Wrestle-Offs - PSU & Other National Contenders

[Dogwelder]

There's a big difference between expressing opinions and stating nasty, unverifiable rumors as fact.

I agree that "nasty" insider information or insider opinions should not be posted.

I would avoid obscuring the easy "nasty" rule by distractingly talking about "verifiability" or factualness. The reason is that even if an insider knows that a fact or opinion is 100% true, that insider *still* should not post that fact or opinion on a public forum if it is "dirty laundry"--i.e., if even one team member or recruit would consider that fact or opinion to be private.

Our two biggest insider tippers, Ames and Doe, have given solid information, but both have also violated the team's trust in them. Ames by stealing Hall's thunder on his verbal, and Doe in this thread by revealing alleged internal conflicts. By doing so, they make the team look bad because now people know that the team has loose lipped people who don't respect privacy.

When I put together a team for a project, I would *never* hire guys who feel an urge to behave as Ames and Doe have done.

 

[BruceK-PSU83]

I actually believe he will increase his bonus points. Bo looked tired in the 3/rd period at 174 which is not unusual when a tough cut is constantly required. I would expect a fresher Bo in the last minute which should make those 4-6 point wins 8-9 point wins. Time will tell. Q,DT,Ruth,Zain,etc. have moved up with strong results. I believe Bo is in this talent vein and will do quite well.

That is a good point. There were of number of matches last season where Nickal appeared to tire in the 3rd period. The bump up might help in that regard. Also, Nickal was on the lean side at 174. In a few recent photos that I've seen (with Bo in street clothes), he looks pretty good with the additional weight.

 

[LemonPie]

Zain 5th, Bo 2nd.

Both moved up for freestyle

Cutch 2X DNP

 

[tikk10]

I agree that "nasty" insider information or insider opinions should not be posted.

I would avoid obscuring the easy "nasty" rule by distractingly talking about "verifiability" or factualness. The reason is that even if an insider knows that a fact or opinion is 100% true, that insider *still* should not post that fact or opinion on a public forum if it is "dirty laundry"--i.e., if even one team member or recruit would consider that fact or opinion to be private.

Our two biggest insider tippers, Ames and Doe, have given solid information, but both have also violated the team's trust in them. Ames by stealing Hall's thunder on his verbal, and Doe in this thread by revealing alleged internal conflicts. By doing so, they make the team look bad because now people know that the team has loose lipped people who don't respect privacy.

When I put together a team for a project, I would *never* hire guys who feel an urge to behave as Ames and Doe have done.

Further to this good sense, I'd add a reason dirty laundry rumors don't belong on msg boards is that no one here can possibly add anything meaningful to say because we're all at an information deficit. We can't assess accuracy and we can't assess potential bias. There's just no way to respond to it intelligently.

Agree too about violated trust, I'd be pretty ticked off if I'm one of the coaches.

 

[nitlion6]

Just my take.
Do I think Bo wins as many matches at nationals as he did last year. Yes. Winning that extra match will be rather difficult but I believe Bo gets that extra NCAA victory.

Certainly no where near an insider. However I was in the room this week and there certainly does not appear to be any upset coaches as far as Bo going 184. I also noticed nothing resembling tension, nor distractions.

I was caught wondering. A 90/10 split? That's pretty near unanimous.

 

[Bob_Anderson]

Guys like Spyker and John Doe have given us some valuable information in the past. They are also entitled to their opinion. You don't have to accept it.

Spyker? you're joking right?

 

[BruceK-PSU83]

Spyker? you're joking right?

Yeah, I saw that too. LOL.

 

[a_mshaffer]

maybe, just maybe Bo can't make 174. He wasn't looking a bit winded in the 3rd period last year...

Bo could have at least certified at 174, just in case there was an injury or something unexpected happened down the road.

Bo could have at least certified at 174, just in case there was an injury or something unexpected happened down the road.

 

[PapaBearSLIM]

I'm confused.
Aren't JD and A2A the same mole?
Is there a division among the PSU wrestlers or PSU posters?
And instead of 90/10, wouldn't said division be more accurately stated as 83/17?

 

[SRATH]

I wonder who else certified at only one weight?

Can't wait to get started.

 

[El-Jefe]

I'm confused.
Aren't JD and A2A the same mole?
Is there a division among the PSU wrestlers or PSU posters?
And instead of 90/10, wouldn't said division be more accurately stated as 83/17?

Did Jammen hack into Papa's account?

 

[Real-Lion]

Spyker? you're joking right?

Thanks Dung....Try to make it to practice as much as possible....

 

[meluvwrestling]

Why not have him face one of the 133 backups? It's not like this is really wrestleoffs -- whoever wins the 133 and 285 matches will not start.

Rodriguez working on descending to 125# is more important than worrying about a meaningless wrestle off.

 

[PapaBearSLIM]

Did Jammen hack into Papa's account?

Nah, trying to bring levity in light of a civil war.

 

[PapaBearSLIM]

Rodriguez working on descending to 125# is more important than worrying about a meaningless wrestle off.

Would wrestling a 7 minute match hinder his progress to 125?

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Nah, trying to bring levity in light of a civil war.

In the South they would call it the War of Insider Aggression

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

Would wrestling a 7 minute match hinder his progress to 125?

It's a weigh in

 

[PapaBearSLIM]

It's a weigh in

Do wrestle offs (especially when not really wrestling off for a spot) have to use official weigh ins?

