Who U got - Hawks v Pokes this Sunday
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I am going hawks.... 6 bouts to 4. 125, 149, 157, 165, 197, and 285.
Still wins again with the match on the line. Iowa with bonus at 125 & 157. Ok State with bonus at 133 & 184...
Final score--- Iowa 21 Oklahoma State 14
Still wins again with the match on the line. Iowa with bonus at 125 & 157. Ok State with bonus at 133 & 184...
Final score--- Iowa 21 Oklahoma State 14
Lee MD 4-0
Brock MD 4-4
Heil Dec 4-7
Sorenson Dec 7-7
Kem TF 12-7
Rogers Dec 12-10
Smith Dec 12-13
Bowman Dec 15-13
Weigel Dec 15-16
Stoll saves Iowa's day again
Dec 18-16
Brock MD 4-4
Heil Dec 4-7
Sorenson Dec 7-7
Kem TF 12-7
Rogers Dec 12-10
Smith Dec 12-13
Bowman Dec 15-13
Weigel Dec 15-16
Stoll saves Iowa's day again
Dec 18-16
Should be a really close match.
125 if Lee has a takedown in the first 90 seconds he will get at a minimum major.
Iowa 4 Okie St 0
133 and 141 are Cowboy wins, major minimum at 133 and what is a shame a 2 time national champ will probably do the "minimum" to win.
Okie State 7 Iowa 4
149 Sorenson with a methodical decision, tied at 7.
157 Kemerer will plow his way to a major Iowa 11 Okie State 7
165 one of the key toss ups. If Marinelli is for real he needs to win this match. Iowa 14 Okie State 7
174 Smith should be too talented for the Iowa kid Iowa 14 Okie State 10
184 Neither team is exceptionally strong here. Iowa 14 Okie State 13
197 both are undefeated, but I believe the Okie State kid is a bit too much for what will be a game Hawk. Okie State 16 Iowa 14.
Hwt Stoll is good enough to finish in the Top 4 this year. Iowa 17 Okie State 16.
Just my opinion, but whoever wins 165 is winning the dual.
125 if Lee has a takedown in the first 90 seconds he will get at a minimum major.
Iowa 4 Okie St 0
133 and 141 are Cowboy wins, major minimum at 133 and what is a shame a 2 time national champ will probably do the "minimum" to win.
Okie State 7 Iowa 4
149 Sorenson with a methodical decision, tied at 7.
157 Kemerer will plow his way to a major Iowa 11 Okie State 7
165 one of the key toss ups. If Marinelli is for real he needs to win this match. Iowa 14 Okie State 7
174 Smith should be too talented for the Iowa kid Iowa 14 Okie State 10
184 Neither team is exceptionally strong here. Iowa 14 Okie State 13
197 both are undefeated, but I believe the Okie State kid is a bit too much for what will be a game Hawk. Okie State 16 Iowa 14.
Hwt Stoll is good enough to finish in the Top 4 this year. Iowa 17 Okie State 16.
Just my opinion, but whoever wins 165 is winning the dual.
WOW! BONUS for Spencer from the folks on this board? Not a chance he majors Picc! Okie State teaches defense defense defense, the Big 12 football needs to take notes on how to teach defense!!
Spencer 5-3 --- last second takedown
the rest of the dual will be more exciting that the NFL playoff games --- another Arctic dip for us in PA, I'll be a couch potato on Sunday afternoon watching
Spencer 5-3 --- last second takedown
the rest of the dual will be more exciting that the NFL playoff games --- another Arctic dip for us in PA, I'll be a couch potato on Sunday afternoon watching
I am kinda curious. Since I picked the hawks to win this dual and i still think vodka is ridiculous does that again make me a two-faced dumbass?
We will have no name-calling on this board, even if you do it to yourself
.Oh, and I'm looking forward to this dual. No guesses, just relaxing in from of the tv hoping for some exciting wrestling that can help grow the sport.
No, just honest. However, I am picking the Pokes, although I would not be willing to bet more than a dime (I was going to say a Nickal) on the outcome. Interested to see if Lee can dominate Pic the way many here seem to think he will.
Well, after the UNI Open, where he rassled some subpar opponents, he wasn't EVER going to lose, according to many on HR (exact words, btw), so take the hype with as many grains of salt as you choose.
I'm hoping to get a chance to see Lee go underneath Schwarm sometime this year. Not saying Schwarm will beat him, but it'll be fun to watch Lee get out from underneath a leech.
