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Which cfb coaches do you rate as better than CJF?

Yesterday, you were mocking Julien Fleming for his age because he did not commit to Penn State. Today, you are diminishing everything Ryan Day has accomplished in 2 years. Your hatred of Ohio State is pretty ridiculous. Oh but wait, you went to Southern high school and played jv football so you are qualified to talk about both Fleming and Day, Garbage.
Actually, I think Ohio State is a great program. I just don't think that Ryan Day is responsible for where their program is today. He is/was merely a spoke in the wheel. The strong tradition has been at OSU for decades. Urban Meyer rebuilt the program after the sanctions that ended the Tressel era. Day is merely keeping the train on the tracks at this point. Only time will tell if he is in the same class as Urban Meyer as a coach.
I did not mock Julian for not going to PSU. I don't think its that big a deal. In fact, if you were smart enough to comprehend my posts, you would understand that I stressed that WR's are easy to find. You would recall that I stated that it was Fields decommitting that hurt PSU. PSU would not have won anymore games this year with Fleming. In fact because JF is an older freshman, I believe that his ceiling may not be all that much higher than the talent he currently possesses.
How did I arrive at this opinion? Through 16 years as a high school football coach. You see, date of birth, date of entry into 9th grade and other information appear on something called eligibility rosters. Through experience you learn that there is a significant difference in strength, size and skill development in a 19 year old male as opposed to a 16 year old.
Through experience you understand growth potential and project it as part of your team building plans.
Yes, I went to Southern and I played freshman, JV and Varsity Football. I then went on to play at Mansfield as a freshman and later on the varsity. I was average at best. But I was a student of the game and went on to coach for 16 years.before retiring from coaching to become the districts athletic director (combination of 37 years of experience). I don't embellish my career or experience......I simply have worked in athletics for 48 years and have a better understanding than most who render opinions here,.
 
So that's a no, then?

You're not going to back up an assertion with evidence?
I stand by what I said.....it's people LIKE you who were tongue kissing Brohm. You've just turned you affection to Ryan Day.....or tomorrow it could be another shiny coaching object.
 
You sound like you’ve got it all figured out. Wonder if Sandy will hire you as an assistant AD for deflection of blame.

Those of us who took Franklin seriously about the team becoming elite are not being unreasonable to hold him to that standard. I stand by my comment that he is not a very good game coach and it has cost Penn State wins.
And you’ll stand by that comment no matter who we had as a coach because fanboys like you are only happy with undefeated seasons every year. So he accidentally won those 42 games in four years? If he’s cost us wins then he’s kept us from far more losses.
 
Yesterday, you were mocking Julien Fleming for his age because he did not commit to Penn State. Today, you are diminishing everything Ryan Day has accomplished in 2 years. Your hatred of Ohio State is pretty ridiculous. Oh but wait, you went to Southern high school and played jv football so you are qualified to talk about both Fleming and Day, Garbage.
He’s accomplished less in two years than Larry Coker did....so there’s that.
 
Nothing wrong with being critical of Ohio State.

It's too early to draw lasting conclusions about Ryan Day. But the sample size thus far is pretty damn impressive if you're an Ohio State guy. There's a reason why many in Columbus didn't sweat it when Urbs retired and passed the baton to Day.

But yeah.......if you're going to take the position that nobody here is qualified to comment on anything football-related, then that also goes for him. No disrespect to the man -- I've long respected his opinions. But it gets tiring to hear that only he is qualified to comment on this stuff when he himself lacks legitimate P5 coaching qualifications.

This is a fan board. To come onto a football fan board and mock fans for giving their opinions is pretty silly, and if he's looking for deference on the basis of his experience, he's probably better off starting his own blog and going from there.
You know, when your right, I admit it. It is a waste of my time here. I see it now.
 
I like the back-up coach. Franklin should be pulled and let's see what he can do.
 
There's a lot of coach-bashing on here throughout the season (comes with the territory and the job) so which cfb coaches do you rate above Coach James Franklin?

