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Who will have the better NCAA career among Bassett, Blaze, Duke and Forrest?

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There was a similar thread over on Intermat that I thought would be interesting for us to discuss here. I added Duke to the list compared to the Intermat thread. Most on Intermat chose Blaze, followed by Forrest. For myself, I would place Blaze and Duke in the top two, with it being a coin flip between their careers. Their stingy defense and solid positioning are what I think separates them from Bassett and Jax; think Dake compared to Taylor. I would place Forrest at three because of his insane scrambling ability and also his ability to generate offense from unconventional positions. This leaves Bassett at four for me, which seems incredible considering his pedigree. The other three are just that incredible. I have doubts that Bassett's frenetic pace will yield as many dividends in college. Also, he too frequently allows his opponents to get to his legs. This is something that will be much more problematic for him in college than it has been for him in high school.

With all of that said, I anticipate stellar careers out of all four of them. As far as predicting the number of national titles for each of them, my cautious nature is telling me to not get too far ahead of myself since national titles are so hard to achieve. But since this is all in fun, my imperfect self is going to go big on all four of them and say that Blaze and Duke get six or more between them and Forrest and Bassett get four or more between them.
 
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There was a similar thread over on Intermat that I thought would be interesting for us to discuss here. I added Duke to the list compared to the Intermat thread. Most on Intermat chose Blaze, followed by Forrest. For myself, I would place Blaze and Duke in the top two, with it being a coin flip between their careers. Their stingy defense and solid positioning are what I think separates them from Bassett and Jax; think Dake compared to Taylor. I would place Forrest at three because of his insane scrambling ability and also his ability to generate offense from unconventional positions. This leaves Bassett at four for me, which seems incredible considering his pedigree. The other three are just that incredible. I have doubts that Bassett's frenetic pace will yield as many dividends in college. Also, he too frequently allows his opponents to get to his legs. This is something that will be much more problematic for him in college than it has been for him in high school.

With all of that said, I anticipate stellar careers out of all four of them. As far as predicting the number of national titles for each of them, my cautious nature is telling me to not get too far ahead of myself since national titles are so hard to achieve. But since this is all in fun, my imperfect self is going to go big on all four of them and say that Blaze and Duke get six or more between them and Forrest and Bassett get four or more between them.

Very difficult to call as some high schoolers continue to get better and remain elite at the college level, but some don't. Some become low level AAs a couple times, but not elite. And some do not much at all at the college level. Being great at the high school level guarantees nothing - it doesn't always translate. No such thing as a "sure thing" in wrestling especially because kids bodies are changing so quickly between late high school and first couple years of college (I wrestled 112 lbs my sophomore year of hs - was 5' 6". 24" waist. My natural weight was probably 125-130. By the end of my freshman year in college I was 6' 2" and 210 lbs. 30" waist.).
 
Very difficult to call as some high schoolers continue to get better and remain elite at the college level, but some don't. Some become low level AAs a couple times, but not elite. And some do not much at all at the college level. Being great at the high school level guarantees nothing - it doesn't always translate. No such thing as a "sure thing" in wrestling especially because kids bodies are changing so quickly between late high school and first couple years of college (I wrestled 112 lbs my sophomore year of hs - was 5' 6". My natural weight was probably 125-130. By the end of my freshman year in college I was 6' 2" and 210 lbs.).
yep, and as I posted elsewhere, this kind of $$ may impact desire. It isn't Daddy's $
 
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There was a similar thread over on Intermat that I thought would be interesting for us to discuss here. I added Duke to the list compared to the Intermat thread. Most on Intermat chose Blaze, followed by Forrest. For myself, I would place Blaze and Duke in the top two, with it being a coin flip between their careers. Their stingy defense and solid positioning are what I think separates them from Bassett and Jax; think Dake compared to Taylor. I would place Forrest at three because of his insane scrambling ability and also his ability to generate offense from unconventional positions. This leaves Bassett at four for me, which seems incredible considering his pedigree. The other three are just that incredible. I have doubts that Bassett's frenetic pace will yield as many dividends in college. Also, he too frequently allows his opponents to get to his legs. This is something that will be much more problematic for him in college than it has been for him in high school.

