You guys belong in the playoff

[DCBUCK84]

Outside of Bama, no team is playing better than PSU right now. Washington proved they were pretenders when they faced USC. They are simply too small up front to compete with the big boys IMO.

I get that the 39 point loss to Michigan still lingers in the Committee's mind, but you are a completely different team since that game.

If it was me, I would rank it like this.

1) Bama
2) Clemson
3) OSU
4) PSU

Unfortunately, I see the Committee putting Washington in at #4, which is a mistake.

 

[aquapong]

I don't think we'll get in. If we hadn't lost to Pitt or we had lost a close one to Michigan, I think we'd have an argument. I'm happy with having an unexpected good season and going to the Rose Bowl.

 

[PSU-Knocker]

Thank you, Buck, for taking the time and have the courtesy to come here to express that sentiment. Much appreciated and a class act.

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

Outside of Bama, no team is playing better than PSU right now. Washington proved they were pretenders when they faced USC. They are simply too small up front to compete with the big boys IMO.

I get that the 39 point loss to Michigan still lingers in the Committee's mind, but you are a completely different team since that game.

If it was me, I would rank it like this.

1) Bama
2) Clemson
3) OSU
4) PSU

Unfortunately, I see the Committee putting Washington in at #4, which is a mistake.

How about:
1) Bama
2) PSU
3) Clemson
4) Washington

All due respect to your buckeyes, but they couldn't even win their own division, let alone conference, and they haven't played particularly well down the stretch (minus a pair of blow-outs vs a conference bottom-feeder and a neutered Husker team). At some point if CFB is ever going to become a legitimate sport - not a beauty pageant - results ON THE FIELD have to become THE ONLY thing that matters to win a championship.

 

[TN Lion]

How about:
1) Bama
2) PSU
3) Clemson
4) Washington

All due respect to your buckeyes, but they couldn't even win their own division, let alone conference, and they haven't played particularly well down the stretch (minus a pair of blow-outs vs a conference bottom-feeder and a neutered Husker team). At some point if CFB is ever going to become a legitimate sport - not a beauty pageant - results ON THE FIELD have to become THE ONLY thing that matters to win a championship.

Why do posters like you have to do this stuff. Guy comes here and pays PSU a nice compliment and you reply with dismissing his team. Understand your point but how about save it for another thread, just maybe.

 

[fairfaxlion2]

If we had just completed the comeback against Pitt we'd be a lock.

 

[Mixolydian]

Why do posters like you have to do this stuff. Guy comes here and pays PSU a nice compliment and you reply with dismissing his team. Understand your point but how about save it for another thread, just maybe.

Player respectfully gave his opinion and defended it after the buckeye gave his. WTF?

 

[DCBUCK84]

How about:
1) Bama
2) PSU
3) Clemson
4) Washington

All due respect to your buckeyes, but they couldn't even win their own division, let alone conference, and they haven't played particularly well down the stretch (minus a pair of blow-outs vs a conference bottom-feeder and a neutered Husker team). At some point if CFB is ever going to become a legitimate sport - not a beauty pageant - results ON THE FIELD have to become THE ONLY thing that matters to win a championship.

I don't think OSU's position is in jeopardy based on last weeks rankings. By putting OSU at #2 and PSU at #7, the Committee strenuously made a statement that the two teams were not comparable in terms of resume.

I get that OSU is not officially conference champions, but it's hard to leave out a team that has three top 10 wins, with their only loss against the Big 10 champion at arguably the toughest place to play in America.

Its difficult to justify moving OSU out of the playoffs after just beating Michigan, who was #3 at the time.

 

[Mixolydian]

I don't think OSU's position is in jeopardy based on last weeks rankings. By putting OSU at #2 and PSU at #7, the Committee strenuously made a statement that the two teams were not comparable in terms of resume.

I get that OSU is not officially conference champions, but it's hard to leave out a team that has three top 10 wins, with their only loss against the Big 10 champion at arguably the toughest place to play in America.

Its difficult to assert moving OSU out of the playoffs after just beating Michigan, who was #3 at the time.

