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was just going to say that... What a shame the seats in the BJC aren't white Instead they're a shade of blue that isn't even the school color.Are they going to paint all the empty seats white?
Are they going to paint all the empty seats white?
was just going to say that... What a shame the seats in the aren't white actually. Instead they're a shade of blue that isn't even the school color.
Where's the update on the master plan we were supposed to see last summer? Have they released the BJC renderings yet?
Until we can fill at least half the BJC, i say move bball to Rec hall.
Maybe they would play better at Rec Hall and actually win a Big 10 game.They have sold more tickets for every game at the BJC this year than would fit in Rec Hall - and also topped more than half of the BJC's capacity for every game too. Moving to Rec Hall makes no sense.
Apparently we’re using the Pitt football method of counting attendance.LSHIPM
PSU ICA reported “attendance” for the UMBC game as just over 9,000 (which was, IIRC, the highest reported “attendance” figure of the year).
I’m not sure how many were there, but if I had known anyone was interested, I coulda’ counted them.
Whatever the number was - it would not have overtaxed the State College High Gymnasium
LSHIPM
PSU ICA reported “attendance” for the UMBC game as just over 9,000 (which was, IIRC, the highest reported “attendance” figure of the year).
I’m not sure how many were there, but if I had known anyone was interested, I coulda’ counted them.
Whatever the number was - it would not have overtaxed the State College High Gymnasium
Maybe they would play better at Rec Hall and actually win a Big 10 game.
Apparently we’re using the Pitt football method of counting attendance.
BwaaaaHaaaaaHaaaaa
LOL
You’re the one who took the first exit to StoopidVille.
Who cares?
LOL
You’re the one who took the first exit to StoopidVille.
BJC is an awful basketball venue,
Period.
Games in Rec Hall might not have as many tickets sol;d, but it can be a great basketball venue as a snakepit
Shame on me for discussing lost revenue due to not being able to sell as many tickets. Didn't realize that was a "stoopid" conversation to have.
True. When Northwestern did their $110 million renovation of their basketball arena they removed approximately 1,100 seats. The arena post renovation held just over 7,000. Two of the best home court arenas are Cameron Indoor (approximately 9,000) and the Palestra (around 8,700) both similar to Rec Hall.
It did in 95-96. But back then, even women’s games were drawing 10k plus.Agreed...the BJC has never given Penn State the home court advantage it needs.
Agreed...the BJC has never given Penn State the home court advantage it needs. May be more tickets sold than what Rec Hall can hold, but the lower bowl being almost half empty and the black curtain down for EVERY home game in the upper bowl doesn't lie about their "home court advantage."
They'll have more at rec hall for wrestling tomorrow than the white out in the BJC. Basketball has become a train wreck.
True. When Northwestern did their $110 million renovation of their basketball arena they removed approximately 1,100 seats. The arena post renovation held just over 7,000. Two of the best home court arenas are Cameron Indoor (approximately 9,000) and the Palestra (around 8,700) both similar to Rec Hall.
Duke could clearly sell lots more tickets to their home games if they chose to build a new, larger arena. They consciously choose not too and it give them a great home court advantage. I still think Penn State should use the Villanova model. Villanova plays their “big attendance” games at the 20,000 seat Wells Fargo Center in downtown Philly and the rest on campus at the Finneran Pavilion, which is not much bigger than Rec Hall at 6,500 seats. Penn State could play the games against the lesser Big Ten teams at Rec Hall, the games they have their best chance to win, where a true home court advantage might just get them a couple of extra wins.
A couple of home wins against middle of the road Big Ten teams would have been the difference between the NIT and the NCAA last year.
We've played three games there and have yet to see anything like a home court advantage. The arena was packed for Princeton and we lost. Two years later, they tried again. This time, attendance was terrible and the team almost lost to Louisiana-Monroe in one of the games, trailing most of the game before finally winning 54-50 in an ugly game. PSU shot 10-46 from behind the arc in the three games we played there - not pretty and not an advantage at all.
They'll have more at rec hall for wrestling tomorrow than the white out in the BJC. Basketball has become a train wreck.
