Wrestling & Football Scholarships

[CoastFan]

An example from years ago when Miami was still in The Big East Conference makes the point that football gets the counter when a scholarship athlete plays multiple sports.

During a Big East indoor conference track and field championship, Miami sprinters finished 1, 2 and 3 in 60 meter dash. Those guys also happened to be football players. That’s where “Da U” had to count them. If they were able to do so, I sure Miami would have loved to put all of their football guys who also happened to be excellent track guys on track scholarships so they could fill out the 85 football scholarships with more players.

 

[NoVa Lion]

An example from years ago when Miami was still in The Big East Conference makes the point that football gets the counter when a scholarship athlete plays multiple sports.

During a Big East indoor conference track and field championship, Miami sprinters finished 1, 2 and 3 in 60 meter dash. Those guys also happened to be football players. That’s where “Da U” had to count them. If they were able to do so, I sure Miami would have loved to put all of their football guys who also happened to be excellent track guys on track scholarships so they could fill out the 85 football scholarships with more players.

And schools used to do that on a regular basis, hence the rule.

 

[CowboyUp61]

With only 12.6 scholarships for track and field (including cross country) most track coaches probably would not be able to offer the football players enough to get them signed.

 

[NoVa Lion]

With only 12.6 scholarships for track and field (including cross country) most track coaches probably would not be able to offer the football players enough to get them signed.

That's today, but prior to 1973 when the NCAA split up into Divisions I, II, and III there were no scholarship limits on any sport. After that there were limits but the numbers were much higher than today and football and bball had plenty of "pull" to get the track (or other sport) coaches to offer ships to kids they wanted.

 

[CowboyUp61]

That's today, but prior to 1973 when the NCAA split up into Divisions I, II, and III there were no scholarship limits on any sport. After that there were limits but the numbers were much higher than today and football and bball had plenty of "pull" to get the track (or other sport) coaches to offer ships to kids they wanted.

Heck, NoVa, I was 11 then! But, I do remember there being a bit of a fuss when the limits came on. I think it was like 110 originally, and the stated purpose was to free up money for title 9. I think there have been 2 drops since, down to the current 85.

Question-did wrestling do the same thing? I know there used to be 11, but don't remember before that point.

 

[NoVa Lion]

Heck, NoVa, I was 11 then! But, I do remember there being a bit of a fuss when the limits came on. I think it was like 110 originally, and the stated purpose was to free up money for title 9. I think there have been 2 drops since, down to the current 85.

Question-did wrestling do the same thing? I know there used to be 11, but don't remember before that point.

I don;t remember the whole history but in the early 90s there was an across the board cut of 10%, which where the odd numbers came from. Wrestling was 11 and a 10% cut left us with 9.9. The other thing I remember was the age limits. In the 70s (when Olympic athletes were supposed to be amateurs and so couldn't get paid) schools would go after older foreign athletes in the non revenue sports. UTEP won a number of NCAA cross country titles using mostly African athletes in their mid to upper 20s who were world class runners, but couldn't make any money off their ability. They could, however, get a college education in the US.

 

[androcles]

...I can remember a time when wrestling had 19 full rides...in the last century...

 

[CowboyUp61]

...I can remember a time when wrestling had 19 full rides...in the last century...

year? I skimmed google, couldn't find any info.

 

[PSU_Nut]

There is no rule that the scholarship only counts if you play in a game. If anyone says that they are just making things up and are full of it.

 

[RoarLions1]

Heck, NoVa, I was 11 then! But, I do remember there being a bit of a fuss when the limits came on. I think it was like 110 originally, and the stated purpose was to free up money for title 9. I think there have been 2 drops since, down to the current 85.

Question-did wrestling do the same thing? I know there used to be 11, but don't remember before that point.

From no scholarship limit to 105 in 1973, right after the 1972 passing of Title IX, to 95 in 1978, then the current 85 in 1992 for Division 1. The cut in 1992 affected all sports, and is where the 10% reduction for equivalency sports occurred. Headcount sports (not just football), were affected too, but the math doesn't work out to exactly 10%, as it's always whole numbers.

 

[CowboyUp61]

From no scholarship limit to 105 in 1973, right after the 1972 passing of Title IX, to 95 in 1978, then the current 85 in 1992 for Division 1. The cut in 1992 affected all sports, and is where the 10% reduction for equivalency sports occurred. Headcount sports (not just football), were affected too, but the math doesn't work out to exactly 10%, as it's always whole numbers.

Thanks Roar. Memory failed me, and somehow campus switched to yahoo search, which basically sucks.