Not "officially" conference champions? So what are they unofficial champions?

 

[colt21]

I don't think OSU's position is in jeopardy based on last weeks rankings. By putting OSU at #2 and PSU at #7, the Committee strenuously made a statement that the two teams were not comparable in terms of resume.

I get that OSU is not officially conference champions, but it's hard to leave out a team that has three top 10 wins, with their only loss against the Big 10 champion at arguably the toughest place to play in America.

Its difficult to justify moving OSU out of the playoffs after just beating Michigan, who was #3 at the time.

I don't think it should be all that difficult but we'll see
Personally I don't think they should be in

However IF they are in they should at least be seeded at #4 as a non-conf champ

 

[DCBUCK84]

Not "officially" conference champions? So what are they unofficial champions?

They are neither. I am merely stating that a conference championship should not be the lone factor in deciding the playoff seeds.

Hypothetical question. Would you put Virginia Tech in the playoffs had they beaten Clemson last night? That would make them ACC champions.

Conference championships are important but you have to look at the big picture.

 

[Mixolydian]

They are neither. I am merely stating that a conference championship should not be the lone factor in deciding the playoff seeds.

Hypothetical question. Would you put Virginia Tech in the playoffs had they beaten Clemson last night? That would make them ACC champions.

Conference championships are important but you have to look at the big picture.

Stick the "big picture" up your giggy. Name one other place in sports of any type, level, gender, etc. where the team that wins their division, conference, league, etc. does not get to compete for the sport's championship, while the team that finishes second/third does? Maybe you can think of one. I can't.

"If you don't win your conference, you shouldn't be playing for a National Championship". - Urban Meyer -

 

[Nittlion46]

Thank you Buck ..... be well friend !

 

[fairfaxlion2]

Ohio State is getting in because their coach is Urban Meyer. Nothing wrong with that -- he's proven himself over and over again. But let's be honest - they don't play like the #2 team in the country and actually seemed to be getting worse as the season went on.

 

[AvgUser]

Conference championships are important but you have to look at the big picture.

OSU lost head to head to the Conference champ. THat's all you really need to know. THey had a chance and they blew it.

 

[PennState_one]

Unfortunately, I think the loss column is all that matters to the committee. They can say what they want, but may as well schedule powder puffs and just go undefeated. That's only if they don't go to the 8 team playoff. With the 8 team, it would benefit you to schedule tough games for seeding purposes.

I believe all this is just hype and it will still be:

1: Alabama
2: Ohio State
3: Clemson
4: Washington

LOSSES MATTER, but I'm still extremely impressed with the way PSU unexpectedly came out swinging this season.

 

[YorkCoLion]

Outside of Bama, no team is playing better than PSU right now. Washington proved they were pretenders when they faced USC. They are simply too small up front to compete with the big boys IMO.

I get that the 39 point loss to Michigan still lingers in the Committee's mind, but you are a completely different team since that game.

If it was me, I would rank it like this.

1) Bama
2) Clemson
3) OSU
4) PSU

Unfortunately, I see the Committee putting Washington in at #4, which is a mistake.

Thanks for the kind words. I would switch OSU and PSU though, based on head to head.

 

[lionville]

They are neither. I am merely stating that a conference championship should not be the lone factor in deciding the playoff seeds.

Hypothetical question. Would you put Virginia Tech in the playoffs had they beaten Clemson last night? That would make them ACC champions.

Conference championships are important but you have to look at the big picture.

Does a 7-9 NFL division champion make the playoffs???

 

[BoogieKnight]

RU grad here and agree with OP. You guys deserve to be in. If hell ever freezes over and we are in your position we already know we'd get ****ed over too. You deserve better. Good luck in the Rose Bowl. Represent the B1G well.

 

[Mixolydian]

Does a 7-9 NFL division champion make the playoffs???

Not if the second place team in their division that also finishes 7-9 but lost head to head wins more exhibition games...

 

[johnmpsu]

RU grad here and agree with OP. You guys deserve to be in. If hell ever freezes over and we are in your position we already know we'd get ****ed over too. You deserve better. Good luck in the Rose Bowl. Represent the B1G well.