We'll tell you that, if you tell us what mat Pletcher v. Carton will be on.
I'm not smart enough to catch the implication, so sorry for asking the question. I can look it up.
My thinking on Lee is he struggled big time from the neutral position against Bresser and to me that was a possible telltale.
He is going to be tough from top no matter who he wrestles and if he can get takedowns he gets multiple opportunities to score from top. If he struggles scoring from his feet his top offense can be neutralized. Thus the 90 second first period window. If shows he can take Picc down then I have no doubt he will bonus. If he can not score from neutral he obviously struggles to beat the kid.
I am anxious to see how this plays out.
It is a running inside BWI joke.
Yes the Hawks and Lions grapple this year. Feb 10th.
Pitch got majored last year by Gilman and Lizak (and pinned by Gilman), so can't simply dismiss the possibility.
If it's unlikely it's because Pitch is Lee's best opponent so far.
I hope he does, because that would be a statement that he's ready for Tomasello.
This is how I see it playing out...
125: Spencer in OT
133: Pin or Tech for Brock
141: Pin or tech for Heil, he doesn't bonus often but I think he will go off after taking back to back losses and realizing he can't hang onto an ankle while pinning himself this year and still win matches.
149: I fall asleep and wake up to a 1 point win by Snorenson
157: I'm thinking a major here barely missing the tech for Kemerer
165: Rogers with bonus (Major or Pin, no tech) leaving HR scrambling to come up with a how and why (most likely officiating, or lack there of, is the consensus) .. Predicting lots of alcohol consumed in corn country
174: OK St with the decision.. Close match, comes down to a last second escape
184: OK st with another close one causing Carver fans to start PD3 chants
197: I'm a Cash fan but think Weigel is too much as he handled Cash last time they met.
HWT: Picture two buffalo's that are tranquilized mid-fight then slowly they both fall to the mat one on top of the other.. anyone's guess here but I'm thinking Stoll gets lucky and lands on top.
OK State 24 - Iowa 13
This dual will be boring other than 25 and 65 but I have to admit I will still watch it minus the 8 minute nap during 149..
125: Spencer in OT
133: Pin or Tech for Brock
141: Pin or tech for Heil, he doesn't bonus often but I think he will go off after taking back to back losses and realizing he can't hang onto an ankle while pinning himself this year and still win matches.
149: I fall asleep and wake up to a 1 point win by Snorenson
157: I'm thinking a major here barely missing the tech for Kemerer
165: Rogers with bonus (Major or Pin, no tech) leaving HR scrambling to come up with a how and why (most likely officiating, or lack there of, is the consensus) .. Predicting lots of alcohol consumed in corn country
174: OK St with the decision.. Close match, comes down to a last second escape
184: OK st with another close one causing Carver fans to start PD3 chants
197: I'm a Cash fan but think Weigel is too much as he handled Cash last time they met.
HWT: Picture two buffalo's that are tranquilized mid-fight then slowly they both fall to the mat one on top of the other.. anyone's guess here but I'm thinking Stoll gets lucky and lands on top.
OK State 24 - Iowa 13
This dual will be boring other than 25 and 65 but I have to admit I will still watch it minus the 8 minute nap during 149..
I disagree with this assesment. Bresser going to be tough for anyone to score on since he basically stalls all match. Lee stood in middle of mat. Instead of engaging, Bresser stays about 4 feet away and circles. Rowlands and Askren both said to not engage should be stalling, and I agree. They had a real good conversation on this match.
It works for Bresser unless they start calling it differently. He is super quick, circles around non stop and once in a while will fire quick shots..makes him look like he's doing something where really he's not
Whether Bresser circled and stayed away and should have been called for stalling is a nice discussion topic. Cruz did the same thing, successfully against Gilman. At the end of that particular discussion and I ask did Lee get any takedowns the answer is no. If I ask did Lee actually take any shots, the answer is maybe, kinda one. I mean Bresser sprawled once.
If I ask did Bresser take any shots, the answer is yes. Two, and he actually scored one takedown.
So, yeah. I am very interested in whether Spencer has the neutral game against elite or next to elite types. If he garners some first period neutral offense against Picc I think he bonuses him. If he struggles with his neutral offense Okie St could win.
Question for you. If you stand in the center of the mat and I continually remain active by circling you and neither of us forces engagement is one of us stalling anymore than the other?
