16 team playoff bracket

[cjrugger]

16 team playoff. All P5 champs get a first round home game (think division winner in the NFL). All G5 champs qualify but not guaranteed a home game. Next best 6 chosen by the BCS rankings.

The regular season would be only conference opponents. In PSU’s case, they’d play 12 out of the other 13 teams. Determine the conference champ by regular season record and scrap the CCG. If a tie happens then use some kind of tie breaker. The runner up would likely get one of the 6 at large bids. This eliminates divisions and FCS match ups.

Have you guys actually looked at who the G5 champs are?

Miami Ohio won the MAC. They lost 76-5 to OSU and 35-13 vs Cincy in September

FAU won CUSA. They lost 45-21 to OSU and 48-14 to UCF.

You think people want to watch these teams get throttled by 50 points by LSU or Clemson? They don’t in September, doubt they do in December either

 

[psuro]

Irrespective of the number of teams in a playoff the question becomes -how are they determined? Some group of people somewhere?

 

[psuro]

Have you guys actually looked at who the G5 champs are?

Miami Ohio won the MAC. They lost 76-5 to OSU and 35-13 vs Cincy in September

FAU won CUSA. They lost 45-21 to OSU and 48-14 to UCF.

You think people want to watch these teams get throttled by 50 points by LSU or Clemson? They don’t in September, doubt they do in December either

And if that G5 team wins?

I still question how the G5 schools are left out and not initiating legal action.

 

[Ranger Dan]

Nah, I think they should move to 8 conferences and then the champion of each conference goes to the playoff.

 

[GreatBasinNit]

Have you guys actually looked at who the G5 champs are?

Miami Ohio won the MAC. They lost 76-5 to OSU and 35-13 vs Cincy in September

FAU won CUSA. They lost 45-21 to OSU and 48-14 to UCF.

You think people want to watch these teams get throttled by 50 points by LSU or Clemson? They don’t in September, doubt they do in December either

I can’t speak for everybody, but this is what I enjoy about the NCAA Men’s tournament. The concept of a Cinderella doesn’t exist without a big underdog.

 

[fastlax16]

I agree with the 8 team playoff, but don't believe the group of 5 should get an auto bid... Let them play for their own separate championship...

Also, remove the divisions and play a round robin to determine the conference champion.

I agree about the g5, but you’ll end up with lawsuits if not. Necessary evil.

 

[fastlax16]

I honestly don't know how they get into the top 10 with the schedule they play. Think about it. Mediocre power 5 teams play a tougher schedule and yet they can't get in the top


Do away with divisions. They are crap anyway. They don't neccesarily bring out the 2 best teams in the conference.

but what if Ohio state and Michigan play back to back weeks?!...

 

[N&B4PSU]

Funny thing... when I play that 16 team scenario out, I still have lsu (beating bama) playing the winner of osu vs clemson.

And I still like 12 teams (if you aren't good enough to be in the top 12, tough). 1-4 get a bye, 5 plays 12, 6 plays 11, etc. Everyone gets a week rest, then 1-4 have home team. Leaves your true final four.

IMO, of course

In my happy world lol we have psu, wisky, quacks, and tigers winning and auburn plays lsu, psu plays osu, wisky play clemson, ducks and sooners fill it out (play that on Christmas... red and green unis!)

Like last year, i'd play to see those games.

 

[PennState_one]

I agree about the g5, but you’ll end up with lawsuits if not. Necessary evil.

It wouldn't surprise me in todays day and age...

 

[cjrugger]

And if that G5 team wins?

I still question how the G5 schools are left out and not initiating legal action.

No thanks. I’d rather watch the best teams compete for the championship

 

[PSUQBKeeper]

all i know is that conference champions should be in the playoff

if not there's zero reason for conference championships

 

[wilbury]

all i know is that conference champions should be in the playoff

if not there's zero reason for conference championships

I agree - right now, there really isn't a reason for a conference championship. It's pretty much worthless. If we want to keep conference championships, then every conference needs to agree on some way to best choose the two teams to play in it. Right now it doesn't work because of bad divisional alignments and unequal scheduling. If they could get this right, then you don't need to expand the playoffs because essentially conference championships are a part of it already.

 

[psuro]

No thanks. I’d rather watch the best teams compete for the championship

And how do you determine who the best teams are if it's not determined on the field? Based on what 13 people sitting in a room in Texas think?

 

[psuro]

all i know is that conference champions should be in the playoff

if not there's zero reason for conference championships

That's not true- Conference championships were first held by the SEC as another way to generate revenue and interest. It had no bearing on the teams that would eventually play for a National Champion, because the NC was determined by the pollsters.

 

[wilbury]

Possibly. They would have to beat whatever G5 team they have to play to make the final eight.

