We're in agreement. The deal was dumb
Worst trade in NBA history was just made
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Sixers didn't know abou the injury. Ruland was better than you seem to recall. No one is saying it was good but Moses wasn't a top 5 played or 25 at that time.
Last year was the healthiest he ever was. See the 3 or 4 years before that. This year he's missed a handful and left early many times.
The Kings just got twice as much for D’Aaron Fox than the Mavs got for Luka. Hilarious.
Sixers should have known about the injury. A simple X-ray would have revealed the fact his knee was shot. The Sixers started the day with Moses and the No. 1 pick and made two trades which resulted in them getting squat. You have outdid your usual stupidity and doubling and tripling down on it on this thread and that covers a tremendous amount of territory.
Lol...again I said trading the pick was incredibly dumb. You're overselling how bad the Sixers trading Moses was at the time. You're saying it was worse than trading a top 3 player in the league at the age of 25. It's not even in the same ballpark. I'm not surprised you can't see that. That's the real stupidity.
Also, ask yourself what was standard practice regarding physicals during trades back then. But you can't be wrong even though you are.
Just in case you were u aware. Ruland was coming off a season in which he averaged a double-double with 19 points a game. Robinson added 18. No one is claiming it was a great trade but you're overvaluing Moses.
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Lando you should drop this because you are very much incorrect about the Sixers medical staff blunder. It was very much expected and a routine step for Ruland to be x-rayed and thoroughly evaluated because of known health concerns. Ruland just wasn’t the same player he used to be. The blunder was so bad I vividly remember Buddy Ryan (former Eagles football coach) making public jokes about the Sixers medical staff. Also, the Sixers were vilified by the press for the blunder.
It wasn't though. Ruland wasn't the same player but with Robinson this wasn't close to the Mavs trading Luka. Just Sixers fans being closer to the situation. The Malone trade wasn't even the worst one that day. Now if we combine the two maybe we get close to Luka but this Luka deal is comparable to the Vikings trading away everything for Walker.
Not correct. As usual, the troll Lando tries to obfuscate reality ... he talks about Ruland averaging a double-double the year before being traded. What he fails to mention is that Ruland failed to play even half of the previous 2 seasons before being traded due to the wonky knee that ended his career shortly after being traded to the Sixers. He was injured 2 years prior - missed over half that season. The year before being traded, in which he "averaged a double-double," he also played in less than half the games, because that knee was a continual problem. Lando also talks about how physicals were handled back then ... yeah, when you're trading away a HOF center for a guy who has been limping around for a full season after missing half the season before that because of that same knee, you get the knee checked out before acquiring him. Even back then. He was known to be damaged goods. It wasn't some acute injury that everyone thought he'd recovered from, and he'd been playing healthy since recovering - it was a known ongoing issue.
And while Philly traded for an upgrade at forward (they also traded away Catledge), they also included two 1st round picks.
So, for a slight upgrade at PF, they traded away a HOF center who was still performing at a high level and two 1st round draft picks for a known damaged commodity who they never properly evaluated, and who, shockingly, never contributed anything for them.
That said, Philly also fleeced the Rockets to get Moses in the first place, so it all kinda evened out for them ... except they were able to get a Championship with Moses in the interim.
Yeah, Ruland missed time. Never said he wasn't dealing with injuries. But at least you acknowledge he averaged a double-double
They didn't just "trade him for a guy limping" around--Robinson was part of the deal. But at least you acknowledge I was right about about the physicals. Teams take risks. This one didn't pay off.
Again, no one is saying this was a great deal or even a decent one for the Sixers--it was a horrible trade. Just not "the worst trade ever"
I loved the NBA back in the day - late 70s into the mid 90s. My viewership declined progressively and i haven't watched a game since Tim Duncan retired as, IMO, any concept of team went right out the door with him.
Current Spurs are fun with watch with Wemby (he seems like great kid) and now with Fox they’re electric.
San Antonio has also been my favorite NBA team going back to David Robinson in the early 90’s.
The game was definitely better in that era...I did enjoy the playoffs last year for the first time in a long time.
It sounds like Luka has continued to gain weight and as a guard, that puts a lot of strain on his lower body. the Mavs are concerned as Luka has missed time this year as well as having an attitude about it. (how you can gain weight as a BBall player is beyond me considering the calories they expend playing). Then add in that his cap hit is $43m per year. The Mavs feel that they'd be paying a guy $50m a year to rehab all the time. They cut bait. We'll see if it is a wakeup call for Luka and if the Mavs have any chance of going deep into the playoffs with Davis and Kyrie.
What does this have to do with the topic of the relative quality of this trade?
We don't walk in to your Who's Your Favorite Real Housewife or your Bronies Are Misunderstood threads to tell you we're not interested.
Or 7 lol
The Nets would have given them their entire stockpile of picks
I get that they wanted Davis to try to win now but...that team, as isn't, won't beat Boston (for example)
Agree. But those picks will take at least four years to develop. Look at the Cavs
- Garland, age 25, in his sixth year
- Mitchell, 28, 8th year
- Strus, 28, 6th year
- Mobley, 23, 4th year
- Allen, 26, 9th year
I disagree with you 150%. There are exceptions at the top of the draft. A few that come to mind are Banchero and Wembenyana. But most take several years. and when you get down to 10+, it is even worse.
