ADVERTISEMENT

Future PSU Lineup discussions

Yeah. Cruz is an entirely different wrestler than he was earlier this season. 125 will be a very good bout.
I think Cruz's aggressiveness that he showed against Ohio State will be just the thing Luke needs after experiencing what it is like wrestling a defensive wrestler like Peterson. Luke is solid in scrambles and I think a match with a more offensive-minded opponent like Cruz is beneficial for him. As we saw with Peterson, one of the more difficult transitions from HS to College is being able to move your opponent around and create angles for shots. Also, in the Peterson match you are talking about a more slightly built true freshman 125 going against against a strong 5th year wrestler.

I foresee great things out of Luke. I think he has all the tools he needs to compete at the highest levels in college. Right now he seems to be trying to figure out how to incorporate his style against wrestlers who present him with different looks and challenges. As a true freshman the learning curve is steep indeed.

Regarding Braeden, I believe he struggles to create offense against wrestlers who are primarily counter wrestlers. In my mind part of that struggle is his wide stance. This seems to hinder the speed of his forward motion, especially from space. He seems to feel more comfortable operating from ties, and his opponents are now aware of this. Also, he still needs to work on keeping his composure when the match or officiating is not going his way. I was actually surprised that he didn't think those stalling warnings were coming when he didn't return Peterson to the mat.
 
Yes preseason #1 next year is obviously next year. And yes every PSU wrestler could feasibly be preseason ranked next year, just like all of them could be finalist this year yes it can all possibly happen.

I just still dont get all the Luke hype tbh.. he has had many close matches to mid tier 125 pounders where he needed to win by a late takedown.. best win is Caleb Smith, loses to Peterson, has yet to face the top tier of 125, yet, most PSU fans still predict him to be a finalist this year I don’t understand that… I think Barr is much more likely to do this then Luke. I’ve said it for while now PSU’s weakest link to achieving 10 AA is Luke yet most still prolly think it’s Davis..
I predicted your comments. Why the hype? Really? How many time has he been taken down this true freshman year? I can only remember once. He is a multiple time age World Champ. Ever seen Kyle Dake wrestle? He didnt always set the world on fire but had a decent career🙄
 
Luke reminds me of Megaludis early on in his true freshman year.

Not real active with his offense and a bit overmatched physically against some of the older guys.

Once the light turned on for Nico, he became a very dynamic wrestler. Hopefully Lilly will have a similar trajectory as he gets more experience.

As for this Friday, I think Luke is a bad matchup for Cruz. He is a much better counter wrestler than McCrone and will use Cruz's activity against him.
 
Luke reminds me of Megaludis early on in his true freshman year.

Not real active with his offense and a bit overmatched physically against some of the older guys.

Once the light turned on for Nico, he became a very dynamic wrestler. Hopefully Lilly will have a similar trajectory as he gets more experience.

As for this Friday, I think Luke is a bad matchup for Cruz. He is a much better counter wrestler than McCrone and will use Cruz's activity against him.
McCrone kind of sucks. They can't keep rolling him out there instead of Kilkeary or they're going to lose Kilkeary (I know he beat Kilkeary, but obvious is obvious at this point...). With Davino coming off RS next year, tOSU's lightweight room is going to get pretty tight for starting spots. McCrone has lost to Smith, Spratley, Renteria, Ramos, and Cruz. In other words, anyone he's faced other than Kilkeary who is any good. His only B1G win is against 3-11 pigeon Caelan Riley.
 
I predicted your comments. Why the hype? Really? How many time has he been taken down this true freshman year? I can only remember once. He is a multiple time age World Champ. Ever seen Kyle Dake wrestle? He didnt always set the world on fire but had a decent career🙄
He got taken down more then once and had many matches that were close till the third, to Luke’s credit he gutted out most of them. When I asked why the hype I’m referring only to folkstyle and the hype on him winning the title this year and becoming multiple time champ, which many Psu fans were penciling in preseason… it makes sense then bc he’s a world champ but I don’t hold freestyle success correlation 1:1 with folkstyle. Now season is almost over soon and still Luke is held to same hype which is what I don’t understand but we will see.

Isn’t Kueter also a world champ ? I think Luke’s college career will more mirror Kueter’s more then Kyle Dake’s (multiple time AA and possible champ rather then a 4x champ).
 
