You heard it here first, we WILL beat OSU this year!
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Ummm, no, I'm positive it was a made up bull$hit call because I've seen the video and the video absolutely shows Mike Hull by himself lined up well back of the DL and not only that, but clearly lined up in a "gap" between DL. At the snap, Hull takes two steps forward and jumps -- he jumps off the ground and comes nowhere close to using anybody to assist his jump. Here, after an extensive search, I found an article that has highlight videos of all the clearly bull$hit, nonsense, cheating b1g turd calls INCLUDING THIS ONE. It is an obvious bull$hit call with a huge impact (giving tO$U the ball at the 12 in the 2nd OT) which is precisely why they included the video in the article! See hotlink below:
Penn State Vs. Ohio State: When A Replay Review Isn’t A Replay Review
What Hull does in that video is ABSOLUTELY NOT A PENALTY OF ANY KIND despite what the cheating, lowlife, disgraceful, big turd clowns say!
Just so I'm clear, you're saying that you can conceive of no set of bad calls that a superior team cannot overcome? No matter what calls are made, a better team should always perform at a suffient level that those calls could not possibly affect the outcome? Okay.
Hmmmm, this article would tend to disagree and it includes videos of all the blatantly bad calls - they were all in tO$U's favor and played a huge role in 3 of tO$U's 5 scoring drives and over half of the points they scored (17 of the 31), go figure!?!? See link below:
Penn State Vs. Ohio State: When A Replay Review Isn’t A Replay Review
The leaping call was pretty straightforward and an easy one for them to make.....Hull clearly backs himself away from the neutral zone, runs forward, leaps and falls on a pile of players......Penalty
Leverage, Leaping and Landing ARTICLE 11
b. No defensive player who runs forward from beyond the neutral zone and leaps from beyond the neutral zone in an obvious attempt to block a field goal or try may land on any player(s).
Believe you are quoting the rule in regards to Punting - there is a different standard for Place Kicks. Player is allowed to run forward and jump as long as he does it between two players - which Hull did here.
NCAA Changes approved for 2012 season
From the NCAA's statement:
"The Football Rules Committee raised concern about this type of action and proposed a rule similar to the leaping rule on place kicks that does not allow the receiving team to jump over blockers, unless the player jumps straight up or between two players."
Hull clearly jumps between two players and only gets swallowed by the pack when it converges AFTER he jumped between the Center and LG. What Hull did is not a Penalty, you're full of $hit nor was it called as a penalty on any other extra point where tO$U players did the exact same thing.
I still think that it is unlikely that we win but I think that it will be way more competitive than two years ago. Big difference between Shoop defense versus Butler defense.
Don't go inserting facts and logic into this discussion. It interferes with the tin foil hats.
trying to maintain any level of objectivity, winning in CBus would be very low odds, and that assumes nothing strange around officiating. we are still far from back, and not recognized by any preseason rag as even being top 25, where tOSU is the odds on favorite to repeat and NC. most everyone sees us as between 7 and 9 win team. Phil has us at 9 wins IF we do things right.
If we enter that game 6-0, Urban will be very focused. I don't think he was focused on us last year, and we snuck up on him. In fairness, we also should have won that game, as 10 of the OSU pts were after questionable calls. IF UM is focused, we will be very fortunate to keep the game inside 20 pts spread. Watch last year's OSU game AT East Lansing = UM schooled his old buddy MD. Urban is pretty good at making his point psychologically. He will not let James score pysch points. That is why he did a beat down on OBrien two years ago = I urge you to watch that game. He challenged a 4th down spot in a "meaningless" part of the game. UM will want to teach JF a lesson, and will not care if we are still a year or two from coming back.
look at how we matchup at key positions. nothing favors us, and some of the matchups are very bad (i.e. our OL vs OSU DL). we also suffer a serious deficit in punting vs OSU, so field position could really hurt us. the odds of us experiencing a really large loss (ala what Wisky saw in BIG game) are larger than us winning.
if I think with my heart, of course I see us winning.