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

Do wrestle offs (especially when not really wrestling off for a spot) have to use official weigh ins?

There's an official referee and its open to the public I'd guess so

 

[PapaBearSLIM]

There's an official referee and its open to the public I'd guess so

gotcha

 

[nitlion6]

There's an official referee and its open to the public I'd guess so

There might be a referee and public attendance but it isn't an official competition so weights and weigh-in requirements are up to the coaches. I have no idea how it would apply to the descending schedule though.

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

There might be a referee and public attendance but it isn't an official competition so weights and weigh-in requirements are up to the coaches. I have no idea how it would apply to the descending schedule though.

You're only allowed 2 pounds per week if I'm not mistaken. I mentioned the weigh in because he'd have to focus on what ever it was they'd have him weigh in at instead of getting down

 

[NoVa Lion]

You're only allowed 2 pounds per week if I'm not mistaken. I mentioned the weigh in because he'd have to focus on what ever it was they'd have him weigh in at instead of getting down

1.5% of your weigh-in weight per week. However, wrestle offs would not count as an official weigh-in. No different than weighing yourself before practice, or after practice for that matter.

 

[mike tognetti]

Just my take.
Do I think Bo wins as many matches at nationals as he did last year. Yes. Winning that extra match will be rather difficult but I believe Bo gets that extra NCAA victory.

Certainly no where near an insider. However I was in the room this week and there certainly does not appear to be any upset coaches as far as Bo going 184. I also noticed nothing resembling tension, nor distractions.

I was caught wondering. A 90/10 split? That's pretty near unanimous.

I heard from Mark Hall that it was 83/16 split, Cael (1%) was undecided. Cael keep yelling "lets play dodgeball". Happy Valley is no longer happy. Recruits are taking notice, the beginning of the fall of Rome!

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

I heard from Mark Hall that it was 83/16 split, Cael (1%) was undecided. Cael keep yelling "lets play dodgeball". Happy Valley is no longer happy. Recruits are taking notice, the beginning of the fall of Rome!

The zen master can fix it

 

[PapaBearSLIM]

1.5% of your weigh-in weight per week. However, wrestle offs would not count as an official weigh-in. No different than weighing yourself before practice, or after practice for that matter.

So participating in the wrestleoffs would not effect his descent plan?

 

[mike tognetti]

The zen master can fix it

He can't even get his wrestler to cert 174/184. Doesn't hurt to do it, just a few # on a piece of paper. Lets change the subject, dodgeball anybody? The new leader of the team

 

[Lyco1990]

He can't even get his wrestler to cert 174/184. Doesn't hurt to do it, just a few # on a piece of paper. Lets change the subject, dodgeball anybody? The new leader of the team re

Mikey, still waiting for payment (pic)

 

[NoVa Lion]

So participating in the wrestleoffs would not effect his descent plan?

I don't see why it would.

 

[RoarLions1]

Any descent plan keys off the initial certification. If a wrestler is not at his weight class, but certified there, he must follow the descent plan rules. Here's a couple points;
-- The NWCA Database will spit out the earliest date a wrestler can be at their weight class, applying the 1.5% per week rule.
-- No wrestler can EVER be below 5% body fat.
-- A weigh-in shall occur every 7 days during the descent, and that weight entered into the NWCA Database as evidence of appropriate weight loss. Must be managed by a medical professional.
-- A wrestler MUST be at their weight class by February 15th. If they are descending this late in the season and are not at their weight class, they forfeit the right to wrestle at the targeted weight class for their conference tournament and NCAA's.

Oh, and I'm back from my amazing vacation, and can again contribute to the forum. Bitter-sweet to be back, though.

 

[mike tognetti]

Mikey, still waiting for payment (pic)

This coming weekend in Stilly, pictures following. Can't wait to play some dodgeball with the OSU family! John's having a back in town party for Mikey T, they sure miss me up there. Any question you want me to ask John?

 

[Lyco1990]

Nah, just tell him I said hi. Lol

 

[Lyco1990]

This is going to be a fun year Mike. Hope you can buy me a beer at the Irish Pub in St Louis in March.

 

[ZepGraffiti]

This coming weekend in Stilly, pictures following. Can't wait to play some dodgeball with the OSU family! John's having a back in town party for Mikey T, they sure miss me up there. Any question you want me to ask John?

"Why is everyone throwing at my head?"

 

[slushhead]

"Why is people throwing at my head?"

FIFY

 

[nitlion6]

This coming weekend in Stilly, pictures following. Can't wait to play some dodgeball with the OSU family! John's having a back in town party for Mikey T, they sure miss me up there. Any question you want me to ask John?

Can you ask him what the plan is for a high second place team finish?

 

[mike tognetti]

Can you ask him what the plan is for a high second place team finish?

I agree, sure hope tOSU doesn't sneak by us and take the title!

 

[mike tognetti]

This is going to be a fun year Mike. Hope you can buy me a beer at the Irish Pub in St Louis in March.

I'll be there and buy you two!

 

[purescurve]

I'll be there and buy you two!

Lyco, if you shake mikey's hand after the beers make sure you still have your watch and rings upon leaving. just sayin

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Lyco, if you shake mikey's hand after the beers make sure you still have your watch and rings upon leaving. just sayin

He will gladly buy you 2 beers tomorrow for a single beer today.