No, win the East
Franklin is having a down year like Fitz had 2 years ago
Now let’s see Franklin do what Fitz did after that down year
Which cfb coaches do you rate as better than CJF?
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Franklin is having a down year like Fitz had 2 years ago
Now let’s see Franklin do what Fitz did after that down year
Fair enough, but Franklin hasn’t exactly thrown academics out the window or skated down the NCAA infractions road. He also has a pretty crappy recruiting footprint now that PA high school football has gone to crap.
Yes, PA has gone down hill...however, he hasn't exactly 'dominated the state' in recent yrs. The top kids are going elsewhere....that needs to end.
Dantoni was a great coach as well, not sure why it’s so important for you to find coaches better than Franklin. Bryant and Bowden were better, does that make you feel better? Dantonio isn’t coaching any more, so who cares? The point is, every coach (short of Meyer and Saban) has their strong points and weak points and they all can and will be criticized by their fan base. Do you think MSU fans were thrilled with Dantonio his first three years when he went 7-6, 9-4, and 6-7? Or his last four when he went 3-9, 10-3, 7-6 and 7-6? The selective judgment by posters on here for coaches other than Franklin is scary.
Doesn’t matter, he was coaching Vandy....all SEC teams were more elite than Vandy. They beat Auburn, Tennessee, Florida and Georgia. That’s pretty good for any team, but ridiculously good for Vandy.
If he has a winning season that’s doing what Fitz did....winning the division in the East vs. the West is apples and oranges.
The post’s title is about naming coaches better than Franklin....CJF was 11-13 in SEC conference play during his 3 years at Vandy
I will forever be grateful for what he did for PSU but in my opinion after he held the school up for more money, he can leave any time he likes and I feel we would be better off
Having the budget, stadium & fan base plus national championships of PSU versus Northwestern is apples vs oranges
Let’s see Franklin win the East
2-6 with three of those losses coming to OSU. Yes, he has a hard time beating OSU....but who doesn’t? Outside of a couple of coaches, what is anyone’s record against top 10 teams?
Agree....he needs to lock down more top end talent from the state. But if he can’t, I’m not sure there are many coaches out there who can. Maybe top end talent doesn’t want to go to Penn State for reasons beyond the coach.
1. He can recruit the state, but he does need to get better.
2. He’s no worse of a game day coach than most everyone else. Any coach can get second guessed to death after the fact by fans.
3. Maybe it’s not his fault he can’t hang on to assistants....maybe the university needs to make a commitment to having an elite football program. Having a Bama, Clemson or OSU goes beyond the coach (OSU proved that when they lost Meyer). The administration has to be fully committed to do what it takes and I don’t think PSU is there or ever will be.
All that success for $7M a year 😉
Now, don’t get me wrong, what Franklin did after the sanctions was INCREDIBLY impressive- but he really has never proven that he can assemble a total team of top talent, plus assistant coaches and beat top teams on any type of a consistent basis
Let’s see if he can do it next year- I hope he can but doubt he will
Yep, which is pretty much on par with most other coaches barring a few. You know who else had a losing record against top 10 teams? Joe Paterno, just saying.
Some very valid points.....especially point number 3....why doesn’t CJF take a pay cut so we can invest it into his assistant coaches ?
He is the 9th highest paid head coach in college football...do we have any assistant coach as the the 9th highest paid assistant coach in college football ?
And I think you’re wrong. Tennessee, Nebraska and Texas all felt the same way about their coaches.
You do realize NW recently sank $260 million into new facilities, right? They’re not exactly hurting in terms of budget.
Which assistant do you think would have stayed for more money? Gattis, JoeMo, Spencer and Parker left for promotions not money.
You could be right and so could I - funny part is that CJF is not worried about us - I really could not care less about the man as he does not bleed blue and white like Joe Paterno did - CJF is a businessman and should be assessed on his business results
Saban, Dabo, Kelly, Mullen, Riley, Smart, Fisher, Campbell, Freeze, Day? He's top 10-15 coach..
Top 5 in Big 10
Winning 25% of your games against top 10 teams will not win you many division, conference or national championships.
Gattis - yes
JoeMo - no
Spencer - maybe as he wants to be a head coach and needed the NFL stamp
Parker - yes
The point is not only about who left but who can we attract
I will ask the question again....do we have a assistant coach that is #9 in assistant coaching salary in all of college football ?
So if he was making less money, you’d be okay with what he’s done? How much does 42 wins in four years justify? He makes less than Gus Malzahn (fired) and Tom Herman and Jeff Brohm. He also makes less than Dabo, Saban, Riley, Smart....so I would say he’s making about what he should be.
Yes, if he was being paid like Brian Kelly or someone equivalent I would be more understanding
there was zero chance of Gattis staying after not getting the OC job. Zero. He went to Alabama as asst OC.
Parker took an OC job with his old friend at WV.
I don’t see Dabo or Saban taking a pay cut....Franklin shouldn’t have to. Maybe the fans need to pony up more money so they can have the elite program they are entitled to.
There are very few Paternos any more, but I think Franklin is about as blue and white as we’re going to get.
Take one top 10 team out and they win the conference three out of four years. It’s like being in Bama’s division and criticizing a coach because he can’t win the division every year.
Do you really? Have to believe there was some truth to him looking at the FSU and SC jobs..
Fair enough, but I think he got paid what he earned....if you can get it, you earned it.
Two National Championships in 47 years
Joe Paterno was 99-15-1 in his first 10 years as a head coach
CJF is 49-36 in his first 10 years
And Paterno looked at the Patriots job (and who knows how many others he looked at secretly). I’ve been with the same company for over 30 years and I’m very loyal, but if someone offers, I would be dumb not to listen. Bottom line, Franklin didn’t go anywhere and I truly think he wants to be here.
Psst....we’re not getting Joe Paterno back...just thought I’d let you know.
I call total BS. What salary would it take for you to be understanding next year if we are 6-6? How about 3-9? It’s laughable that the armchair critics would be satisfied if our coach was paid less
No, I don’t agree with that philosophy - nor did Joe Paterno
I and my wife’s youngest son will graduate from the US Air Force Academy in May with highest honors - he could have attended a number of top Ivies plus MIT.
He is proud to be where he is and so are numerous of his classmates with similar abilities and credentials- only the CJFs of this world believe “of you can get it, you earned it”
I am holding out that we will someday find a coach that has the same philosophy as Joe Pa - they are out there - but CJF is not one of them
Really ????
that is your post to the stats on CJF I presented when you posted 47 years ???
So CJF should take less money so that he’s earning less than coaches that have worse results? The coaches who have better results than him make more money (other than Kelley). Based on results, Franklin is right where he should be, with a couple of worse coaches making more. It’s not his fault the overall coaching salaries have exploded.
Yes, what would you like me to say? Paterno is the winningest coach of all time and for a period of time in his career he was the best coach on the planet. We’re not going to get that ever again, so to compare Franklin to him is unfair. In his first 10 years, Joe also didn’t have to coach at Vandy or deal with crippling sanctions (caused because Joe stayed too long). I honestly think if Joe were still alive he would be thrilled to have Franklin running the program.