I put up the Cavs who have had high first round picks for several years. Today, they have the best record in the NBA. But all of them had to mature physically and mentally. In fact, the jury is still out if they can handle the pressure in a playoff game in the semifinals. Most NBA players pucker up until they learn how to handle that pressure. Go ahead and amass a lot of first round picks, it will be 4 to 5 before you challenge for having the best record in the conference and another two before you challenge for an NBA championship. need more evidence? The champs are the Boston Celtics.
- Tatum, age 26
- Jaylen Brown, age 29
- Al Horford, age 39
- Jrue Holiday, age 35
- Derrick White, age 31
- Kristaps Porzingis, age 30
- Sam Hauser, age 28
- Payton Pritchard, age 27
I don't know, man. Trading a top 5 NBA player (who just carried you to a Finals) for an aging 31 year old big that has had the injury bug his whole career?
Luka could drink a beer on the bench every game for all I care about his conditioning. The Mavs GM is gone in 2 years max, one of the dumbest decisions in sports front offices ever.
On the flip side, if conditioning is the true problem - JJ Redick and Luka are close friends from JJ's time in Dallas as a player. I'd imagine they see his leadership + Lebron's longevity as the keys to fixing Luka's "conditioning issue."
Yep....just relaying the messaging. My home office is in Dallas and they think they have the best front line in the NBA now with Kyrie out front. I am not buying it. I am more along the lines of it being horrible for Dallas. But it is pretty clear that there has been some kind of falling out between Luka and the Mavs. The good news for the lakers is that they have no salary cap. They will pay whatever. And it is hoped that James can provide enough leadership to get Luka pissed at the Mavs to get the two of them to go deep into the playoffs this year before Lebron's body wears out.
Another one was Glenn Robinson for Jamaal Mashburn. Both players were stiffs. The reason that was a HORRIBLE deal was the 76ers traded a stiff with an expiring contract for an injured stiff who could not play but had 2 or 3 more years on his deal. When you have two stiffs you want the stiff with the shortest term deal. Billy King was just dumb.
Billy KIng could not manage a Ritas Water Ice. He would give the girl at the counter 400k a summer and a guaranteed 5 year deal.
Honestly--was the Malone trade even one of the 3 worst involving the Sixers
Barkley to the Suns
Dr J to the Sixers
Chamberlain to the Lakers
Hell Andrew Bynum might be worse
It's honestly impressive how many lopsided trades (some they won/many they lost) Philly has been involved in
Barkley to the Suns
Dr J to the Sixers
Chamberlain to the Lakers
Hell Andrew Bynum might be worse
It's honestly impressive how many lopsided trades (some they won/many they lost) Philly has been involved in
The worst trade in NBA history was Kareem Abdul-Jabbar from Milwaukee to the Lakers in the mid-70s.
But at least back then the Bucks had the excuse that Kareem wanted out. Dallas can't fall back on that.
Plus the Bucks didn't get anyone nearly as good as Davis in the bargain they made. So their trade of Kareem was a lot worse than the one under discussion in this thread.
But at least back then the Bucks had the excuse that Kareem wanted out. Dallas can't fall back on that.
Plus the Bucks didn't get anyone nearly as good as Davis in the bargain they made. So their trade of Kareem was a lot worse than the one under discussion in this thread.
My point is I find it hard to believe that anyone cares enough about the NBA to even analyze the quality of a trade, no matter what players/teams are involved.
Doncic plays no defense. If he was not resigning with Dallas then getting AD for him is not terrible. That Sixers trade was a debacle and way worse.
In the '60's there were players who would actually smoke cigs during timeouts, between quarters and at halftime.
I think that the motivation for some players diminishes once they've been guaranteed paid. I don't know if that is applicable with Doncic, but I've witnessed it in other sports.
When the Pittsburgh Steelers defeated the Arizona Cardinals in the Super Bowl, James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley were a devastating pass rushing duo for the Steelers. After the season, Woodley was awarded a handsome contract and bonus for his efforts.
He came in to camp the next year out of shape. Subsequently, he was often injured and was never the player that he was before getting paid.
Regardless of what any of us thinks, the history of how this trade plays out will determine its position in the annals of blockbuster trades in NBA history.
ETA: Did anyone mention the Wilt Chamberlain trade from the Sixers to the Lakers?
The Sixers got Archie Clark, Jerry Chambers and Darell Imhoff. The trade was made in '68. By 'the 72-73 season the Sixers record was 9-73 while the Lakers were competing for and winning NBA titles during that same time frame.
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I've been watching the Cavs. Like the way they play team ball. And it seems like they don't have a lot of egos on the team.
And the press thought they were ripping on him when the called him Mr. Fundamental!!!
Untrustworthy mainstream media! I loved watching TD play. He truly was so good wrt fundamentals. Miss his shots off the glass, always being in place on D, etc, etc.
Agreed. Selfless guys who did what it took. Cavs have two big guys in Evan Mobley and Jarret Allen. We'll see if they have the playoff toughness come June.
My point is the current NBA, in my opinion, is a heaping pile of $hit. Can't make it any simpler.
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