Anybody notice there is a big difference between the elite tier (top 3) teams and everybody else.
They are not mathematically eliminated before the finals?
Anybody notice there is a big difference between the elite tier (top 3) teams and everybody else.
I don't know about that. They won by 15.5. A healthy Nolf winning with bonus might have made that up. Which is pretty scary when you think of the facts that Zane, Hall and Bo got zero bonus in the finals and two guys lost.
The math doesn't work the same way at NCAAs, but one way to think about it is if everyone on tOSU and PSU wrestled to about the same level as they wrestled today, except you assume that at 157 Nolf gets to finals and Micah doesn't, it's basically a dead heat, and we probably pick up more bonus points.Keep in mind Nolf did compete and score 11 points, so he would of had to score 26.5 points total just for Penn State to tie. No wrestler scored over 23 in the tournament.
Nice job by tOSU, they wrestled well and probably would of won even with a healthy Nolf.
They have the same amount of national titles. That’s the only thing that matters. Just read the comments on this thread.
5-2 Nick. Was winning 5-0 late...cut him and then got a late stall I think.
Nolf wrestles and we win...B10's. Its that simple. NCAAs should be ours if Nolf can finish the tournament...which he should be able to.
9 are going. Just have to wait and see if Kuhn gets an at-large.
I didn't see the match. Did Stoll have anything to say after the match?Nevills kicking the $h1zzle out of Stoll.
Ok, tOSU won by 16.5 according to the club website not 13.5 or even 15.5. I'm back to they probably would of won anyway and I'm not changing my mind again no matter how hard you homer Penn State fans try!
I didn't see the match. Did Stoll have anything to say after the match?
I'm seeing from the PSWC website that tOSU won by 13.5 (164.5 to 151); see link.
https://www.pennstatewrestlingclub.org/content/tournament_team_score.php?id=19&type=team
You’re looking at the wrong column.
Keep in mind Nolf did compete and score 11 points, so he would of had to score 26.5 points total just for Penn State to tie and no wrestler scored over 23 in the tournament. Granted Jordan would of scored a couple less points, but still unlikely enough of a point swing to matter.
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I agree with you. This banbasket who do whatda is a what da f***@*@((@(@)Hmmm, maybe you should rewind and watch it again.
Well, Snyder and Coon were out of bounds on that last "takedown" that won the match for Snyder. They blew that call. Take that call away and maybe Coon wins the match, reducing OSU's point total.
Nice reference! Dave Mustaine would be impressed.I thought James Hetfield said that?
We still had more bonus with one of our big guns missing half the tourneyBottom line is tOSU wrestled pretty damn good this weekend and deserved the championship I don't think Nolf if would have made the difference this time. I haven't looked yet but I think Ohio State may have out bonused us for the whole tournament and that shouldn't happen.
Overall I give our team a fairly critical B-maybe it's my own expectations but I didn't see bonus points across the board like we usually can deliver even Zain in the finals didn't dominate. I expect him to win by 4+ when he doesn't have the flu. Somewhat similar to last year's milquetoast big tens to be followed by a stellar National Championship performance, and we all know what the big prize is. Cael is the master and I trust him.
We do have some work to do though. Nick Lee can tighten things up and I think he can do some real damage at the national level. I would love to see a top-four finish.
Shaq I don't know what to think about Shaq he was my biggest disappointment by far couldn't even get adequate bonus from some pretty weak early competition and looks totally outclassed by Moore. I wouldn't be surprised if we found out he was Ill this weekend.
I didn't like seeing VJ on his back in two matches and he did okay vs Imar but needs more offense to win that kind of match.
A win is a win but Bo and Mark cut it pretty close. I really liked Nevills performance, I think he delivered the best on the whole team.
Losing here is better ironically. Cenzo gets McFadden in semis instead of IMar
We still had more bonus with one of our big guns missing half the tourney
Kuhn is done. If one of the B10 qualifiers doesn't go, NCAA doesn't take the 11th guy, they add 1 more at large, and he didn't attain bronze standard.125 - Hats off to Kuhn; seeded 14th and finished 11th. If the Jersey kid can't go - he's in, but that is definitely a big IF (but you never know). Best of luck to Carson!
Thanks for clarifying. I had read somewhere else that the only reason they wrestled the match for 11th was to have an alternate if someone didn't go. So if 11th place isn't the alternate, why wrestle that match at all?Kuhn is done. If one of the B10 qualifiers doesn't go, NCAA doesn't take the 11th guy, they add 1 more at large, and he didn't attain bronze standard.
I have a plan for Cael. He needs to schedule Fresno State next year so Nick can wrestle in front of the home crowd.
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The reason to do it would be if the winner qualifies for an at large.Thanks for clarifying. I had read somewhere else that the only reason they wrestled the match for 11th was to have an alternate if someone didn't go. So if 11th place isn't the alternate, why wrestle that match at all?
Cali - I assume you were joking with this post. You know who Nick would be wrestling if that dual happens.
Please, let's not go there.Shaq I don't know what to think about Shaq he was my biggest disappointment by far couldn't even get adequate bonus from some pretty weak early competition and looks totally outclassed by Moore. I wouldn't be surprised if we found out he was Ill this weekend.
If healthy Jason is undefeated and wrestles Jordan in semi-finals. That eliminates the 6 placement points between 2 and 6 places, 1 advancement point and 2 points for the fall. So far a total 9 points.Keep in mind Nolf did compete and score 11 points, so he would of had to score 26.5 points total just for Penn State to tie and no wrestler scored over 23 in the tournament. Granted Jordan would of scored a couple less points, but still unlikely enough of a point swing to matter.
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Why not? I'm sure they've done it hundreds of times.
141 - Lee; seeded 2nd and finished 3rd. This guy could win it all or finish off the platform and everything in between.
165 - Joseph; seeded 3rd and finished 2nd. Joseph hasn't looked as sharp to me as he did earlier in the year. This will be a very tough weight class. He'll have to navigate between Massa and/or Marinelli - not a easy task. Joseph should make it to the finals but Martinez will be very tough.
174 - Hall; seeded 1st and finished as Champ. Looked very good and was a bonus point leader for the team. Should repeat as Champ.
197 - Shak; seeded 2nd and finished 2nd. This was not the Shak we saw leading up to the tournament; for whatever reason he seemed rattled. Bonus points were his pre-tournament mantra, but he was held to one major. He clearly has the talent to win it all; I hope he remembers how he wrestled at the Scuffle.
Hats off to tOSU; they seemed to want to win more than the good guys. I think the national tournament plays to Penn State's strengths, but we'll have to see if the team wants it as much as their fans do.