Illinois dual thread - Feb 16

[jmadden1998]

This is actual footage of Bushwood during every match to be prepared for any questionable calls.

 

[tullfan68]

LOL the guy never got the whizzer in till way after the TD and what happend to the 3 rd person video deciding when did they go back to the 2 refs deciding? bad move one of the worst decisions I have ever seen!

 

[Chickenman Testa]

If we can’t pay to attend or watch them wrestle, perhaps donate towards what they do, and offer the occasional opinion about what we see, then what are we even doing here?

Imagine a world of Todd Conners. A trusting and uncritical world - filled with leprechauns and fairies; gold dust and chocolate rivers

 

[railbirrd]

Getting out muscled by Harry Potter.

what's with the semicolon tattoo on Byrd's left calf? English major?

Disregard. Probably a wink.

 

[Petch]

One more Illinois win and we get a Pyles video about how close this match really is.

…followed by a short documentary on Iowa’s 2nd most impressive wrestler this season.

 

[slushhead]

Imagine a world of Todd Conners. A trusting and uncritical world - filled with leprechauns and fairies; gold dust and chocolate rivers

To be fair, there are leprechauns in Iowa City. At least 2 by my count.

 

[Ja1339]

Always comical on these threads hearing older men critique D1 wrestlers, even more so when the target is a freshman. Joe Sealey may never beat out Tyler, or MM, or PJ for a starting spot at PSU, but I’m glad he believes he can, despite all our precious, informed doubts and instructions on how he needs to improve.

Agree, and certainly sounds like he showed improvement from Friday to today.

 

[Doak]

what's with the semicolon tattoo on Byrd's left calf? English major?

Disregard. Probably a wink.

Suicide prevention awareness.

 

[railbirrd]

You would think there would be some sort of review process so the refs could receive feedback. However, typically what happens is refs will slap each other on the back and tell them great call.

The best ref I've seen in years was the guy on Friday night. He was so damn good that nobody knows his name.

Reynaldo Santiago of Port Lucie, FL. Tim Johnson said his name.

 

[Nitlion1986]

To be fair, there are leprechauns in Iowa City. At least 2 by my count.

They never wear green though.

 

[BruceK-PSU83]

I'm looking forward to the Arnold-Welsh barnburners.

Going into OT tied at 1-1 almost assured.

 

[apoharrow]

Anyone go to this match? Just wondering what the reaction was from our side when the call was overturned. It looked like Imar was shocked

 

[BruceK-PSU83]

The Big Ten needs to review that and take disciplinary action against Rivera. He’s got to be held accountable for his incompetence.

LOL, will never happen.

It was a brutal call to wave off the Sealey TD, but really all we can do is laugh it off. Fortunately, had no impact on the dual, though it did cost Sealey his first college win.

 

[BruceK-PSU83]

Anyone go to this match? Just wondering what the reaction was from our side when the call was overturned. It looked like Imar was shocked

Casey to Cael, "We just got Rivera'd."

Cael: "I guess Angel is still making us pay for Vinny Kilkeary's non-TD against Davis in the Ohio State dual last season."

 

[PAgeologist]

We're these guys student announcers?

 

[tullfan68]

probably called a continuation he had the TD solid before the arm was even close to whizzer

 

[HikeNatParks]

If we can’t pay to attend or watch them wrestle, perhaps donate towards what they do, and offer the occasional opinion about what we see, then what are we even doing here?

Fair enough, I’ll just never care for criticizing young men, especially freshmen, doing their best in a combat sport. That’s just me.

 

[Creek Side]

We're these guys student announcers?

1 definitely was not. They did a pretty good job.

 

[HikeNatParks]

This is a sports message board, if there were no critiques of athletes on here it would be the only message board in the world without them.

Touche. Can't argue against that.

 

[mcpat]

Fair enough, I’ll just never care for criticizing young men, especially freshmen, doing their best in a combat sport. That’s just me.

You literally wrote what everyone else wrote (“Sealey may never beat out Tyler, or MM, or PJ for a starting spot at PSU“) while disparaging everyone else for writing it. So save the holier than thou stuff (“that’s just me”).

 

[tullfan68]

I love it when the announcers always sat the big has the best refs then we gotta watch trash like this!

 

[Callthestall]

Here's Angel's blown call again:

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Could you imagine that call being made and cost a kid advancement in NCAA tournament or a team going for a record win streak.
Absolutely terrible. The Big Ten should let Elon Musk determine Angel fate.😏

 

[HikeNatParks]

You literally wrote what everyone else wrote (“Sealey may never beat out Tyler, or MM, or PJ for a starting spot at PSU“) while disparaging everyone else for writing it.

Hmm . . I see now what you mean, though "may" implies that I feel he has a chance to do just that . . . even without my guidance. Bottom line, you and RB are right. This is a message board. Criticizing athletes is a hallmark of it. I just didn't much care for the Sealey jabs, not against a pretty solid Buckeye opponent. Now excuse me while I go out to shovel a bit of unexpected snow the weather folks underestimated.

 

[HCS3Seasons]

I surprised that Davis hasn’t progressed in year 2 , yeah he’s been hurt , and maybe that’s it I don’t know
He needs to really turn it around to get good placement at Bigs, and try to AA

I wonder if Cael banned all scooter rides going forward

What was the score against Crookham? He's been dinged up in some way or another most of the season... just saying...

 

[Shifty15]

You literally wrote what everyone else wrote (“Sealey may never beat out Tyler, or MM, or PJ for a starting spot at PSU“) while disparaging everyone else for writing it. So save the holier than thou stuff (“that’s just me”).

And ripped on Kueter for not progressing…uh, he’s a RS freshman. Something about glass houses comes to mind.