With all of that said, I anticipate stellar careers out of all four of them. As far as predicting the number of national titles for each of them, my cautious nature is telling me to not get too far ahead of myself since national titles are so hard to achieve. But since this is all in fun, my imperfect self is going to go big on all four of them and say that Blaze and Duke get six or more between them and Forrest and Bassett get four or more between them.
PSU fans will say Blaze/Duke
Iowa fans will say Bo
Okie state fans will say Jax
 
PSU fans will say Blaze/Duke
Iowa fans will say Bo
Okie state fans will say Jax
Of course they will but if you asked this before any committed I still think it comes up 1)Blaze/Duke, 2)Jax, 3)Bo

Jax and Bo are absolutely incredible but what Duke and Blaze have done the past 2+ years has been on another level. Both Jax and Bo have lost to high school kids in the past year. Not the other 2
 
I honestly don't intend this to become a "sh*t on the non-PSU commits" thread, but I'd be interested in people's informed scouting reports/thoughts on these guys.

My "non-analyst" thoughts are that Jax seems like a litte DT clone (great scrambler, lots of attacks), Blaze is a great defensive/counter wrestler, and Bo is the classic Iowa guy who will maul dudes with superior physicality (but may struggle to finish vs uber-elite guys)

who's the best on top? who's the most creative? best scrambler?

Since i'm not a flo-subscriber or particularly plugged into HS wrestling, i haven't really seen these guys wrestle very much.
 
Blaze
Duke
Jax
Bo

I shit you not.

The hardest part was picking the order of 1 and 2.
Can't Blaze and Duke be tied for first? Jax could have a crazy career also.

I think Bo's age and body type work against him a little bit for his development in college, as will coaching, compared to the other 3. As I pointed out in another thread, when Bo takes the mat for the first time in college, he will be close to the same age Levi Haines was starting *this* season. So over those last two seasons for both nearing age 20 (or in Bo's case, already 20), Bo is wrestling in HS and Levi went to the NCAA finals twice.
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PSU fans will say Blaze/Duke
Iowa fans will say Bo
Okie state fans will say Jax
Yep....since Blaze and Duke will have PSU coaches, they will clearly be 1A and 1B. Jax will follow closely, since he will be mentored by a Cael disciple, but won't quite reach the level of the PSU guys.

Bo will have to learn to push more and not shoot as much in the Iowa system. He will probably need to work harder too...get beat up a bit and achieve some serious HEW by his sophomore season.
 
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Winning 1 is difficult enough ...
All listed will be multiple time AAs ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_Wrestling_Championships#Individual_results - scroll thru the list and check out all the HS studs that you remember - how many have 1 / 2 / 3 / 4 titles? Shocking to think, even Kolat, Metcalf, and Mocco only have 2.
Yup. It is exceedingly hard to win an NCAA title, much less several. If the Lord allows me to see the completion of all of their college careers I will revisit this thread and see how things shook out.
 
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Another way to look at it is which wrestler, given all the factors, age included, has the most upside from where they are today.
 
Jax may run into a couple years of Lilledahl and/or a year or two of Blaze.

Bo will run into a year of SVN and maybe a year or two Blaze.

Blaze will have to beat Mendez if he’s 141 next year.

Does Sealey slot in at 165 after Mesenbrink and Duke at 174 after Levi?

If yes, Duke prob has the best path right now to a natty as a freshman.

I’ll go Duke-Blaze-Bo-Jax. Noting that Blaze will probably have a national champ in his weight class as a true freshman.
 
Jax may run into a couple years of Lilledahl and/or a year or two of Blaze.

Bo will run into a year of SVN and maybe a year or two Blaze.

Blaze will have to beat Mendez if he’s 141 next year.

Does Sealey slot in at 165 after Mesenbrink and Duke at 174 after Levi?