Thanks, SCREW the Big 10. We will represent PSU well.

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

Why do posters like you have to do this stuff. Guy comes here and pays PSU a nice compliment and you reply with dismissing his team. Understand your point but how about save it for another thread, just maybe.

Apologies to you and the OP....had no intention of demeaning his team. Just suggesting that the "eyeball test" shouldn't factor higher than actual on the field play. No disrespect intended, which is why I said, "All due respect."

 

[DCBUCK84]

Predictable with UW at #4. That game is going to be real ugly, like 55-6 ugly. PSU's offense would have given Bama some trouble and it would have been competitive at least.

 

[Locolion]

Apologies to you and the OP....had no intention of demeaning his team. Just suggesting that the "eyeball test" shouldn't factor higher than actual on the field play. No disrespect intended, which is why I said, "All due respect."

I honestly can't stand this "eyeball" test to wihich all give credence. As if Condaleeza Rice can tell who cam beat who. Clearly this is the top attribute in determining who is in the playoffs. Must be based on conference championships. Be your conf champ and get in - even if that means big 5 conferences plus one at large

 

[Upperrwestsidetrojan]

Outside of Bama, no team is playing better than PSU right now. Washington proved they were pretenders when they faced USC. They are simply too small up front to compete with the big boys IMO.

I get that the 39 point loss to Michigan still lingers in the Committee's mind, but you are a completely different team since that game.

If it was me, I would rank it like this.

1) Bama
2) Clemson
3) OSU
4) PSU

Unfortunately, I see the Committee putting Washington in at #4, which is a mistake.

uw blew out its last 3 opponents. 2 were very good teams. psu did not.

 

[razpsu]

It still came down to the two losses vs one for other three. Football is not as advanced yet as basketball where they look at how good you have become. They simply say, well that team has two losses and the others don't. Done deal.

 

[YorkCoLion]

uw blew out its last 3 opponents. 2 were very good teams. psu did not.

MSU - 42-12. Blowout. (Wrong on that count)
Rutgres- 39-0. Blowout (Wrong again)
Indiana - 45-31. 45 points is pretty good, we'll say "strong showing". (Wrong again
Iowa - 41-14. Blowout (wrong again)


I sense a pattern here, trojanman. You seem to be wrong a lot about PSU. Please continue to underestimate this team.

 

[fairfaxlion2]

It still came down to the two losses vs one for other three. Football is not as advanced yet as basketball where they look at how good you have become. They simply say, well that team has two losses and the others don't. Done deal.

Yep. It's like when basketball looked at whether you won 20 games and that was it (which was like 40 years ago).

 

[Safety Blitz]

If we had just completed the comeback against Pitt we'd be a lock.

I don't know about that.
I'm of the mind that many on the committee knew the four teams they wanted, then looked for the reasons to back their decisions.
Even with a win over Pitt, they would use the size of the loss to Michigan to advance Washington.

 

[fairfaxlion2]

I don't know about that.
I'm of the mind that many on the committee knew the four teams they wanted, then looked for the reasons to back their decisions.
Even with a win over Pitt, they would use the size of the loss to Michigan to advance Washington.

Not talking about Washington. If we only had one loss OSU would not be in

 

[johnmpsu]

I don't know about that.
I'm of the mind that many on the committee knew the four teams they wanted, then looked for the reasons to back their decisions.
Even with a win over Pitt, they would use the size of the loss to Michigan to advance Washington.

I believe you are 100% correct. Love to know how much back room lobbying goes on. It's pretty clear what Delany and the Big want.

 

[Upperrwestsidetrojan]

MSU - 42-12. Blowout. (Wrong on that count)
Rutgres- 39-0. Blowout (Wrong again)
Indiana - 45-31. 45 points is pretty good, we'll say "strong showing". (Wrong again
Iowa - 41-14. Blowout (wrong again)


I sense a pattern here, trojanman. You seem to be wrong a lot about PSU. Please continue to underestimate this team.

first off, those were against bad teams. second. read my post. i said uw blew out its last 3 opponents. psu beat up on some weak teams-iows is decent- and then barely beat wisky with their 2nf string qb. uw crushed their last 3. that included a good wsu team and and a good col. team. psu mounted a great comeback. props to them. uw did not have to. they beat col. soundly.