A great home court advantage cannot make up for a bad basketball team or even a good team that has a bad night. Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, etc, who play in what are considered to be the toughest places to win on the road, lose home games once in a while. North Carolina got pounded at home yeasterday by Louisville. I think a loud, crazy home atmosphere makes a difference in the last few minutes of the game when the pendulum can swing either way, but the home team has to play well enough to get to that point for the home court advantage to matter.
I’m sorry, but I still remember the early days of Penn State’s entry into the Big Ten when Bruce Parkhill’s teams won a lot of games they had no business winning in Rec Hall. I remember the announcers commenting on how difficult it was for opposing teams to take the ball out of bounds because the students were so close they had to shift their legs to make room for the guy taking the ball out. I remember opposing coaches, Bobby Knight comes to mind, talking about how they hated to play there. There is no doubt in my mind that Rec Hall was a home court advantage for those Parkhill teams. We have lost this with the BJC.
What are the dozens of real world” reasons? I only see one, ticket revenue. If there are indeed more tickets sold for every men’s basketball game than Rec Hall’s capacity, Penn State would clearly lose some ticket revenue playing in 6,000 seat capacity Rec Hall. That’s the only downside I see, period. If a top program like Villanova, which likely funds most of their other sports from basketball operations can use the approach I suggested, why couldn’t Penn State?I'd credit those wins a lot more to Parkhill than I would to Rec Hall. There are dozens of real world reasons against playing in Rec Hall and they aren't overcome by one hypothetical home court advantage reason for playing there.
If that’s the “worst case scenario”, you’re quite the optimist.To me the bottom line is simple: Put a winning program on the floor and the BJC will make a fine HCA. I'm very interested to see what will happen after this season with Coach Chambers. It's time to hand over the reigns to a young assistant from a winning program. What's the worst that can happen? He's successful and leaves for an established basketball team? I'd sign up for that. At least the mojo will have been changed.
What are the dozens of real world” reasons? I only see one, ticket revenue. If there are indeed more tickets sold for every men’s basketball game than Rec Hall’s capacity, Penn State would clearly lose some ticket revenue playing in 6,000 seat capacity Rec Hall. That’s the only downside I see, period. If a top program like Villanova, which likely funds most of their other sports from basketball operations can use the approach I suggested, why couldn’t Penn State?
This is exactly what PSU tried with Chambers. Before his couple years as HC with BU, he was an "up-and-coming" assistant at Nova.To me the bottom line is simple: Put a winning program on the floor and the BJC will make a fine HCA. I'm very interested to see what will happen after this season with Coach Chambers. It's time to hand over the reigns to a young assistant from a winning program. What's the worst that can happen? He's successful and leaves for an established basketball team? I'd sign up for that. At least the mojo will have been changed.
They have sold more tickets for every game at the BJC this year than would fit in Rec Hall - and also topped more than half of the BJC's capacity for every game too. Moving to Rec Hall makes no sense.
i agree with 1 of your points
- Locker room facilities - Rec must still have locker roooms. Share with the wrestling team.
- New basketball floor needed - agree, but this is a nominal expense. The wood floor is already there, just needs some sanding and some paint.
- Bench seating not individual seats - 95% of the seats in Beaver Stadium are bench seats and that doesn’t appear to be a problem with the football team drawing fans
- No luxury boxes - just like with fewer ticket sales, this is simply a revenue hit
- Lack of concessions. - they have consession stands there.
- Parking for fans - this isn’t a problem for the other sports when they have sellouts
- Press facilities - while a Men’s basketball game probabaly draws more press than volleyball, wrestling, or gymnastics I don’t see this as a big problem. TV works from there as multiple Volleyball games are televised on ESPN and BTN.
- Rest rooms - they have rest rooms there, I’ve used them at volleyball games
- Overlapping seasons with wrestling, women's volleyball, men's volleyball, women and men's gymnastics causes scheduling issues. - I’m sure Sandy can hire a new Assistant AD to work this.
- Cross campus trek from practice facility at the Jordan Center. - if they are going to play the bulk of their games there, they should practice at Rec as well