Q #2: Where does he rank among Big 10 head coaches?
1. Saban
2 Swinney
3 Brian Kelly
4 Ferentz (if Ferentz was at a place where there was better high school talent around it could be scary)
5 Mack Brown
6 Franklin Mullen Smart Riley
Fisher only because he won a title
7 Day very well could be better but he inherited a fortune that was built by Tressel and Myer to early to tell
8 Chryst inherited good program but has done a good job with it
9 Gundy
 
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Taking over and winning at OSU doesn’t take a great coach....it just takes one who’s not terrible. Everything needed to win was in place, all he has to do is keep it from derailing. If Day wins a couple of NC’s, then I might see him as a great coach....until then, he’s wealthy because he inherited it from dad.
Ever heard of a guy named John Cooper? Are there more resources at OSU than most schools, sure. You still need to be a good coach to win so don't fool yourself Day is not a solid coach.

Simple question I pose to you on Franklin, outside of the 2016/17 Rose Bowl team, what years did the team exceed pre season expectations base on the returning talent?
 
Are we talking coaching or all aspects of building the program? If it’s the former, I’ll go Meyer by a few lengths over Swinney by a nose over Saban with a slew of others (including Franklin) fighting it out for fourth place. If it’s all aspects of a program (including booster involvement) then you have the Bama and Ohio State coaches ahead of the pack.
 
Ever heard of a guy named John Cooper? Are there more resources at OSU than most schools, sure. You still need to be a good coach to win so don't fool yourself Day is not a solid coach.

Simple question I pose to you on Franklin, outside of the 2016/17 Rose Bowl team, what years did the team exceed pre season expectations base on the returning talent?
First of all, Day hasn’t even equaled Larry Coker and we saw what happened there.
Secondly, he’s exceeded pre season expectations in three of the last five years, so there’s that. He did it in 2016, 2018, and 2019. He didn’t do it in 2017, but still had a damn good year and he didn’t this year in a pandemic year. Pretty good results, but thanks for playing.
 
He has definitely accomplished a more impressive feat than Riley and Day, that's for sure.

Doing what he did at Vandy, and then making PSU a consistent NY6 contender so soon after sanctions? Certainly that's something Riley or Day can't say.

So, if the question were phrased as "who has done the most impressive job at their school?", I'd have Franklin higher. Even though he was handed the keys to a Ferrari, I think Ryan Day will be a star -- he's recruiting at a ridiculous level, and he's a really sharp offensive mind. I guess we'll see if/when he drops off. Same with Riley -- he inherited the world, but he knows QBs and offense. I don't see OU or OSU dropping off anytime soon.

We'll see, though.
Ask O$U if they’d trade Franklin for Day. You would literally hear the laughter all the way from Columbus!
 
And you’ll stand by that comment no matter who we had as a coach because fanboys like you are only happy with undefeated seasons every year. So he accidentally won those 42 games in four years? If he’s cost us wins then he’s kept us from far more losses.
Not sure why I am even posting here since you’ve got me all figured out.

Also, I don’t know who pissed in your Cheerios today but don’t be taking it out on the rest of us.
 
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Yesterday, you were mocking Julien Fleming for his age because he did not commit to Penn State. Today, you are diminishing everything Ryan Day has accomplished in 2 years. Your hatred of Ohio State is pretty ridiculous. Oh but wait, you went to Southern high school and played jv football so you are qualified to talk about both Fleming and Day, Garbage.

You sure you are a PSU fan? Your love for Day is pretty powerful. Maybe someone can introduce you two.

Switch places the last 2 years (Day and Franklin), and I don't think Day has two Big2 Titles and he would have two losses vs Franklin.
 
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There's a lot of coach-bashing on here throughout the season (comes with the territory and the job) so which cfb coaches do you rate above Coach James Franklin?

Q #2: Where does he rank among Big 10 head coaches?

Active coaches....?

1. Saban
2. Dabo
3. Chryst
4. Day
5. Riley
6. D. Shaw
7. Mullen
8. Smart
9. Fitzgerald

Day is only on the list because he hasn't done anything to F up Urban's well-oiled machine. Riley is sort of like Day in that way. I have a lot of respect for Fitzgerald, Chryst and Shaw in that they do more with a lot less than their peers. Of those on the list I'd take Saban, Fitzgerald, or Shaw - wouldn't trade Franklin for the others.

As to question #2, I'd say B1G coach rankings go:


1. Day
2. Chryst
3. Fitzgerald
4. Franklin
5. Ferentz
 
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Active coaches....?

