Illinois dual thread - Feb 16

[danoftw]

Can’t be right HIA claims PSU is certain wrestling only started 24 years ago!

Wrestling BC. Before Cael

 

[west2east]

I've said this before and I'll say it again-Grosso is the only official I've seen call a double stall in a looooong time (twice this year) which I think the sport would be well served to see called more often.

Grosso is a good ref and he doesn't take anything personal and is always willing to answer any question you've

 

[railbirrd]

Grosso is a good ref and he doesn't take anything personal and is always willing to answer any question you've

Please ask him what he saw that he and Angel overturned Joe Sealey's TD.

 

[Lionscrebs]

Grosso is a good ref and he doesn't take anything personal and is always willing to answer any question you've

I like Grasso but they screwed that call up.

 

[west2east]

Please ask him what he saw that he and Angel overturned Joe Sealey's TD.

The 2nd official can give his input but at the end of the day it's the guy on the whistle who decides. From what I have been told Angel didn't feel that Sealey controlled him beyond reaction time. Not sure how he can think that but he did he must think reaction time is 2 seconds 🤷

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

The 2nd official can give his input but at the end of the day it's the guy on the whistle who decides. From what I have been told Angel didn't feel that Sealey controlled him beyond reaction time. Not sure how he can think that but he did he must think reaction time is 2 seconds 🤷

Again, I'm not even sure "reaction time" applied to the situation as it took place on the edge and the wrestlers landed partially OB.... Under those circumstances, the TD is instantaneous once there is at least 3 points of contact by bottom wrestler with top wrestler in a control position.

 

[west2east]

Again, I'm not even sure "reaction time" applied to the situation as it took place on the edge and the wrestlers landed partially OB.... Under those circumstances, the TD is instantaneous once there is at least 3 points of contact by bottom wrestler with top wrestler in a control position.

They rolled out seconds after reaction would've been in play if I remember right. When they went out Kraisser had secured the whizzer. It was 3 before they rolled I thought and thats when reaction time would be considered

 

[Lionscrebs]

They rolled out seconds after reaction would've been in play if I remember right. When they went out Kraisser had secured the whizzer. It was 3 before they rolled I thought and thats when reaction time would be considered

Can you imagine if that would of been called in the NCAA Finals??? Geeezzzzz.

 

[Shifty15]

Can you imagine if that would have been called in the NCAA Finals??? Geeezzzzz.

Calling Mr. Oliver…calling Mr. Jordan Oliver

 

[FatWoodchuck]

Sorry if already brought up. Wasn't it sealys match that he got called for stalling when he touched the floor off the mat AFTER his opponent already stepped off the mat?

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

They rolled out seconds after reaction would've been in play if I remember right. When they went out Kraisser had secured the whizzer. It was 3 before they rolled I thought and thats when reaction time would be considered

Wrong, go rewatch the video - Kraisser's right shoulder lands beyond the stripe and then he is pulling himself further OB (they very clearly didn't "roll" - Kraiser landed partially OB and immediately continued to pull himself further OB backwards). They don't both have to be OB for the rule to apply (there is no TD if both are fully OB when control occurs) - they only have to land partially OB with the bottom wrestler attempting to go further OB for the instantaneous rule to be in effect. Go watch the video again - Kraisser definitely landed partially OB with Seally in a control position and immediately tries to drag himself (and Seally) further OB. Under the rules, that is an immediate takedown - Kraiser does not get "reaction time" in his attempts to move the action further OB.

 

[west2east]

Wrong, go rewatch the video - Kraisser's right shoulder lands beyond the stripe and then he is pulling himself further OB (they very clearly didn't "roll" - Kraiser landed partially OB and immediately continued to pull himself further OB backwards). They don't both have to be OB for the rule to apply (there is no TD if both are fully OB when control occurs) - they only have to land partially OB with the bottom wrestler attempting to go further OB for the instantaneous rule to be in effect. Go watch the video again - Kraisser definitely landed partially OB with Seally in a control position and immediately tries to drag himself (and Seally) further OB. Under the rules, that is an immediate takedown - Kraiser does not get "reaction time" in his attempts to move the action further OB.

I didn't see at as an edge takedown like you did. I think it was 3 before Kraisser throws the whizzer.

 

[CJFisJoePaII]

I didn't see at as an edge takedown like you did. I think it was 3 before Kraisser throws the whizzer.

The video clearly shows Kraisser's upper left shoulder and head landing beyond the OB stripe (Kraisser lands on his back with Seally driving him directly perpendicular to the OB line - iow, both wrestlers are more-or-less 90° to the OB stripe and Seally is driving Kraisser straight back towards OB. Kraisser lands on his back partially OB as I already described - neither of Kraissers hands or arms are engaged with Seally when they land and Seally is in a clear control position.). The first thing Kraisser does, is use the momentum to "scoot" himself backwards taking more of his body OB and as he does this attempts to gain a whizzer and drag Seally with him - Kraisser absolutely does not get "reaction time" in this situation because they landed partially OB with Seally in a clear, and conclusive, "control position" - Kraisser doesn't get the advantage of "reaction time" for the purpose of aiding his attempt to flee the mat. That is the point of the rule - Seally is granted an instantaneous takedown and Kraisser will get a restart if he is successful in taking the action OB as he attempts to escape.

No way should Kraisser be given "reaction time" for the sole purpose of gaining advantage to take himself further out-of-bounds - that is the whole purpose of the rule, to not give advantage to a wrestler who is simply trying to use the "reaction time" to further flee the mat area.

 

[tullfan68]

I like Grasso but they screwed that call up.

double stall is good but not called enough should have a rule wear stalling should called on one guy when 0 score after 1 period

 

[west2east]

The video clearly shows Kraisser's upper left shoulder and head landing beyond the OB stripe (Kraisser lands on his back with Seally driving him directly perpendicular to the OB line - iow, both wrestlers are more-or-less 90° to the OB stripe and Seally is driving Kraisser straight back towards OB. Kraisser lands on his back partially OB as I already described - neither of Kraissers hands or arms are engaged with Seally when they land and Seally is in a clear control position.). The first thing Kraisser does, is use the momentum to "scoot" himself backwards taking more of his body OB and as he does this attempts to gain a whizzer and drag Seally with him - Kraisser absolutely does not get "reaction time" in this situation because they landed partially OB with Seally in a clear, and conclusive, "control position" - Kraisser doesn't get the advantage of "reaction time" for the purpose of aiding his attempt to flee the mat. That is the point of the rule - Seally is granted an instantaneous takedown and Kraisser will get a restart if he is successful in taking the action OB as he attempts to escape.

No way should Kraisser be given "reaction time" for the sole purpose of gaining advantage to take himself further out-of-bounds - that is the whole purpose of the rule, to not give advantage to a wrestler who is simply trying to use the "reaction time" to further flee the mat area.

The call was he didn't have control beyond reaction time. I thought it was 3 .

 

[Biffkin]

The call was he didn't have control beyond reaction time. I thought it was 3 .

Just look where Kraissers butt and hips are when he hits the mat and where Sealeys right arm is wrapped around his back and Kaissers left arm is laying on top of Sealeys. Not engaged in the whizzer at that time. it's 3 all day.

 

[NittanyLion84]

Penn State vs Illinois Highlights

 

[west2east]

Just look where Kraissers butt and hips are when he hits the mat and where Sealeys right arm is wrapped around his back and Kaissers left arm is laying on top of Sealeys. Not engaged in the whizzer at that time. it's 3 all day.

Agree I thought it was 3 myself. I'm just relaying the message on what was called on the mat