rally hard to score points when the other guy wont wrestle!
Illinois dual thread - Feb 16
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do refs even know a stall when a kid is winning by 12 points with 30 seconds left he wasn't the one stalling
Is there any type of review of the ref's calls. If a certain ref consistently has bad calls is anyone reviewing them or are they not held accountable.
We all have watched the same TD over and over again. The kid's butt is on the mat with Joe's right arm rapped across his lower back. By some miracle you allow for response time, the wrestler's left arm is laying on Sealey's right arm and not initially engaged. The whizzer comes way late in the action. BS call
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Like this post if you think Angel should be imprisoned for that call
Angel Rivera is the Angel Hernandez of wrestling referees
Enters arena
Makes horrendous, utterly inexplicably bad calls
Acknowledges nothing other than his own perceived importance
Leaves
Enters arena
Makes horrendous, utterly inexplicably bad calls
Acknowledges nothing other than his own perceived importance
Leaves
Carter had that stall ride working tonight.
I'm not sure there's any other parallel in sports for a significant rule change to be caused in large measure because a single referee is an idiot
i know there is 1 dual left, but to me it appears LL, BB, SVN, MM, LH, CS, JB and Kirk are all ready to go and (sickness aside) relatively healthy and are peaking. A little concerned about Levi’s attack rate hasn’t been the same for a few weeks now - not counting Michigan match. But he’s Levi, so…
Need Braden and Tyler to heal up.
Nice to see Joe look a bit more like himself today. I dont know if he ever makes the lineup but he took a step forward today and deserved the win against a seasoned pro.
To me, trying to factor in seeds at this point, the likelihood of making the NCAA finals, in order are: MM, CStar, Kirk, Levi, Kasak, SVN, JB, BB, LL, BD. I think the over/under on finalists is 5.5 and I’d take the over.
Need Braden and Tyler to heal up.
Nice to see Joe look a bit more like himself today. I dont know if he ever makes the lineup but he took a step forward today and deserved the win against a seasoned pro.
To me, trying to factor in seeds at this point, the likelihood of making the NCAA finals, in order are: MM, CStar, Kirk, Levi, Kasak, SVN, JB, BB, LL, BD. I think the over/under on finalists is 5.5 and I’d take the over.
Oh, I like these. Must’ve cherrypicked a few that got under my skin and set me off. One thing’s certain. I’m sure to irritate and disagree again. Like others have said, that’s why we’re here.
Caliendo teched Scoles. I think he’s the favorite at 165 moving forward.
I think Levi needs to get away from his high crotch a little bit and work in a outside single or a underhook throw by to a single. They know he wants a high crotch, so show them something different, then again maybe he's waiting to show it in the postseason. 🤷♂️
In the press conference with Angel, he said it probably should have been a 3..
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Scoles and Mitchell trained together for years at Askren. So Scoles was very familiar with everything Mitchell does.
I bet big brother takes him to the shed after that showing!
Never been a fan of Angel Rivera. Also not much of a fan of Nick Grosso (secondary official at Illinois-PSU dual), especially this year. He didn't do such a hot job when he officiated one (a couple?) of our earlier duals this season. Grosso was the official for our Rutgers dual meet.
He's clueless. Just like when folks say stupid sh&t like refs can't affect the outcome of matches. Fact is, no matter how hard one tries, in close battles, scum like Angel can and will change outcomes. Joe didn't have to do better because he actually won the match. F Angel.
Some have said this here as well. Angel will say he didn't control him " beyond reaction time". I thought he did and it should've been 3. Reaction time in the rule book isn't defined it's up to each official to determine themselves it's a total judgement call. I hate it but not sure how you can actually define reaction time any other way. Hard to say 1 second or 2 seconds and have that be timed during the action.
If the kids had been clear at the end then I would still be a bit peeved at the call, but OK.
He wasn't fress. He was wrestling to break control at that end.
He wasn't fress. He was wrestling to break control at that end.
I've said this before and I'll say it again-Grosso is the only official I've seen call a double stall in a looooong time (twice this year) which I think the sport would be well served to see called more often.
Given that they were partially OB when they landed on the edge of the mat, I'm not even sure reaction time applies in that situation. In a situation where one or both wrestlers are partially OB, I believe there is no reaction time and a TD is instantaneous if one wrestler is in a control position and there is at least 3-points of contact from the other wrestler (both criteria were satisfied when they hit the mat at the edge partially OB - there was no whizzer when they hit the mat).
0-0 at the end of the first, should be an automatic double stall.
I've seen matches where both guys are very active and it's high-level wrestling but are so evenly matched it ends up at 0-0. You still want automatic stall?
And it looked like Mitchell took it a little easy on him.
Wasn't there a time in college wrestling when if no points were scored in the 1st period, the ref would have to award a stall call to one of the wrestlers? I can't recall if the ref could award a double stall call or not.
I will take Messenbrink and however many points you deem appreciate to give me.
Yep. Make a rule for the usual circumstances. The 1 out of 50 exception is a silly reason to not implement a rule that otherwise seems to make sense.
Can’t be right HIA claims PSU is certain wrestling only started 14 years ago!
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