But therein lies the rub. The opportunity to win the NC should not be based on eye test or human bias. In my perfect world of college football the human element is eliminated-just like it is in pro sports.

fine, we'll just go back to the BCS

 

[psuro]

fine, we'll just go back to the BCS

You could actually use a BCS formula to fill out the 3 remaining spots in the 8 team playoff. It would be better than a group of people sitting around making decisions as to who goes and who does not.

The key is to get the human element out of it.

 

[wilbury]

You could actually use a BCS formula to fill out the 3 remaining spots in the 8 team playoff. It would be better than a group of people sitting around making decisions as to who goes and who does not.

The key is to get the human element out of it.

I understand your point but when we had the BCS, people complained that you needed someone to actually look at it objectively to make the selections. It's flawed in either way and you'll never make everyone happy.

I'd prefer to move toward some model that allows more impartial scheduling - either by conference or a higher level if possible so that it would make it easier for a committee to evaluate teams vs each other. It will probably never happen because of the money involved but right now it's sort of apples and oranges.

 

[NoVa Lion]

[QUOTE="Still in State College, post: 4544198, member: 2434"]Can't support anything that eliminates half of the teams before a game is played. I like 16 but it must include all conference champs. To have a real championship every team must have a chance at game one to win it all. Most can't but they need the chance.[/QUOTE]

+1000. Especially the part I bolded.

 

[MJG-90]

I prefer tradition. I'd love to go back to 4 New Year's Day bowls. And have those bowls decide a final four to be played the next two weeks. Go back to Big Ten vs. Pac 12 in the Rose Bowl. Put the Big XII in the Cotton Bowl vs. an at large. SEC vs. at large in the Sugar Bowl and ACC vs. at large in the Orange Bowl.

Let the G5 conferences figure out how they want to be represented -- they get one slot. They can have a playoff among their conference champs if they want. But only one gets to play New Year's Day. That leaves two at large spots for the two highest ranked non conference champs or independent teams.

Simple. Traditional.

 

[Still in State College]

If the G5 is in the same "division" they have to be included to have a true championship. App State, Boise, Memphis, Miami (OH) and Florida Atl all deserve a shot at the championship. It isn't likely but they are DIV FBS Champions and should be able to play.

 

[77 PSU]

How about you just have the 10 conference champions qualify. No "eye test" except for seeding. The 7-10/8-9 games are played this Saturday, one before Army-Navy and one at night. I am sure two of the whatever our sponsor's name is this year would love to host these games.

Quarter finals are New Years Day. This year the semi's would be played the night of 1/10 and then early Saturday the 12th so it would be complete before the 1st NFL Divisional game. The NY6 bowls can rotate when they host quarters or semi's.

Final game would be the Saturday night during the off weekend before the Super Bowl.

This would encourage better OOC match ups and probably cause some conferences to look at balancing their divisions. We complain about the BIG East but the SEC West is just as bad as the SEC East has won one championship in the last 10 years.

 

[Kiber]

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The 7/10 game vs Baylor would be interesting.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

The reality of this season.... why would anyone other than LSU, Ohio State, Clemson and probably Oklahoma DESERVE ... key word = DESERVE ... the right to be playing for a national championship??

Does Georgia with 2 loses and a home loss to South Carolina DESERVE a shot?
Does Oregon with 2 loses and a loss to AZ State DESERVE a shot?
Does a Wisconsin with 3 loses and a loss to lowly Illinois DESERVE a shot?
.....

In college football EVERY team had 12 games to prove themselves and EARN a shot at the title. So now we'd play 12 games, and even if you did not EARN a shot to play for a National Title, we'll say "Ok, do over, no you all get another shot".

 

[cjrugger]

And how do you determine who the best teams are if it's not determined on the field? Based on what 13 people sitting in a room in Texas think?

If you don't think Georgia and Baylor are better than Miami Ohio and FAU, I don't know what to tell you

 

[KnightSlayer]

If the G5 is in the same "division" they have to be included to have a true championship. App State, Boise, Memphis, Miami (OH) and Florida Atl all deserve a shot at the championship. It isn't likely but they are DIV FBS Champions and should be able to play.

One team from the G5 is more than enough. If they want to threaten a lawsuit, then the P5 and a select group of other schools can form their own conference and ZERO G5 teams can get in. The last thing I want to see is Memphis (70th SOS), Boise St (86th SOS) and App St (108th SOS) in an 8 team playoff.

 

[psugisher]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

The reality of this season.... why would anyone other than LSU, Ohio State, Clemson and probably Oklahoma DESERVE ... key word = DESERVE ... the right to be playing for a national championship??

Does Georgia with 2 loses and a home loss to South Carolina DESERVE a shot?
Does Oregon with 2 loses and a loss to AZ State DESERVE a shot?
Does a Wisconsin with 3 loses and a loss to lowly Illinois DESERVE a shot?
.....