 

[mcpat]

Hmm . . I see now what you mean, though "may" implies that I feel he has a chance to do just that . . . underestimated.

Like my post that said “Not saying he won’t get there, but there is a hill to climb.”?

Like billrag who wrote “. I hope he turns things around and becomes a real option at some point. Sometime it takes some time and we know that he has been dealing with some things.”?

Like BobAnderson who wrote “Now his first couple matches are in the books and I would anticipate better efforts moving forward.”?

Etc.

That’s just us.

 

[HCS3Seasons]

I don’t know about tech, but short of that, I was thinking the same.

How many dual matches did DT start during his TRUE freshman year?

 

[BOSCO2]

1 definitely was not. They did a pretty good job.

Although one of them said both teams were wearing navy blue singlets and you could tell who was who by the color of their anklet. Followed up immediately by saying Illinois was wearing the red anklet “at least for this bout”.

 

[mcpat]

How many dual matches did DT start during his TRUE freshman year?

I mean, you know he didn’t wrestle in any duals that year since doing so at the time would have burned his redshirt.

But here’s what the team site says:

“2009-10:
Red-shirt season...posted 21-2 record as an unattached competitor...wrestled in five open tournaments, winning three and taking second in the other two...won W&J Open on 1/14...second at ESU Open on 11/22...won Mat-Town on 11/28...second at NLO on 12/6 (losing to Lion All-American Cyler Sanderson 9-7 in finals)...won National Collegiate Open on 2/20...competed all season at 157...7-0 in pins, 10-0 in technical falls and 2-0 in majors.”

That other loss, at the ESU open, was 4-3 to Bubba Jenkins.

 

[Callthestall]

Like my post that said “Not saying he won’t get there, but there is a hill to climb.”?

Like billrag who wrote “. I hope he turns things around and becomes a real option at some point. Sometime it takes some time and we know that he has been dealing with some things.”?

Like BobAnderson who wrote “Now his first couple matches are in the books and I would anticipate better efforts moving forward.”?

Etc.

That’s just us.

To continue about mcpat thoughts. We can post comments and opinion. My opinion about Sealy was based on a very knowledgeable Seminary fan who was concerned about Sealy moving up against college competition and the strength needed to be successful. The kid was great at Wyoming. I think he won 3 Nationals. His (no)takedown was/is what probably made him dominate at Wyoming. Hopefully he figures out bottom.
Commenting about a shortcoming of a wrestler shouldn't be treated as something wrong. What do you think the coaching staff talks to the kid about . These are young men, not teenagers.
Honesty is part of life.

 

[rll1957]

What was the score against Crookham? He's been dinged up in some way or another most of the season... just saying...

He’s wrestling on one leg

 

[Shifty15]

He’s wrestling on one leg

Well, the guy from In Search of the Holy Grail did OK on one leg for a bit…

 

[donboy6499]

…followed by a short documentary on Iowa’s 2nd most impressive wrestler this season.

Doing docs on Angelo already?

 

[07mantle]

The whizzer has to be in place before they hit the deck... Sealy was in a clear "control position" when they hit the deck with at least 3 points of contact - that's a takedown. You can't "create" a whizzer in arrears.... it has to be there BEFORE they hit the mat with one wrestler in a control position.

In addition, even you wanted to call that a “whizzer” (lol .. an inverted or upside down whizzer) Sealy clearly covered both legs at the end … with his opponent’s butt on the mat and Sealy covering his hips… only in Angel’s world is that not control and a TD.

 

[PSU210]

Could you imagine that call being made and cost a kid advancement in NCAA tournament or a team going for a record win streak.
Absolutely terrible. The Big Ten should let Elon Musk determine Angel fate.😏

He'd have a kid with Angel's wife

 

[PaWrestlingFan7]

Could you imagine that call being made and cost a kid advancement in NCAA tournament or a team going for a record win streak.
Absolutely terrible. The Big Ten should let Elon Musk determine Angel fate.😏

The difference is at the national tournament it's an independent review and there is no way that call gets overturned.

 

[HCS3Seasons]

I mean, you know he didn’t wrestle in any duals that year since doing so at the time would have burned his redshirt.

But here’s what the team site says:

“2009-10:
Red-shirt season...posted 21-2 record as an unattached competitor...wrestled in five open tournaments, winning three and taking second in the other two...won W&J Open on 1/14...second at ESU Open on 11/22...won Mat-Town on 11/28...second at NLO on 12/6 (losing to Lion All-American Cyler Sanderson 9-7 in finals)...won National Collegiate Open on 2/20...competed all season at 157...7-0 in pins, 10-0 in technical falls and 2-0 in majors.”

That other loss, at the ESU open, was 4-3 to Bubba Jenkins.

That's kind of my point... DT lost to a teammate who finished 6th at 2010 NCAA while gettting pinned and majored in consolations. For the same reason you make - that wrestling a varsity match would have burned DT's shirt - I suspect that "the field" at ESU, W&J and Mat Town didn't include many starters from other D1 teams. I doubt anyone had expectations that Sealy was going to be the second coming of DT..... Different circumstances (redshirt rules) shouldn't cloud our perspective of true freshman "spot starters" on the current team. Different opinions don't make either of us wrong.

 

[PAgeologist]

1 definitely was not. They did a pretty good job.

They were both good in my opinion. Was hoping they could hit the portal and come to PSU.

 

[a_mshaffer]

That whizzer was late. Angel always has to f’up. Pathetic!

yeah, on his hip, flat on the mat

 

[07mantle]

Speaking of consistency. Angel is consistently horrible.

I would bet you could look at clips at pretty much all of Angel’s duals that he’s reffed where someone has gotten “Angel’d’…it would amount to a 10 season mini series.