If yes, Duke prob has the best path right now to a natty as a freshman.

I’ll go Duke-Blaze-Bo-Jax. Noting that Blaze will probably have a national champ in his weight class as a true freshman.
Duke has wrestled every match this year at 170 or 175.

Looks like he bumped up for the challenge -- because he won Bill Farrell at 70 kg/154 lb. Wouldn't be the first -- Mouse and Carter both bumped up.

Guessing the plan will be to shirt him, then probably he succeeds Levi at 174, or maybe he goes 165 and Mesenbrink gets to eat, but 157 seems unlikely.

Either way, Duke after a shirt is gonna make coaches want to ban the redshirt.
 
Duke has wrestled every match this year at 170 or 175.

Looks like he bumped up for the challenge -- because he won Bill Farrell at 70 kg/154 lb. Wouldn't be the first -- Mouse and Carter both bumped up.

Guessing the plan will be to shirt him, then probably he succeeds Levi at 174, or maybe he goes 165 and Mesenbrink gets to eat, but 157 seems unlikely.

Either way, Duke after a shirt is gonna make coaches want to ban the redshirt.
FYI: in the future, if you agree with everything I said, instead of restating it all, you can just like my post.
 
Blaze
Duke
Jax
Bo

I could easily switch Duke and Blaze depending on the day. I may way off on this but with the McCort kids I'm a little worried about their mat wrestling.

And don't mention it @js8793... I know you're thankful for my unbiased opinion. :)
 
Jax may run into a couple years of Lilledahl and/or a year or two of Blaze.

Bo will run into a year of SVN and maybe a year or two Blaze.

Blaze will have to beat Mendez if he’s 141 next year.

Does Sealey slot in at 165 after Mesenbrink and Duke at 174 after Levi?

If yes, Duke prob has the best path right now to a natty as a freshman.

I’ll go Duke-Blaze-Bo-Jax. Noting that Blaze will probably have a national champ in his weight class as a true freshman.
Albeit in FS, but Blaze has beat guys much better then Mendez.
 
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Duke, Blaze, and Jax 1A 1B 1C. I think they'll all have great careers, hopefully injury free.

Bo a distant 2nd.

Albeit in FS, but Blaze has beat guys much better then Mendez.
I know Blaze is currently wrestling 138, but does anyone know if he is cutting any weight to make 138? I guess my real question is, as a freshman, is he more likely to wrestle 133 or 141? I do know he wrestled 125 fifteen months ago (at the Clarion Open, where he beat Matt Ramos and Jax Forrest) and 61 kg. (134.5 lb.) in September (See below. Unfortunately, I believe the videos require a Flo account to view)


 
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I know Blaze is currently wrestling 138, but does anyone know if he is cutting any weight to make 138? I guess my real question is, as a freshman, is he more likely to wrestle 133 or 141? I do know he wrestled 125 fifteen months ago (at the Clarion Open, where he beat Matt Ramos and Jax Forrest) and 61 kg. (134.5 lb.) in September (See below. Unfortunately, I believe the videos require a Flo account to view)


I believe he wrestled 133 at the Findlay open a couple months ago.
 
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all too young to tell... but the last match I saw Jax wrestle the opponent got to his legs several times. In college someone will be finishing. With Bo, I would assume college seasoned wrestler can go toe to toe with the snaps - that is the majority of his offense. Don't get me wrong, I'm looking for an opening here - their success to date says it all
 
Blaze
Duke
Jax
Bo

I could easily switch Duke and Blaze depending on the day. I may way off on this but with the McCort kids I'm a little worried about their mat wrestling.

And don't mention it @js8793... I know you're thankful for my unbiased opinion. :)
I have been impressed with Blaze's riding ability in some of the matches he has had against college wrestlers. He didn't turn people, but he was able to put on some tenacious rides. In his match with Jax at last season's Clarion Open he ended the match with 1:44 in riding time. I don't see any obvious weaknesses for him in any of the three positions.
 
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