He got taken down more then once and had many matches that were close till the third, to Luke’s credit he gutted out most of them. When I asked why the hype I’m referring only to folkstyle and the hype on him winning the title this year and becoming multiple time champ, which many Psu fans were penciling in preseason… it makes sense then bc he’s a world champ but I don’t hold freestyle success correlation 1:1 with folkstyle. Now season is almost over soon and still Luke is held to same hype which is what I don’t understand but we will see.

Isn’t Kueter also a world champ ? I think Luke’s college career will more mirror Kueter’s more then Kyle Dake’s (multiple time AA and possible champ rather then a 4x champ).
Lilledahl has performed significantly better than Kueter at SR level.
 
Luke reminds me of Megaludis early on in his true freshman year.

Not real active with his offense and a bit overmatched physically against some of the older guys.

Once the light turned on for Nico, he became a very dynamic wrestler. Hopefully Lilly will have a similar trajectory as he gets more experience.

As for this Friday, I think Luke is a bad matchup for Cruz. He is a much better counter wrestler than McCrone and will use Cruz's activity against him.
I'm surprised anyone on this board thinks cruz will be aggressive in the slightest bit. Those mat monkeys will be preaching one takedown for every match this week in my opinion lol
 
He got taken down more then once and had many matches that were close till the third, to Luke’s credit he gutted out most of them. When I asked why the hype I’m referring only to folkstyle and the hype on him winning the title this year and becoming multiple time champ, which many Psu fans were penciling in preseason… it makes sense then bc he’s a world champ but I don’t hold freestyle success correlation 1:1 with folkstyle. Now season is almost over soon and still Luke is held to same hype which is what I don’t understand but we will see.

Isn’t Kueter also a world champ ? I think Luke’s college career will more mirror Kueter’s more then Kyle Dake’s (multiple time AA and possible champ rather then a 4x champ).
With you . . . kinda. As with transitive results, I don’t blindly apply freestyle success to folkstyle, (Alex F crunching Levi in last free bout just one example). A true frosh, Luke clearly looks thinner and less powerful than a solid, fourth-year vet like Peterson, who beat similarly strong Ramos last March.
That said, Luke’s speed and attack rate are elite, even if many attacks get thwarted by skilled defenders. Most here believe he’ll improve shot success and/or win a majority of scrambles to take most every match, even to the point of becoming a true frosh champ. Like you, I have doubts, but also see enough to believe it possible. B1Gs will shine plenty of light. Expect we’ll both adjust opinions after it.
To your last point, advantages favoring Luke’s career over Kueter’s will always be the room and staff.
 
  • Like
Reactions: KidDagger
He got taken down more then once and had many matches that were close till the third, to Luke’s credit he gutted out most of them. When I asked why the hype I’m referring only to folkstyle and the hype on him winning the title this year and becoming multiple time champ, which many Psu fans were penciling in preseason… it makes sense then bc he’s a world champ but I don’t hold freestyle success correlation 1:1 with folkstyle. Now season is almost over soon and still Luke is held to same hype which is what I don’t understand but we will see.

Isn’t Kueter also a world champ ? I think Luke’s college career will more mirror Kueter’s more then Kyle Dake’s (multiple time AA and possible champ rather then a 4x champ).
Naw...season isn't over soon. You're missing how important the month of February is to Cael and his coaching staff and how he has turned young wrestlers from taking weird losses into national champion contenders. The list is very long. Some of the names... Cenzo, Brooks, Starocci, Van Ness, Kasak etc etc. When Cael preaches about "the process"....he's not just blowing smoke up our asses.
 
Naw...season isn't over soon. You're missing how important the month of February is to Cael and his coaching staff and how he has turned young wrestlers from taking weird losses into national champion contenders. The list is very long. Some of the names... Cenzo, Brooks, Starocci, Van Ness, Kasak etc etc. When Cael preaches about "the process"....he's not just blowing smoke up our asses.
Somewhat mind boggling, but Cael has won more National championships than Big10 championships. He can elevate both the physical and mental peak within that final 2 week period, both for the team and individuals.
 
