
- 2021: Shayne Van Ness (NJ), Victor Voinovich (OH)
- 2022: Ryan Crookham (NDGP), Nic Bouzakis (FL/Seminary), Jesse Mendez (IN), Jordan Williams (OK), Nicolar RIvera (WI)

PSU is among Van Ness' finalists. Crookham is reportedly interested. Voinovich is down to anOSU, OKST, and Cornell. Bouzakis seems to have Cornell written all over him.

Other names PSU might consider (at other weights):
- Carson Manville (MN 2021) -- 165/174
- Bennett Berge (MN 2022) - 174/184
- Nick Feldman (Malvern Prep 2022) - 197
- Dayton Pitzer (Mt Pleasant 2022) - 197

PA also has 3 good HWT prospects in 2021/2022, but we seem very set there. They are: Nate Schon (Selinsgrove 2021); Kolby Franklin (Dubois/Seminary 2022); Cole Deery (Malvern Prep 2021).
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Asking a personal question here, but if you had your choice, what name from the above list would you take?
 
Raw Daddy said:
Asking a personal question here, but if you had your choice, what name from the above list would you take?
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Figueroa. Best available 125, and a career 125 at that. Cadet silver medalist, beat many of the others on that list. Also would enable Howard to go 133.

The hitch is that he's a JR 113, so he'd likely need to shirt to add weight.

We don't have all-world guys at 149/157 after Berge graduates, but we're not in bad position there, and those weights have many more options.
 
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82bordeaux said:
Van Ness...for no better reason than I love to stick it in Rutgers ear whenever possible. That and he is a stud.
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Love him too. Seeing a lot of Jason Nolf in him -- whirlwind of destruction type.

His matches with Bartlett last year ... get those 2 together in the room, sell tickets to practice, double the slush fund in the first year.
 
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eddy line said:
I’d love to have the opportunity to watch anyone at PSU with “a lot of Nolf in him”.
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Last year he and Bartlett wrestled a 20-13 match. 37 points in 6 minutes of folk.

He lost, but still: this is a guy unafraid to give up points. He thinks he will score more. Generally he's right.
 
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El-Jefe said:
Cael is after both, so who am I to choose? Besides, he got Facundo AND Kibe within a week of each other.

Mendez and Rivera are right up there with them too -- both world team members. Though I'm guessing (and it's purely a guess) that Rivera doesn't make it to 149. (And I don't know about either of them being interested.)

We would likely be very happy with any of those 4.
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Lehigh will make big play for Crookman.
Santoro has made a big effort in recruiting kids from a pretty tight radius. I think Lehigh only has 1 starter from outside a 60 mile radius.
 
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Callthestall said:
Lehigh will make big play for Crookman.
Santoro has made a big effort in recruiting kids from a pretty tight radius. I think Lehigh only has 1 starter from outside a 60 mile radius.
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Santoro should have recruited Sasso. I sure wish we had even though he doesn’t look jacked enough overall , he could help us during this “punt year”
 
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Ja1339 said:
Future conversation at the Crookham household....

'....sorry Coach Santoro, but can I call you back? I have Cael Sanderson on the line....'
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Same conversation once both coaches have talked to Ryan, Mr. Crookman ask who's willing to offer the most.
 
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Callthestall said:
Lehigh will make big play for Crookman.
Santoro has made a big effort in recruiting kids from a pretty tight radius. I think Lehigh only has 1 starter from outside a 60 mile radius.
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EVERYBODY will make a big push for Crookham. (Well, that is, everybody if Iowa calls him before he commits.)

Not really all that concerned about Lehigh. Their regional focus hasn't exactly put the region on lockdown. Santoro can't keep the Nebraska foxes out of the D11 hen house.
 
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El-Jefe said:
EVERYBODY will make a big push for Crookham. (Well, that is, everybody if Iowa calls him before he commits.)

Not really all that concerned about Lehigh. Their regional focus hasn't exactly put the region on lockdown. Santoro can't keep the Nebraska foxes out of the D11 hen house.
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Santoro can't get every kid in the area. His current lineup has 2 District 11 kids, 2 from P-burg, 1 each from Blair and Wyoming, 1 from Hazelton, 1 from Moorestown, NJ
Humphreys is from West Virginia.
It would be hard finding another school with such a small recruiting footprint.
Keep in mind with Lehigh admission standards their are some local kids, talent wise, he would want but academics are an issue. I know for a fact a few years ago he had an interest in a kid from District 11 but academicly could not get in.
Crookham is a very good student and will be able to go wherever he chooses.
Santoro recognizes that if he could get him, it would have a huge impact on his program in moving forward to becoming a consistent top 10 program.
Lehigh will be in play.
 