 

[Jerademan74]

Outside of Bama, no team is playing better than PSU right now. Washington proved they were pretenders when they faced USC. They are simply too small up front to compete with the big boys IMO.

I get that the 39 point loss to Michigan still lingers in the Committee's mind, but you are a completely different team since that game.

If it was me, I would rank it like this.

1) Bama
2) Clemson
3) OSU
4) PSU

Unfortunately, I see the Committee putting Washington in at #4, which is a mistake.

Thanks for your sentiments, but you should swith 3 and 4 around for the way it should have been !

 

[DCBUCK84]

uw blew out its last 3 opponents. 2 were very good teams. psu did not.

Washington State is a VERY GOOD team? Wow.

UW got a huge break against Colorado when Liufau got injured. He is by far their best player and he makes that offense go. Colorado was rolling against Michigan earlier in the season and they completely stalled when he left the game.

 

[Nittany1997]

The eyeball test is a joke. Why even play the game?

 

[Mixolydian]

first off, those were against bad teams. second. read my post. i said uw blew out its last 3 opponents. psu beat up on some weak teams-iows is decent- and then barely beat wisky with their 2nf string qb. uw crushed their last 3. that included a good wsu team and and a good col. team. psu mounted a great comeback. props to them. uw did not have to. they beat col. soundly.

I watched the UW Colorado game douche bag. Colorado sucks, especially with the hobbling injured QB and the complete turd that tried to back him up. They were pathetic in every aspect. And you are a clueless dick.

 

[fairfaxlion2]

I watched the UW Colorado game douche bag. Colorado sucks, especially with the hobbling injured QB and the complete turd that tried to back him up. They were pathetic in every aspect. And you are a clueless dick.

Agree. i really like Colorado and want them to be back, but what I saw this year was nothing like their heyday under McCarthey/Neuheisel/Barnett.

I watched Colorado-Utah and it looked like two very crappy undisciplined teams.

Utah (who beat USC) runs an insanely undisciplined offense that resembles a pickup game in a parking lot.

 

[theXbomber]

Washington State please don't make me laugh. Perennial cellar dwellers except for the fact that Colorado beat them to it the last 5 years in a row. Find me one decent, not even good, just one decent win by any PAC 12 OOC team . It's doesn't exist. At least be honest the Committee took a team that took the cowards way out. What a Sham! Good strategy though. Play nobody, lose at home in November and reap the rewards of the ever moving committee goalposts to do whatever was needed to keep Penn State out. Be assured had Washington or Clemson lost they had it set up for Michigan to move into the number 4 spot. It didn't matter either way as far as Penn State was concerned the Committee under no circumstances was going to allow Penn State in . It was heads I win, tails you lose. They couldn't handle the humiliation of a school overcoming more adversity than any school has ever had to deal all courtesy of the NCAA the most corrupt institution you could ever devise.

 

[john4psu]

They are neither. I am merely stating that a conference championship should not be the lone factor in deciding the playoff seeds.

Hypothetical question. Would you put Virginia Tech in the playoffs had they beaten Clemson last night? That would make them ACC champions.

Conference championships are important but you have to look at the big picture.

Is Virginia Tech playing as well as Penn State? Have they played as well all year?

 

[dmallory7]

Unfortunately, I think the loss column is all that matters to the committee. They can say what they want, but may as well schedule powder puffs and just go undefeated. That's only if they don't go to the 8 team playoff. With the 8 team, it would benefit you to schedule tough games for seeding purposes.

I believe all this is just hype and it will still be:

1: Alabama
2: Ohio State
3: Clemson
4: Washington

LOSSES MATTER, but I'm still extremely impressed with the way PSU unexpectedly came out swinging this season.

If the loss column is all that matters along with conference leader then why isn't Western Michigan a contender at 12-0. they beat 2 B1G teams (NW & Illi) and didn't lose a game. There is subjectivity in the selection process.