If we enter that game 6-0, Urban will be very focused. I don't think he was focused on us last year, and we snuck up on him. In fairness, we also should have won that game, as 10 of the OSU pts were after questionable calls. IF UM is focused, we will be very fortunate to keep the game inside 20 pts spread. Watch last year's OSU game AT East Lansing = UM schooled his old buddy MD. Urban is pretty good at making his point psychologically. He will not let James score pysch points. That is why he did a beat down on OBrien two years ago = I urge you to watch that game. He challenged a 4th down spot in a "meaningless" part of the game. UM will want to teach JF a lesson, and will not care if we are still a year or two from coming back.
look at how we matchup at key positions. nothing favors us, and some of the matchups are very bad (i.e. our OL vs OSU DL). we also suffer a serious deficit in punting vs OSU, so field position could really hurt us. the odds of us experiencing a really large loss (ala what Wisky saw in BIG game) are larger than us winning.
if I think with my heart, of course I see us winning.
Elite players like Hack will have defining moments! Hopefully it is at the Shoe. We will be 6-0 entering that game. A destructive D that wins the turnover battle will be key to getting the upset. Offensive coaches need to show they are elite also. Time will tell because we do have elite talent at the skill positions!
Even funnier, here is the full Rule:
RULE 9 / CONDUCT OF PLAYERS AND OTHERS SUBJECT TO THE RULES FR-91
Article 11
b. No defensive player who runs forward from beyond the neutral zone and leaps from beyond the neutral zone in an obvious attempt to block a field goal or try may land on any player(s).
And here is the video that unquestionably proves that Hull CLEARLY did not violate the rule as per subsections b.2 and b.3:Article 11
b. No defensive player who runs forward from beyond the neutral zone and leaps from beyond the neutral zone in an obvious attempt to block a field goal or try may land on any player(s).
- It is not a foul if the player was aligned in a stationary position within one yard of the line of scrimmage when the ball was snapped.
- It is not a foul if the player leaps from in or behind the neutral zone.
- It is not a foul if an offensive player initiates contact against the player who leaps.
Penn State Vs. Ohio State: When A Replay Review Isn’t A Replay Review
I doubt there are any statistics to back that up. In fact, I'll bet the opposite is true.
Bushwood -- is it possible? Bushwood -- please stop and consider 140 characters.
This has been an entertaining thread between two knowledgeable fan bases without either one disparaging any poster and devoid of derogatory names and slurs. Until ..... Bushwood !! As a Penn State alum, I am embarrassed that you will always find a way to enflame someone with sloppy speech patterns and everything else you practice.
Please reconsider your effectiveness in posting all of your arguments.
This has been an entertaining thread between two knowledgeable fan bases without either one disparaging any poster and devoid of derogatory names and slurs. Until ..... Bushwood !! As a Penn State alum, I am embarrassed that you will always find a way to enflame someone with sloppy speech patterns and everything else you practice.
Please reconsider your effectiveness in posting all of your arguments.
And all of the national press clipings, including the one posted, are quite consistent in identifying that b1g Turd officiating was responsible for tO$U's undeserved win and that is how "history memorialized it" - again, including the linked article which is quite consistent with all the other articles run by the national media. Even lame-o Bill Carullo admits that the calls were inexplicably "kicked", that they were game-impacting and they worked to the severe detriment of PSU at the b1g turds media days a couple weeks ago!
I should have quoted the entire sentence, which was: "In fairness to KY, it's always difficult to beat a team twice in a row, so that will impact PSU's chances of winning again this year."
It seems that your point is that PSU is more likely to win this year than they would be if they had won last year. Maybe I misunderstood?
I never said that 'I can't conceive of any set of bad calls that a superior team cannot overcome." But the better the team, the more likely you can overcome and the lesser the team the less likely.
Two points that I continue to state. One, there were some bad calls in the game that went against Penn State. Secondly, you cannot assume how the game would have played out if the correct call was made. And that goes for both OSU and PSU.
As a fellow fan I can understand the frustration at game's end. But that game is over and that season is over.
If PSU play better than OSU this year then they'll win. If bad calls are made that goes agains the N. Lions this time around, I can't deny that I will be thinking, "Sucks for PSU, but I'm glad it happened."
I don't think anyone is arguing that they were bad calls. Just, outside of this message board, no one is going to care in a month, let alone 5, 10, 15 years from now.
Back again so soon? I thought you hardly ever here? # of times I have posted on another team's board =0
Well, my point was that since psu won last year, it will be more difficult to win again this year.