Naw...season isn't over soon. You're missing how important the month of February is to Cael and his coaching staff and how he has turned young wrestlers from taking weird losses into national champion contenders. The list is very long. Some of the names... Cenzo, Brooks, Starocci, Van Ness, Kasak etc etc. When Cael preaches about "the process"....he's not just blowing smoke up our asses.

Once again. Trust Cael. His methods are tested and proven-over and over and...
 
After scoring back to back record setting championships can you imagine a next yr lineup with only 1 sr?

Lilledahl tSo.
Ono tFr. (Davis RS)
Blaze tFr.
SVN rsJr.
Duke tFr. (Kasak RS)
Messenbrink rsJr.
Haines tSr.
Ryder rsFr.
Barr rsSo.
Transfer (Feldman?)
 
After scoring back to back record setting championships can you imagine a next yr lineup with only 1 sr?

Lilledahl tSo.
Ono tFr. (Davis RS)
Blaze tFr.
SVN rsJr.
Duke tFr. (Kasak RS)
Messenbrink rsJr.
Haines tSr.
Ryder rsFr.
Barr rsSo.
Transfer (Feldman?)

I think the only way Davis or Kasak redshirt is if they are beaten out for the spot by someone. No reason to think that Ono is wrestling at PSU next year, but hard to imagine that he's going to be easily beaten if he did, though I can't imagine he's ever wrestled folkstyle before and I guess you never know. Regarding Kasak/Duke, geez louise, that's a wrestle-off we'd all pay to see, but Kasak's not giving up the spot easily. I also really like Cole Mirasola at HWT, but admittedly, we don't have any/many backups should something happen with him, so I'm not opposed to the idea of a transfer in at HWT as long as that individual knows that he's not being given the starting spot.
 
I think the only way Davis or Kasak redshirt is if they are beaten out for the spot by someone. No reason to think that Ono is wrestling at PSU next year, but hard to imagine that he's going to be easily beaten if he did, though I can't imagine he's ever wrestled folkstyle before and I guess you never know. Regarding Kasak/Duke, geez louise, that's a wrestle-off we'd all pay to see, but Kasak's not giving up the spot easily. I also really like Cole Mirasola at HWT, but admittedly, we don't have any/many backups should something happen with him, so I'm not opposed to the idea of a transfer in at HWT as long as that individual knows that he's not being given the starting spot.
A Kasak-Duke wrestle-off might be the national finals in the PSU room in the preseason. LOL. I think it’s more likely Duke just redshirts. Kasak is currently undefeated and ranked #1. If the season ends with him as an undefeated national champ, how do you take him out of the lineup even if Duke can beat him in the room?
 
After scoring back to back record setting championships can you imagine a next yr lineup with only 1 sr?

Lilledahl tSo.
Ono tFr. (Davis RS)
Blaze tFr.
SVN rsJr.
Duke tFr. (Kasak RS)
Messenbrink rsJr.
Haines tSr.
Ryder rsFr.
Barr rsSo.
Transfer (Feldman?)
I don't think Duke going to a 157 lbs, he is wrestling 170's this year. I think Mirasola twins will either be 184 or 197 for conner and heavy weight for Cole. Maybe the heavy weight from camball could transfer ,if Cole needs another feed year.
 
I don't think Duke going to a 157 lbs, he is wrestling 170's this year. I think Mirasola twins will either be 184 or 197 for conner and heavy weight for Cole. Maybe the heavy weight from camball could transfer ,if Cole needs another feed year.
Cael needs to petition for more weight classes. Maybe something like 155, 160, 165, 170, 175, 180, 190, 200, and HWT. That way, we can actually fit everyone in:

155 Kasak
160 Duke
165 MM
170 Haines
175 Sealey
180 Ryder
190 Barr
200 Connor
HWT Cole

That leaves out only Henckel and Asher.
 
Do any of you see Nagao seeing the mat again for Penn State? If not, I would like him back please.
As with many things I can occupy an island, alone.

If the rumors of Nagao having never been fully healthy are true, maybe none of us have seen his best product, yet. Another full year in our room can continue to transform as well.

Both Nagao and Davis have displayed real weaknesses in their game, particularly in scramble situations.

Is it possible that Nagao beats out Davis next year? I didn't think we have seen enough to say this is implausable. Yeah, I'll say it and take another beating. Both are more likely 4-8 type guys than 1-4.