1. Saban
2. Dabo
3. Chryst
4. Day
5. Riley
6. D. Shaw
7. Mullen
8. Smart

Day is only on the list because he hasn't done anything to F up Urban's well-oiled machine. Riley is sort of like Day in that way. I have a lot of respect for Chryst and Shaw in that they do more with a lot less than their peers. Of those on the list I'd take Saban, Fitzgerald, or Shaw - wouldn't trade Franklin for the others.

As to question #2, I'd say B1G coach rankings go:


1. Day
2. Chryst
3. Fitzgerald
4. Franklin
5. Ferentz
3-9 Fitzgerald last year? Just checking.
 
3-9 Fitzgerald last year? Just checking.

Yeah, same one who went 6-2 this year with recruiting classes ranked:

2020 - 47
2019 - 51
2018 - 58
2017 - 50
2016 - 52

Again, more with much, much less. Went 8-1 in conference two years ago and won the West. I'm sure you have a rock solid defense ready for Franklin's losing record despite recruiting classes ranked 15, 12, 6, 15, and 20 over that same time period. But, I remember why I put you on ignore - you're exhausting. Back there you go.
 
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Saban and Swinney are the only two better than him....then there is a group that are in the same class as him (Day, Riley, Fisher, and maybe a couple more).
At this point, I would rank him #1 in the Big.

Can we move this response to Comedy Central?
 
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There's a lot of coach-bashing on here throughout the season (comes with the territory and the job) so which cfb coaches do you rate above Coach James Franklin?

Q #2: Where does he rank among Big 10 head coaches?

Nick Saban
Urban Meyer
about 8 others after those 2

I'd place CJF in the top 3 of Big head coaches.
 
4. loss of JB, and Cain, w/the new guys needing more time to learn the offense specifically the passing game
It goes even deeper than this. The 247 podcast guys said months ago that the new guys were so raw they didn't even know how to properly accept a hand off. There was no spring/summer sessions to work on fundamentals throughout the entire team.
 
First of all, Day hasn’t even equaled Larry Coker and we saw what happened there.
Secondly, he’s exceeded pre season expectations in three of the last five years, so there’s that. He did it in 2016, 2018, and 2019. He didn’t do it in 2017, but still had a damn good year and he didn’t this year in a pandemic year. Pretty good results, but thanks for playing.

2016 - agree

2017, not only did they underachieve, it set the program back from taking the next step and contributed to them losing Fields, other recruits, and nearly Parsons. Blowing the lead against OSU was beyond inexcusable with the talent on that team.

Your kidding you're self thinking he exceeded expectations in 2018 with 4 losses and a blow double digit second half lead at home against OSU with a senior QB in his 3rd year starting.

2019 losing to Minnesota made the season a disappointment. Plain and simple. The talent disparity between those teams, it should not happen to even well coached team. Not even touching the E word. Now if you want to say the team met expectations, fair enough but they sure as he did not exceed them.

2020, pandemic or not you can't go 4-5, with the talent advantages they had in all games except OSU, so final verdict is he clearly underachieved.

1 over
3 under
1 met / push

May want to play again, your embarrassing yourself.
 
3-9 Fitzgerald last year? Just checking.
Yes that same 3-9 coach Fitzgerald that is 2-1 life time against Franklin and is getting strong consideration for NFL jobs currently. Same Fitzgerald that has played in twice as many big ten title games than Franklin.

Has Franklin complied more wins recently than him, sure but as clearly pointed out in my other response, Franklin has underachieved more years then he's exceeded or met them, while Fitzgerald though no Saban or Meyer has consistently exceed expectations with much less resources so give him his due he has done much more than Franklin to elevate his program.
 
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You are asking fanboys who never played JV sports to rate division one coaches. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
You could fit the collective football knowledge from those who post here in a phone booth and have room left over for all their friends. Two or three years ago they wanted Jeff Brohm. Now they love Ryan Day......LOL 2 year wonder boy who inherited Urban's talent and program.

About your high horse...get off of it already.
 
Fitzgerald is a hell of a coach.

Since 1903, Northwestern has 7 seasons of 9+ wins. 7. That's it.

Fitz has 5 of them. And the other 2 came during the 1995-96 miracle run under Gary Barnett with Fitz as LB and Darnell Autry as RB.