In college football EVERY team had 12 games to prove themselves and EARN a shot at the title. So now we'd play 12 games, and even if you did not EARN a shot to play for a National Title, we'll say "Ok, do over, no you all get another shot".

Here.. I'll help.. in college football, schedules are all unbalanced. Clemson beat zero playoff quality teams. They are in the playoff because of what? Even within our conference, some teams play good crossover opponents, some play not as good. Some play 5 games on the road, some play 4. Across the country, some teams play all creampuffs out of conference. Some schedule more power 5 schools. If Oregon played Portland State week 1 instead of Auburn, they'd be in the playoff. Penn State played at Ohio State this year. Maybe we beat them if we're at home. Ohio State had a back loaded schedule. They were fresh for the end of the season. There's a ton of factors that go into a team's record other than how good they actually are. A playoff balances all those things out at the end. You have to earn your way there. If you lost a couple, then your road is more difficult. Teams evolve during a season. Some get better, some get worse. Some have lots of injuries and when they get healthy they perform at an elite level.

I'm sick of committees and the eye test and the subjectivity that goes into determining who plays for a championship. Oklahoma's road to the playoff was beating Baylor twice and not much else. Clemson beat nobody. LSU beat teams from their region. OSU beat teams from their region. Bottom line for me is teams should have an objective way to get to the playoff other than, "win all your games". That doesn't encourage good scheduling and penalizes teams who actually play a tough schedule. Eliminate the subjectivity and the bias as much as possible.

Put in the Conference champions.. all 11 of them. They went and won something tangible. Then 5 wild cards. Power 5 champs get the a top 5 seed and a home game in the first round no matter what. Reward them. You get top seed, you host Miami, OH this year. First two games on campus. Would make the conference championship games mean a ton. Every one of them. Would also make a lot more games matter in November with 2 loss teams trying to show they deserve to be in the playoff. Only a handful of games mean anything in November currently. First round games would be the cinderalla games. 12-1 Memphis, 12-1 App State, 12-1 Boise State all get their shot. All have shown they can be giant killers. I'm guessing they'll win their share of games over time.

You know what else? It'd be freaking fun. We have 37 exhibition games instead. More meaningful football is what I want.

 

[KnightSlayer]

Here.. I'll help.. in college football, schedules are all unbalanced. Clemson beat zero playoff quality teams. They are in the playoff because of what? Even within our conference, some teams play good crossover opponents, some play not as good. Some play 5 games on the road, some play 4. Across the country, some teams play all creampuffs out of conference. Some schedule more power 5 schools. If Oregon played Portland State week 1 instead of Auburn, they'd be in the playoff. Penn State played at Ohio State this year. Maybe we beat them if we're at home. Ohio State had a back loaded schedule. They were fresh for the end of the season. There's a ton of factors that go into a team's record other than how good they actually are. A playoff balances all those things out at the end. You have to earn your way there. If you lost a couple, then your road is more difficult. Teams evolve during a season. Some get better, some get worse. Some have lots of injuries and when they get healthy they perform at an elite level.

I'm sick of committees and the eye test and the subjectivity that goes into determining who plays for a championship. Oklahoma's road to the playoff was beating Baylor twice and not much else. Clemson beat nobody. LSU beat teams from their region. OSU beat teams from their region. Bottom line for me is teams should have an objective way to get to the playoff other than, "win all your games". That doesn't encourage good scheduling and penalizes teams who actually play a tough schedule. Eliminate the subjectivity and the bias as much as possible.

Put in the Conference champions.. all 11 of them. They went and won something tangible. Then 5 wild cards. Power 5 champs get the a top 5 seed and a home game in the first round no matter what. Reward them. You get top seed, you host Miami, OH this year. First two games on campus. Would make the conference championship games mean a ton. Every one of them. Would also make a lot more games matter in November with 2 loss teams trying to show they deserve to be in the playoff. Only a handful of games mean anything in November currently. First round games would be the cinderalla games. 12-1 Memphis, 12-1 App State, 12-1 Boise State all get their shot. All have shown they can be giant killers. I'm guessing they'll win their share of games over time.

You know what else? It'd be freaking fun. We have 37 exhibition games instead. More meaningful football is what I want.

All 11 conferences in the playoffs? Worst idea ever. Will never happen.

 

[zubrus1]

64 team playoff like the basketball tournament so that sPitt gets in every 3-5 years.

 

[Texas Lion]

G5 needs their own playoff system.

 

[The Spin Meister]

Just to chime in.....I'd be happy with 8 teams. There seems to be a huge difference in the top five teams and 10-15. An 8 may occasionally get hot and win it all but I just don't see a12 or 15 making that run.

And with eight you only have three rounds and only the two finalists play three extra games.

 

[psugisher]

All 11 conferences in the playoffs? Worst idea ever. Will never happen.