I really wished we had seen Davis vs Ayala, and I get it with Crookham possibly out the National championship is there for the taking. Big10s will really validate where Davis is, if he wins again against that competition I may be convinced he has jumped levels, and he would probably get the #2 or #3 seed. His inconsistency is a bit frustrating, and he can do unconventional things at the wrong time. Then there is the fact that it appears he too is currently injured. If significant, then well, that is significant.

Just another long Googles' post, where I could have simply said 'yes'.
 
After scoring back to back record setting championships can you imagine a next yr lineup with only 1 sr?

Lilledahl tSo.
Ono tFr. (Davis RS)
Blaze tFr.
SVN rsJr.
Duke tFr. (Kasak RS)
Messenbrink rsJr.
Haines tSr.
Ryder rsFr.
Barr rsSo.
Transfer (Feldman?)
Why even have any sr in the lineup next year, can rs Haines and put in Facundo/Asher/Henckel.. would be a statement title wit no sr in lineup.. history made once again.

Why transfer at hwt and how did u get Feldman? Mirasola not good enough? Heck even Cochran can bump up not sure where u got Feldman from.
 
Somewhat mind boggling, but Cael has won more National championships than Big10 championships. He can elevate both the physical and mental peak within that final 2 week period, both for the team and individuals.
PSU winning more NCAA titles than B1G titles has a lot more to do with makeup of the PSU lineup during those years, rather than with peaking physically and mentally.

Three time PSU finished second at B1Gs, then went on to win NCAAs. This happened in 2017 (losing B1G to anOSU), 2018 (anOSU), and 2022 (Michigan). In every case, the B1G team champion finished 2nd at NCAAs. The difference was that the five or so PSU guys that won B1G titles in those years were good enough usually win an NCAA title as well. Whereas, once the rest of the national field entered the picture, the 5 to 7 B1G champs from anOSU or Michigan were spread out among 1st thru 5th place.

It all came down to PSU having more truly elite guys in the lineup, whereas the other teams in question (anOSU, Michigan) had more balance throughout the lineup. The strong, balanced lineups helped to win B1G titles, but could not match the high-end talent of PSU when the national field entered the equation at NCAAs.
 
PSU winning more NCAA titles than B1G titles has a lot more to do with makeup of the PSU lineup during those years, rather than with peaking physically and mentally.

Three time PSU finished second at B1Gs, then went on to win NCAAs. This happened in 2017 (losing B1G to anOSU), 2018 (anOSU), and 2022 (Michigan). In every case, the B1G team champion finished 2nd at NCAAs. The difference was that the five or so PSU guys that won B1G titles in those years were good enough usually win an NCAA title as well. Whereas, once the rest of the national field entered the picture, the 5 to 7 B1G champs from anOSU or Michigan were spread out among 1st thru 5th place.

It all came down to PSU having more truly elite guys in the lineup, whereas the other teams in question (anOSU, Michigan) had more balance throughout the lineup. The strong, balanced lineups helped to win B1G titles, but could not match the high-end talent of PSU when the national field entered the equation at NCAAs; nothing magical or zen-like about it.
Partially: our guys have been known to win NCAA titles as individuals without winning the B1G title:

AB 2022
Carter 2021
NLee 2021
Joseph 2018
Nickal 2017
Hall 2017
Joseph 2017
Megaludis 2016
Brown 2015
 
Predictions on next year’s PSU vs Iowa dual?

Edit: this was posted as a joke as the first response in a thread about the Superbowl. Because it’s always about how quickly threads turn into Iowa threads. Mods moved things. (Stupid mods ruining my standup routine.)
 
Last edited:
Predictions on next year’s PSU vs Iowa dual?
mrt-prediction.gif
 
I don't think Duke going to a 157 lbs, he is wrestling 170's this year. I think Mirasola twins will either be 184 or 197 for conner and heavy weight for Cole. Maybe the heavy weight from camball could transfer ,if Cole needs another feed year.
Said this before, but Duke wrestled at 70 kg (154 lb) as recently as September 2024, in the U20 World Championship. He wrestled at 160 lb as a junior in high school (2023-24 season). His weight class as a senior in high school probably isn't indicative of his college weight class.

Also, Duke himself has said (albeit about 16 months ago) that he expects to go at 157 at PSU.
 
  • Like
Reactions: hlstone
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT