Pretty young to have CTE.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/parents-tyler-hilinski-cte-committed-suicide-124846146.html
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/parents-tyler-hilinski-cte-committed-suicide-124846146.html
WSU QB Tyler Hilinski had CTE
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These results are tough to accept and rather disturbing.
I wonder, besides concussions what other contributing factors cause CTE?
If Stage 1 = 65 year old brain then what is stage 2 and three?
Etc.
This is his parents saying what a doctor told them. Would like to see an actual report.
Poor kid. Terrible for the parents.
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I wonder, besides concussions what other contributing factors cause CTE?
If Stage 1 = 65 year old brain then what is stage 2 and three?
Etc.
This is his parents saying what a doctor told them. Would like to see an actual report.
Poor kid. Terrible for the parents.
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I am at the point where I would never let my kid play football as a youth. If a player is athletic enough to be an NFL player he can always come later to the game.
Very sad. Just another example of why football is fighting a losing battle.
I am surprised that someone is surprised by this anymore. The report last year said something like 95+% of NFL players they had examined had CTE, and down to around 50% for HS players. I know the cases examined are mostly the worst ones (suicides, early deaths, etc.) but 95+% for anything is crazy.
You are correct. Another reason why Penn State should not spend $200M-$600M on a shiny new/renovated stadium. College football and football in general will be much different in 10+ years, if not sooner. With that may come less interest in the game, especially in person.
yep- "you don't need to be a weather man to see which way the wind blows"
I give the sport as we know it 20 years- tops
That report was not a valid statistical sample. They are looking at people who donate their brains, the brains are being donated in almost every case because the individual was having problems.
Possibly there are other causes of CTE that we do not know about.
The #2 and #3 sports for the frequency of concussion are women's soccer and women's lacrosse. There is at least one women's soccer player from the famous Brandi Chastian World Cup team that exhibit the same problems that the former NFL players CTE have.
Bottom line and this is something we already know, banging your head repeatedly on something or getting hit in the head repeatedly is most likely not good for your brain, especially a developing brain.
We need better head protection equipment in all sports. We need better rules in sports, such as raising the age for tackle football, raising the age for heading a soccer ball (this is being done), etc. Fortunately concussion awareness and treatment is improving.
I think the "especially in person" part is a lock. I'm impressed some stadiums remain packed with the quality of the graphics available these days. Is it worth the money to attend? Especially those that travel. As time goes on I think less and less people will be willing. JMO
I’ve had at least 9 concussions that I know about because they were diagnosed. 3 were the worst possible. Only 1 from sports. Catching a fly ball in left field playing baseball. Fell onto the top of the fence just as I caught it. Only 4 foot high fence and metal pipe.
Can I ask if you feel you have any health issues from these today? One of my boys had four, only one from football and I always wonder if he will have long term issues.
This is true. Until they test the brains of former football players who die of other causes, there is no way to tie CTE to football related head trauma. There are so many health issues that were assumed to be caused by X that turned out to be not the case at all.
Cholesterol -- Don't eat eggs, use margarine instead of butter, vegetable oil instead of lard. It all turned out to be nonsense.
Fat -- Consuming fat causes obesity. Wrong. Too many carbs causes obesity among many other health issues. Carbs could also be causing other health issues as there is now some evidence that carbs are being tied to depression, Parkinson's and Alzheimer's.
So what causes CTE? Maybe head trauma. Or maybe the diets (supplements???) this type of athlete consumes? I'd love to see more actual scientific evidence instead of jumping to conclusions.
I agree. Tailgating is great but that aside watching at home is way better in every way. If I was still 20 and enjoyed the noise and crowds perhaps I'd feel differently.
1. You see every play way better, including replays.
2. Food and drink are relatively cheap and 20 feet away in the fridge with no line to wait in.
3. The bathroom is 25 feet away with no line to wait in and it's not dirty and disgusting.
4. It's always 70 degrees and rain or snow never falls on your head.
5. You're sitting on a comfy easy chair instead of a piece of metal.
6. People don't stand in front of you or try to squeeze past you.
7. After the game ends the time until you're back at home is 0 hours, 0 minutes and 0 seconds.
8. It's way cheaper.
Am I missing anything?
The reason I don't use my season tickets anymore (someone buys them from me at cost) is because it became an all weekend event. Friday night spent prepping. Get up before the sun on saturday to drive up, tailgate, go to the game. Drive home after the game and basically go to sleep. Spend Sunday cleaning everything and getting it ready for the next game. Too much effort. If I had a motorhome or someone who just wanted to go to the game without the tailgating, I might change my mind.
Also, hockey came along and I got season tickets to their games too. I don't have the time to drive up from Mount Joy that many times in the fall.
Agree 100%. I still like going to a couple of games a year against at least a team with a pulse and not a night game and if it matches with former college friends schedules.
Other than that, no way I make the 6 hour round trip to PSU 6 to 8 times a year.
Any stadium plans should strongly consider downsizing, the long term trend will be lower attendance...too many advantages to watching at home.
I watch plenty of sports on TV. Almost every day I watch sports. But there are only a half a dozen times I get to watch game in the Beav.
And they are more fun and less expensive than NFL games.
I could sit on my couch and watch the travel channel too but it’s not the same as actually traveling somewhere.
It’s all about the experience.
But different strokes for different folks.
And they are more fun and less expensive than NFL games.
I could sit on my couch and watch the travel channel too but it’s not the same as actually traveling somewhere.
It’s all about the experience.
But different strokes for different folks.
Better yet, start testing brains of random people that die who have never played football. Obviously the advances and awareness in head injuries is a great thing and should be continued. But it's way too early on to be able to definitely say there's a direct link between football and CTE.
Completely agree with Jeff.
In terms of the statements that football will only be around for 20 more years, I am not so sure. I do think that the percentage of youth signing up to play football will continue to decline for the next few decades but I also think the above statements are discounting the preventative measures that will be taken for player safety. When it comes down to it, the NFL and NCAA football are massive revenue sources and drastic measures will be taken to ensure these revenue streams keep on churning. Unfortunately, up until now, these measures have involved covering up facts that have an enormous negative impact on player health but I think we will start seeing large efforts to positively impact player health. Right now I see this occurring in three different branches. 1) slight modifications to the rules and tackling techniques to reduce head/neck injuries (this has already been a heavy focus and we will continue to see changes). 2) advances in helmet and other padding technology (also something that has been a heavy focus but something that can continue to improve through advances in bio-mechanics research and material science research). 3) large amounts of money poured into research institutions and foundations to help investigate the causes of CTE, what makes certain players more susceptible to the disease, and possible treatments for the disease.
The fact of the matter is that we do not know the first thing about how repetitive, sub-concussive blows to the head lead to pathology in the brain that is reminiscent of an elderly person. But if we can begin to understand this process then we can begin testing potential therapeutics that could help heal the brain. I do not envision such a treatment being around for at least the next 20 years but what I do envision is a day beyond that when athletes can play football without having to worry about their brains completely deteriorating because effective therapies for brain injuries are commonplace.
So the bottom-line is yeah football is going to suffer in the next few decades, but I do not think football will ever go away. And it's all about the $$$
In terms of the statements that football will only be around for 20 more years, I am not so sure. I do think that the percentage of youth signing up to play football will continue to decline for the next few decades but I also think the above statements are discounting the preventative measures that will be taken for player safety. When it comes down to it, the NFL and NCAA football are massive revenue sources and drastic measures will be taken to ensure these revenue streams keep on churning. Unfortunately, up until now, these measures have involved covering up facts that have an enormous negative impact on player health but I think we will start seeing large efforts to positively impact player health. Right now I see this occurring in three different branches. 1) slight modifications to the rules and tackling techniques to reduce head/neck injuries (this has already been a heavy focus and we will continue to see changes). 2) advances in helmet and other padding technology (also something that has been a heavy focus but something that can continue to improve through advances in bio-mechanics research and material science research). 3) large amounts of money poured into research institutions and foundations to help investigate the causes of CTE, what makes certain players more susceptible to the disease, and possible treatments for the disease.
The fact of the matter is that we do not know the first thing about how repetitive, sub-concussive blows to the head lead to pathology in the brain that is reminiscent of an elderly person. But if we can begin to understand this process then we can begin testing potential therapeutics that could help heal the brain. I do not envision such a treatment being around for at least the next 20 years but what I do envision is a day beyond that when athletes can play football without having to worry about their brains completely deteriorating because effective therapies for brain injuries are commonplace.
So the bottom-line is yeah football is going to suffer in the next few decades, but I do not think football will ever go away. And it's all about the $$$
Local NFL games are definitely cheaper than spending a night or 2 in State College to attend a Penn State game...check hotel rates sometimes. I don't believe the experience of watching Penn State play anyone other than Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Michigan State, etc is worth the cost. Watching us blow out bad teams is hard "an experience" but to each their own
I live close enough that I don’t have to stay in SC but you could stay in a surrounding town at a reasonable rate. And you are comparing apples to oranges, if you stay overnight in Pittsburgh for an NFL game it is significantly more expensive.
As for the games, I enjoy them all more than watching on tv. You see more of the game, tv focuses too much on the ball. Plus I record the home games so I get the best of both worlds.
Headaches and I’m 55 now. Short term memory is getting really bad. Besides that I feel ok.
For most games I agree, but occasionally the experience of the atmosphere is worth it. Nebraska '02, Ohio State '05 come to mind. My favorite sporting event I've ever attended was the Pirates first playoff game in 20+ years back in '13. And the atmosphere made it incredible, there's no way TV couldve felt like that did.
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