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Callthestall said:
Santoro can't get every kid in the area. His current lineup has 2 District 11 kids, 2 from P-burg, 1 each from Blair and Wyoming, 1 from Hazelton, 1 from Moorestown, NJ
Humphreys is from West Virginia.
It would be hard finding another school with such a small recruiting footprint.
Keep in mind with Lehigh admission standards their are some local kids, talent wise, he would want but academics are an issue. I know for a fact a few years ago he had an interest in a kid from District 11 but academicly could not get in.
Crookham is a very good student and will be able to go wherever he chooses.
Santoro recognizes that if he could get him, it would have a huge impact on his program in moving forward to becoming a consistent top 10 program.
Lehigh will be in play.
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That's an excuse. If Lehigh's entire recruiting territory were limited to NJ, DE, and the PA NE/SE/SC regionals geographically (including private schools), there would be dozens of top recruits in the past 3 years. Academics can't be an issue for so many of them. Especially the prep school kids.

Certainly academic standards didn't keep Glory out of Princeton, or Griffith out of Stanford, or Beard from initially committing to NW. Colaiocca from Penn. Foca, Ramirez, Cardenas, and Fernandes from Cornell. Didn't keep Lehigh out of Catka's finalist list. Etc.

The fact is that Lehigh is not that attractive to the top recruits who meet Lehigh's standards.

Of course Lehigh will be in play for Crookham. And they won't get him either.
 
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El-Jefe said:
That's an excuse. If Lehigh's entire recruiting territory were limited to NJ, DE, and the PA NE/SE/SC regionals geographically (including private schools), there would be dozens of top recruits in the past 3 years. Academics can't be an issue for so many of them. Especially the prep school kids.

Certainly academic standards didn't keep Glory out of Princeton, or Griffith out of Stanford, or Beard from initially committing to NW. Colaiocca from Penn. Foca, Ramirez, Cardenas, and Fernandes from Cornell. Didn't keep Lehigh out of Catka's finalist list. Etc.

The fact is that Lehigh is not that attractive to the top recruits who meet Lehigh's standards.

Of course Lehigh will be in play for Crookham. And they won't get him either.
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I didn't think I was making an excuse about anything. Just stated what Santoro has been doing with his lineup and the barometers to be considered for his potential recruits.
As you mentioned Cornell's Koll has recruited New Jersey very successful for years. Now with Mike Grey as Assistant Head Coach ,New Jersey will be very fertile ground for Cornell for years to come. For those that don't understand the Nebraska connection to District 11,their Asst. Head Coach Brian Snyder is from Easton.
You are acting like Lehigh is an inferior program and I don't think that's quite fair. Sure they are not a top 5 program. But they currently are ranked 11th in country. They wrestle one of the better independent schedules in the country.
Santoro threatened to leave a few years ago to go to Pitt. He did get some incentives from Lehigh to stay including updated facilities.
I have relation who works at NDGP and has said he knows the family will consider Lehigh. FWIW.
 
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I didn't think I was making an excuse about anything. Just stated what Santoro has been doing with his lineup and the barometers to be considered for his potential recruits.
As you mentioned Cornell's Koll has recruited New Jersey very successful for years. Now with Mike Grey as Assistant Head Coach ,New Jersey will be very fertile ground for Cornell for years to come. For those that don't understand the Nebraska connection to District 11,their Asst. Head Coach Brian Snyder is from Easton.
You are acting like Lehigh is an inferior program and I don't think that's quite fair. Sure they are not a top 5 program. But they currently are ranked 11th in country. They wrestle one of the better independent schedules in the country.
Santoro threatened to leave a few years ago to go to Pitt. He did get some incentives from Lehigh to stay including updated facilities.
I have relation who works at NDGP and has said he knows the family will consider Lehigh. FWIW.
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I never said Lehigh is an inferior program. I am saying outright -- backed by evidence -- that Lehigh is not a destination program, Santoro is in a recruiting drought for the very top talent, and Lehigh has been surpassed by its academic peers in recruiting.

None of these things should be controversial, though they might be difficult to hear and to admit.

Santoro's last top recruit regardless of geography was Wood in 2016. Meanwhile, recruiting competition has stepped up. Cornell has always been a threat, but now Princeton and Penn have out-recruited Lehigh as peer schools, and other top students are going to public colleges like VT and UNC and even Rutgers.

To reiterate what I said before: there is no reason to doubt that Crookham will consider Lehigh. And of all the schools he will consider, there is little reason to believe he will select Lehigh.
 
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Recruiting goes in cycles in wrestling. Last year, 2019 class, Lehigh ranked 14th.
I do agree that Penn and Princeton have upped the ante on landing the same type of kids. Also a couple of local kids that were on his radar decided to go to Army and Navy Academy's.
With everything you bring to the forefront about why you think he will not go to Lehigh is why I think Santoro play for Crookham will be intense. He will sell the kid that he could be local legend by staying home.
We will see.
 
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