Champions playing each other? I know.. crazy talk. How about we vote who's best?

 

[fastlax16]

I enjoy the NCAA tourney, but it often leads to duds. I’m much more interested in watching LSU/OU and OSU/Clemson than I am Texas Tech/MSU and Auburn/UVA. I also would rather the OSU game mean something. It sucks when it essentially ends our season, but if we beat them and catapult ourselves into the CFP it’s a huge game. Regular season college hoops has none of that. UK lost to Evansville and it will have no affect on their season.

just because basketball does it doesn’t mean everybody else should

OSU lost to us in 2016 and it had no affect on their season. Wisconsin lost to Illinois and it had no affect on their season. OSU could have lost to Wisconsin last weekend and it would have had no impact on their season. The idea that every game matters in college football is a giant crock of shit.

 

[PSUinSTL]

My solution is an 8 team playoff with up to 16 teams competing.

1) All 5 P5 Champions are in (10 teams have a shot to qualify)
Winner of each CCG game is in.
2) 1 Week later have 3 games. They will be played around the country - stadiums/cities can bid
Game 1 - best 2 G5 champions play each other
Games 2/3 - 4 best teams who haven't qualified are play

For games 2/3 - you could put stipulations if 2 teams from the same conference are battling - they play or if 2 CCG losers are in the games they play - so 1 team doesn't have an unfair advantage by missing the CCG game.

You will now have 8 teams (5 p5 champs, 1 non p5 champ, 2 wildcards)

Round 1
1 v 8 etc. at the higher ranked teams field
semis/finals in bowls (as today).

I would also add caveat that to host you must win your conference (if you are in one)

 

[PearlSUJam]

 

[bmw199]

My solution is an 8 team playoff with up to 16 teams competing.

1) All 5 P5 Champions are in (10 teams have a shot to qualify)
Winner of each CCG game is in.
2) 1 Week later have 3 games. They will be played around the country - stadiums/cities can bid
Game 1 - best 2 G5 champions play each other
Games 2/3 - 4 best teams who haven't qualified are play

For games 2/3 - you could put stipulations if 2 teams from the same conference are battling - they play or if 2 CCG losers are in the games they play - so 1 team doesn't have an unfair advantage by missing the CCG game.

You will now have 8 teams (5 p5 champs, 1 non p5 champ, 2 wildcards)

Round 1
1 v 8 etc. at the higher ranked teams field
semis/finals in bowls (as today).

I would also add caveat that to host you must win your conference (if you are in one)

Someone could end up playing 17 games. I think that is unlikely.

Just go to 8 teams. First round week after Conference championships. 5 Winners of conference and 3 true at large picked by committee. G5 and independent need to get there by playing challenging schedules and being ranked in the top 8 by the committee. Subjective and unfair for a few, but overall better. If a G5 is undefeated i think the committee would likely include them in the 8 unless there are just a bunch of really good 2 loss teams or 1 loss conference championship losers, which hasn't happened.

 

[Nitwit97]

And if that G5 team wins?

I still question how the G5 schools are left out and not initiating legal action.

My guess is they get some money through the NCAAA, so they do not want to rock that boat.

 

[lj4heisman1]

Eight teams first round home field top four seeds

 

[Still in State College]

Group 5's will never have good enough schedule because you have to play your league games and P5 teams don't want to play G5 teams that they could lose to.

It will remain MNC until all have a chance

 

[KnightSlayer]

Champions playing each other? I know.. crazy talk. How about we vote who's best?

Yeah, an 8-5 MAC champ, Boise St with the 108th ranked schedule getting in over a 10-2 Penn State who only lost on the road to OSU and Minnesota. Who could argue with logic like that.

 

[PennState_one]

Yeah, an 8-5 MAC champ, Boise St with the 108th ranked schedule getting in over a 10-2 Penn State who only lost on the road to OSU and Minnesota. Who could argue with logic like that.

Yeah the idea is crap. Again, G5 teams need it's own playoff system. It's simply not right to give them an auto bid with the schedules they play when you have power 5 teams getting left out with much harder schedules...

 

[Mufasa94]

OSU lost to us in 2016 and it had no affect on their season..

The week they lost, they lost having things in their control. It eventually worked out for them, but it certainly had an impact at the time.

Wisconsin lost to Illinois and it had no affect on their season
.

What? That played a part in them being eliminated from the mnc chase before the CCG because of it.

OSU could have lost to Wisconsin last weekend and it would have had no impact on their season. The idea that every game matters in college football is a giant crock of shit.

I’ll add in LSU in their CCG also. That said, it is two games. LSU losing to Bama certainly would have impacted their November, and maybe December. As would have tOSU losing to our favorite team. The loss to Minny unfortunately impacted the Lions’ season greatly in a negative way (as it should have).