They have 4 seasons of 10 wins. 1995 is one of them. Fitz has the other three.

Given the academic constraints on recruiting, the relatively "modest" stadium -- to say the least -- and the total absence of any real football history there, for him to go to 10 bowl games in 15 years and finish with 5 ranked teams is pretty remarkable.

Not the guy I'd hire to take over at an elite program, necessarily. But he's a really, really good football coach.
 
Actually, I think Ohio State is a great program. I just don't think that Ryan Day is responsible for where their program is today. He is/was merely a spoke in the wheel. The strong tradition has been at OSU for decades. Urban Meyer rebuilt the program after the sanctions that ended the Tressel era. Day is merely keeping the train on the tracks at this point. Only time will tell if he is in the same class as Urban Meyer as a coach.
I did not mock Julian for not going to PSU. I don't think its that big a deal. In fact, if you were smart enough to comprehend my posts, you would understand that I stressed that WR's are easy to find. You would recall that I stated that it was Fields decommitting that hurt PSU. PSU would not have won anymore games this year with Fleming. In fact because JF is an older freshman, I believe that his ceiling may not be all that much higher than the talent he currently possesses.
How did I arrive at this opinion? Through 16 years as a high school football coach. You see, date of birth, date of entry into 9th grade and other information appear on something called eligibility rosters. Through experience you learn that there is a significant difference in strength, size and skill development in a 19 year old male as opposed to a 16 year old.
Through experience you understand growth potential and project it as part of your team building plans.
Yes, I went to Southern and I played freshman, JV and Varsity Football. I then went on to play at Mansfield as a freshman and later on the varsity. I was average at best. But I was a student of the game and went on to coach for 16 years.before retiring from coaching to become the districts athletic director (combination of 37 years of experience). I don't embellish my career or experience......I simply have worked in athletics for 48 years and have a better understanding than most who render opinions here,.
Only exception I take to your excellent post is that O$U is an excellent program.

O$U is a very consistent program - the O$U university administration, coaching staff and fans have decided that the student / athlete concept for them is vastly more a athlete / student ( with Exposure to an education not a true education that the regular student body will receive) and is ok with all this entails.

NIl ( Name, Image & Likeness ) is going to cause PSU, Michigan, Notre Dame, UNC, etc., to decide if they truly want to compete with the “NFL minor league” football programs like Bama, O$U, Clemson, LSU, Oklahoma, Georgia
 
I agree with what you said and I would also say that he is not a good leader since he handled the impact of the pandemic so poorly compared to the other Top 10/15 best coaches in the country.
I disagree when you say he handled the impact of the pandemic poorly as I don't believe PSU had anyone test positive all year and they are one of only 2 BIG teams to play ALL their games. In one of his press conferences a couple weeks ago CJF commented that due to the rules in place due to the pandemic they didn't have many contact practices and several of the new players who ended up playing significant rules were not able to practice with the starters as they players were in distinct pods and CJF kept them that way to prevent interaction that may have led to an to break on the team. I suspect not many programs operated this way since so many had COVID problems and I am sure that had a BIG impact on the field. Then add in the loss on the top defensive player, and the top 2-3 RB's and several new coaches who didn't get any spring practice, very limited summer/fall practice at all and you have a recipe for disaster. Also, factor in the schedule did PSU no favors with the road gam at IU and the tOSU to start the season just had all the stars align against the team, but they finally righted the ship and did begin to play better after the middle of the season. You may say its just excuses, but its just the facts of this very difficult year all around.
 
Yeah, same one who went 6-2 this year with recruiting classes ranked:

2020 - 47
2019 - 51
2018 - 58
2017 - 50
2016 - 52

Again, more with much, much less. Went 8-1 in conference two years ago and won the West. I'm sure you have a rock solid defense ready for Franklin's losing record despite recruiting classes ranked 15, 12, 6, 15, and 20 over that same time period. But, I remember why I put you on ignore - you're exhausting. Back there you go.
Playing in the west, that’s difficult. Such a shame I’m on ignore....facts hurt your feelings.
 
Can we move this response to Comedy Central?
If you can name one coach in the Big who’s won at Vandy and took over a sanction riddled team and won the conference in three years, then you can. Until then, play your selective critique of coaches game.
 