Jason Nolf says if the other guy will not engage (Nebraska's Barger, Okie State's Smith) just jump in and have at it.
Truer words couldn't be spoken! It's always driven me crazy how people say, "So and so didn't DO ANYTHING all match!" Well, my answer has always been then, "Good, then he should be easy as heck to beat then if he isn't doing anything!"
I boxed for a while in my youth and I always LOVED the opponent who "did nothing."
Lee didn't just stand in middle..he would go towards Bresser and Bresser would keep circling, always remaining about 4 feet away. There's only 1 or 2 guys that can do what Nolf does, so it's not fair to use him as example. So far Suriano, Fix and Lee couldn't get a takedown against this kid's style. You had a concern that Lee struggled in neutral..so did the other 2 and I think all 3 are offensive kids..brings me back to the common demominator..Bresser.
If I keep stepping towards you with my butt facing middle of mat, and you run in circles at a distance, what would you call that? Stalling? Great tactics? Serious question. Personally I don't think that kind of wrestling is what the sport is trying to promote
Problem is Bresser is quick as a cat and ran around in a circle..in boxing you can cut off the ring. Tougher to do if the guys is in a circle. I'm not trying to take anything away from Bresser's tactics, it's just not my thing. Really my point wasn't so much about Bresser..it was more to say I give Lee a major pass.
Sunday will be interesting. Picc will keep coming and I think that plays right into Spencer's wheelhouse.
Guess it depends on how you define "forces engagement."
If you can find it, watch (or better yet, don't) the Jon Gabriel vs. Seth Hogue state finals from a couple years ago. Hogue with one of the most egregious full match backward circling jobs I've ever seen. Gabriel repeatedly attempted to engage him, but Hogue wasn't about to let that happen more than a foot from the edge ... but he looked busy.
Before that match, I had never seen a wrestler take a wide helical return to center during live action. Somehow even that didn't earn a stall call.
If you are stalking me and I circle backwards and away that is stalling. Lee had more than one or two opportunities to engage. He did not. Neither did Gilman against Cruz.
Back to at the end of the discussion. How many shots did Lee take? Answer. Maybe, kinda one. Bresser may have a defensive style, but if the other guy does not force the issue don't whine.
Iowa fans use to whine because McIntosh stalled against Burak. Bullshyt. Morgan might only take two shots, but they were both past Burak's hand defense to his legs and he would score off those shots. Burak took zero shots. McIntosh wasn't going backwards, but his neutral defense was pretty sturdy and Burak never forced the issue.
Bresser wasn't backing off the mat, nor was he continuously sliding backwards. He circled.
If Lee comes out firing, concern was unwarranted. If Picc defends his ground and Lee struggles to score from neutral it will be an additional data point.
I’m not whining. I was giving you my opinion on the match. I could care less of Lee loses 8 in a row or wins 8 in row.
This is important. Not to jump into the middle of this discussion, though imo, stalling calls can be earned by the more offensive wrestler. To me, Lee didn't earn them this bout.
After re-reading the rule, maybe both wrestlers should have been warned...
Definition: One or both wrestlers attempting to avoid wrestling action as an offensive or defensive strategy.
The McIntosh/Burak threads on HR were always classic. Burak would do nothing until 45 seconds left in the match - by which time MM was always ahead - but it was Morgan who did nothing.
I am not saying you are. Iowa did.
All I am saying is the next GOAT struggled big time to even initiate his neutral offense and I found that telling. I really want to see what kind of adjustments are made. Let's face it, as much as I enjoy poking fun Iowa is an elite wrestling room. However elite, they have a personality and Kemerer is the antithesis of that personality. So I find the whole thing intriguing.
This will sound smartassed, but it is an honest to goodness question.
While they are so busy teaching 3/4 of their lineup to wrestle for that all important stall call can they take the time to coach up one of their gems and improve Lee's neutral offense.
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Didn't take nit's comment that way at all. He appeared to be referencing a fan-base.
Understood. And I agree 83% of the time Iowa fans are crying about stalling when it’s clearly not.
I find myself confused as a baby raccoon when it comes to Bresser. He doesn’t stall in the traditional sense and if they had a stat for how fast one could circle and maintain a 4 foot circumference, he would win
Common phrase in your part of the country? This lifelong upper midwest boy (Minnesota and Iowa) has never heard that one before.
Great minds, love of wrestling and well liked on HR. I had no idea we had so much in common.
