I get what you are saying, but I'll stick with Cael gets them to peak in later March, rather than more due to the other teams doing worse at Nationals.
Future PSU Lineup discussions
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My guess for next year (tonight doesn't change it but prompts me to post)
125: LL (Desmond RS)
133: Davis
141: Blaze
149: SVN
157: Kasak (Duke RS)
165: MM (Sealey Sit)
174: Levi (Henckel/Asher RS)
184: Ryder/ Connor?
197: Barr (Connor sit)
285: Cole/ Connor?
Obviously other guys will be in the talks and who knows what happens with the portal but this is the most likely scenario I can think of.
125: LL (Desmond RS)
133: Davis
141: Blaze
149: SVN
157: Kasak (Duke RS)
165: MM (Sealey Sit)
174: Levi (Henckel/Asher RS)
184: Ryder/ Connor?
197: Barr (Connor sit)
285: Cole/ Connor?
Obviously other guys will be in the talks and who knows what happens with the portal but this is the most likely scenario I can think of.
I'm gonna throw Ono in at 133. Davis at 141. Blaze shirts.
if they pull Ono off that would be incredibleI'm gonna throw Ono in at 133. Davis at 141. Blaze shirts.
Wouldn't surprise me if they portal a heavyweight, the kid from Cambell should get med shirt.
If they do (or regardless) then I could see Mirasola's jumping ship to both get four years as starters (Not saying they are not good enough to start at all, it just currently looks like 197 is Barr's spot for the next three years)
Because we might only win NCAAs by 60 pts next year if we don't?
I don't see it. The only reason to do this is to bring a guy in to train at NLWC afterward. Who is good enough to do that? And Kerk will be there next year anyway.
I think heavyweight decision has more to do with who is left than anything. 1 and done, na. There's a handful of guys left. Mirasola may have just wrestled the preseason number 1 next year. A better long term version of who we have maybe but who is that? Mullen? Something tells me they would have recruited him harder out of hs.
I think they both are 197lb , Cole doesn't have the lower body to wrestle heavy. Conner could cut to 184 maybe.
I think Cole is likely the PSU HWT next year but what do people think happens with Connor?
Tries to wrestle off returning top 4 (my pick for NCAA champ Barr?), tries to suck down to 184 to wrestle off Ryder? Go up to HWT and wrestle off his twin brother? And if he does end up being stuck on the bench are they a package deal to transfer out? I doubt he is willing to sit around until his senior year behind Barr.
Tries to wrestle off returning top 4 (my pick for NCAA champ Barr?), tries to suck down to 184 to wrestle off Ryder? Go up to HWT and wrestle off his twin brother? And if he does end up being stuck on the bench are they a package deal to transfer out? I doubt he is willing to sit around until his senior year behind Barr.
I think people are underestimating both Mirasola’s and how much better you can get in a year. Last year at this time not a single person here thought Barr would be where he is now. He worked his ass off with the best coaches and training partners in the world and he made massive gains. Connor is going to jump levels the same way. I’m not saying he will beat Barr but I think it will be competitive. The best team for me is if one of Barr or Connor can make 184 with the other at 197. That means Ryder rides the pine for a year until Levi graduates. I just think Ryder is a 174. Cole weighed in at 222 I think I read. He can put on 15 pounds of good weight by next year and be close to 240. At 235/240 he will be an AA out of the gates. No need for a heavyweight transfer
Agree about Ryder. He could maybe hold his own at 184, but I think belongs at 174. Ryder at 184 would be like Bartlett at 149.
Well you guys are going hard after Mocco so that tells me maybe they're not sure if Cole is the future
Barr was supposed to be a 174 they had him wrestle 184 last year and now he's a 197. Ryder is a 184 and he's not a big weight cutter
Cole would be a rSR when Mocco is a rFR. I don’t think recruiting Mocco has much to do with the coach’s thoughts on Cole.
Barr is much taller and longer. He has the frame to add weight. Very different story with Ryder. He can definitely be a 184 but i see him being more successful at 174
Mocco is class of 2026 your math isn't mathing.
Next year Mocco SR Cole RS fr
Mocco RS Fr Cole RS so
I know. That’s why I said Ryder rides the pine for a year. I think if one of Barr or Connor can make 184 that’s the best lineup
Barr isn't gonna go from 197lb title contender and cut 13 lbs. And I'm not sure Connor beats Ryder at 184. Just my opinion on it
1st world problems
I thought Mocco was 2027, so my math mathing wasn’t the issue.
Regardless of which class Mocco is in, I really don’t think Cole has much impact on that recruitment. Great coaches recruit the best guys every year, no matter what.
Send Cole to the football team strength coaches for the summer. They will get some pounds on him.
Also I don’t think 174 is a weight that will magically open for Ryder in 2027. That year has SVN 149 and Kasak/Duke/MM (now 1 of Duke or Kasak could RS 2027 potentially) but I think some combo of Kasak/Duke/MM 157-174 makes the most sense for those guys and would help clear out weights going into 2028
How bout we don’t let the wrestlers anywhere near the football team? Keep them with the program that doesn’t choke every time they have a big game.
It really is the other teams issue. The narrower field allows a national 5 seed to be 2nd at Bigs, for example. They aren’t necessarily doing worse, it’s that the other competition is in other leagues.
Well we all know they go to PSU for nothing so saying that he's getting paid was pointless 🤣🤣
Keep in mind, the football team choking has nothing to do with the Strength and Conditioning program. Every year at the NFL combine, PSU guys do really well at the Underwear Olympics.
If you need your heavyweight to add good weight, why wouldn't you use all resources available on campus?
By that logic, Cael wasn't sure Kerk was the future when he pushed hard for Feldman.
Mmm, sort of a flawed comparison in my view. Barr was pretty lean in high school and had the frame to add a bunch of good weight. Ryder came to PSU already pretty thick and filled out.
And I keep harping on this, but Ryder wrestled at 79 kg at the U20 World Championships, only about 6 months ago.
Finally, not sure that Barr definitely "was supposed to be a 174". As I recall, 174 might have been a possibility, but most around here projected Barr as a 184 pounder in college.
Maybe Barr goes down to 184 if he struggles in tournament scoring against bigger guys .
The only way Barr goes to 184 is if Mirasola beats him. Mirasola is going to be very good, but Josh is winning 3 or 4 NCAA titles. At 197.
The 1st will be this year.
The Nits will have 8 wrestlers expected to make the B1G conference finals. The other to drop a semi final match.
Would it be best to wrestle Duke at 157 next year while Kasak red shirts and then Duke red shirts the following year and then takes over 165 after Mitchell graduates?
25-26
149 - SVN
157 - Kasak/Duke winner (other redshirts)
165 - MM
26-27
149 - SVN
157 - Kasak
165 - Duke
174 - MM (starting to bulk to get ready for free where you have to weigh in less)
27-28
Need a 149 (assuming Blaze doesn't get that big) and possibly a 157 depending on if Kasak redshirt in 25-26 or not. 174 as well since I think all our 2025 kids will outgrow 174 (Asher, Henckel) Sealey could fit in somewhere here if he is patient. Ryder might actually be the best option since I thin he's pretty filled out and has been for a while.
I doubt MM will go to 174 (especially in an Oly year) unless he is really struggling with the cut, which certainly doesn't seem to be the case right now. As we saw with Starocci last year, wrestling a whole season at 174 in folkstyle puts you in an awkward place of either needing a big cut right after the season for the Olympic trials or to go up a class and be really small at 86kg, so I think it will be either 165 or ORS for MM in 27-28.
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