Playing in the west, that’s difficult. Such a shame I’m on ignore....facts hurt your feelings.
Mark Dantonio did more with less...never recruited at a top 20 level...won B1G titles, BCS Bowls and I believe a playoff spot. And before u crush me I'm sure, Dantonio owned JF. So there is my selection of a coach who did a ton more with less.
 
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May want to play again, your embarrassing yourself.
“Your” embarrassing yourself??? Really?? Maybe “you’re” embarrassing yourself.
And if we’re going to look at this through fans’ eyes in the preseason, then he’s going to underachieve every year he doesn’t go undefeated or make the CFP. 42 wins in four years, but continue to complain. Yes, they sucked this year, but he went from 11 wins to a losing record in a pandemic year....is that because he forgot how to coach? All the players forgot how to play? Or because there was a pandemic? Hmm, I wonder.
 
If you can name one coach in the Big who’s won at Vandy and took over a sanction riddled team and won the conference in three years, then you can. Until then, play your selective critique of coaches game.

Name one coach in the Big who started the season ranked in the top 10, and lost the first 5 games of the season.

Franklin is a great recruiter, but a mediocre game day coach. This season will definitely set him back on the recruiting front.
 
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Yes that same 3-9 coach Fitzgerald that is 2-1 life time against Franklin and is getting strong consideration for NFL jobs currently. Same Fitzgerald that has played in twice as many big ten title games than Franklin.

Has Franklin complied more wins recently than him, sure but as clearly pointed out in my other response, Franklin has underachieved more years then he's exceeded or met them, while Fitzgerald though no Saban or Meyer has consistently exceed expectations with much less resources so give him his due he has done much more than Franklin to elevate his program.
Fitzgerald is a great coach, I just wonder why it’s acceptable for him to go 3-9 in a non-pandemic year and he’s still considered great by posters here, but Franklin has a down year in a pandemic and he sucks.
 
Fitzgerald is a great coach, I just wonder why it’s acceptable for him to go 3-9 in a non-pandemic year and he’s still considered great by posters here, but Franklin has a down year in a pandemic and he sucks.
Good point

If Franklin can take next year’s team and win the Big10 East he will be on par with Fitzgerald
 
Mark Dantonio did more with less...never recruited at a top 20 level...won B1G titles, BCS Bowls and I believe a playoff spot. And before u crush me I'm sure, Dantonio owned JF. So there is my selection of a coach who did a ton more with less.
He also won when PSU was crippled by sanctions, Michigan was going through the Hoke/RichRod years, and OSU was pre-Urban, so there’s that.
 
Fitzgerald is a great coach, I just wonder why it’s acceptable for him to go 3-9 in a non-pandemic year and he’s still considered great by posters here, but Franklin has a down year in a pandemic and he sucks.
Because he is at a private school with marginal football tradition and no true recruiting footprint. They don't own or dominate an area like PSU does or other B1G schools. NW has built in disadvantages...not to mention tremendous academics
 
Name one coach in the Big who started the season ranked in the top 10, and lost the first 5 games of the season.

Franklin is a great recruiter, but a mediocre game day coach. This season will definitely set him back on the recruiting front.
So he’s a terrible pandemic coach, I’ve already agreed with that. Name one, other than Urban Meyer, who won 42 games in four years.
Franklin recruited well when Penn State’s name was mud and people were embarrassed to talk about the university, let alone go here. I think he can overcome one 4-5 season.
 
He also won when PSU was crippled by sanctions, Michigan was going through the Hoke/RichRod years, and OSU was pre-Urban, so there’s that.
Lol...ok. u will come up with any reason to not accept anyone better than JF. Dantonio isn't responsible for when he entered the program...I give him credit for taking advantage of the situation...the guy crushed it in the B1G East for yrs
 
Good point

If Franklin can take next year’s team and win the Big10 East he will be on par with Fitzgerald
You mean win the Big 10 West....winning the west is not on par with winning the East. Fitzgerald would not have won the East this year (or any year).
 
He also won when PSU was crippled by sanctions, Michigan was going through the Hoke/RichRod years, and OSU was pre-Urban, so there’s that.

True statements

And what is also true is that CJF never beat any elite SEC teams during his time at Vandy
 
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