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2018 B1G Championship Session 4 Thread

I don't know about that. They won by 15.5. A healthy Nolf winning with bonus might have made that up. Which is pretty scary when you think of the facts that Zane, Hall and Bo got zero bonus in the finals and two guys lost.

Keep in mind Nolf did compete and score 11 points, so he would of had to score 26.5 points total just for Penn State to tie and no wrestler scored over 23 in the tournament. Granted Jordan would of scored a couple less points, but still unlikely enough of a point swing to matter.

If it helps, I edited my post to add probably ;)
 
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Keep in mind Nolf did compete and score 11 points, so he would of had to score 26.5 points total just for Penn State to tie. No wrestler scored over 23 in the tournament.
The math doesn't work the same way at NCAAs, but one way to think about it is if everyone on tOSU and PSU wrestled to about the same level as they wrestled today, except you assume that at 157 Nolf gets to finals and Micah doesn't, it's basically a dead heat, and we probably pick up more bonus points.

I'm comfortable with how this tournament went, I think we'll be fine in two weeks.
 
Nice job by tOSU, they wrestled well and probably would of won even with a healthy Nolf.

Nolf had 11pts....team lost by 13.5 pts...Mark Hall and Micic had 23 pts to lead all wrestlers.

Yes he could have made it real interesting.
 
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You guys make it hard to give tOSU credit, lol. I went from "would of" to "probably would of" to "maybe they still would have." Should of known better to make a statement like that without working out all the math.
 
I see that N Lee scored more tourney points than Pletcher. I wonder if OSU fans are as critical of Pletcher as some PSU fans are of Lee.
 
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5-2 Nick. Was winning 5-0 late...cut him and then got a late stall I think.

Nolf wrestles and we win...B10's. Its that simple. NCAAs should be ours if Nolf can finish the tournament...which he should be able to.

9 are going. Just have to wait and see if Kuhn gets an at-large.

It's not that simple.

I think the scoring difference was 13.5 (164.5 to 151). Nolf scored 6 placement points for 6th place, whereas first place is worth 16 points. And there would be an advancement point for a win in the semis. So that's 11 points of the needed 13.5 to tie. So Nolf would still need another 2.5 bonus points against Pantaleo and then Jordan. Possible, but no guarantee.

And then factor in that Nolf is not 100% healthy. There is no assurance that he even beats Pantaleo in the semis. So, again, it's not that simple.

Also, Kuhn has just about zero chance to get an at-large bid.
 
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Ok, tOSU won by 16.5 according to the club website not 13.5 or even 15.5. I'm back to they probably would of won anyway and I'm not changing my mind again no matter how hard you homer Penn State fans try!
 
You’re looking at the wrong column.

I stand corrected. The margin was indeed 16.5. Need to look at the column headers more closely.

But this does mean that PSU loses even with a healthy Nolf. He couldn't have made up 16.5 points. And Micah Jordan's run to the finals was not influenced by Nolf.
 
tOSU wrestled lights out. Iowa crapped out- often times in upsets against the Bucks. Suriano is still my pick to win NCAAs. PSU didn't wrestle their best tourney. Odds are the stars won't align again like that for the Buckeyes. Excited to watch the big show in a few weeks!
 
Keep in mind Nolf did compete and score 11 points, so he would of had to score 26.5 points total just for Penn State to tie and no wrestler scored over 23 in the tournament. Granted Jordan would of scored a couple less points, but still unlikely enough of a point swing to matter.

If it helps, I edited my post to add probably ;)

Well, Snyder and Coon were out of bounds on that last "takedown" that won the match for Snyder. They blew that call. Take that call away and maybe Coon wins the match, reducing OSU's point total.
 
Well, Snyder and Coon were out of bounds on that last "takedown" that won the match for Snyder. They blew that call. Take that call away and maybe Coon wins the match, reducing OSU's point total.

I thought he had his right foot still in. Doesn't really matter though. The rubber match will settle it in 2 weeks.
 
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Bottom line is tOSU wrestled pretty damn good this weekend and deserved the championship I don't think Nolf if would have made the difference this time. I haven't looked yet but I think Ohio State may have out bonused us for the whole tournament and that shouldn't happen.

Overall I give our team a fairly critical B-maybe it's my own expectations but I didn't see bonus points across the board like we usually can deliver even Zain in the finals didn't dominate. I expect him to win by 4+ when he doesn't have the flu. Somewhat similar to last year's milquetoast big tens to be followed by a stellar National Championship performance, and we all know what the big prize is. Cael is the master and I trust him.

We do have some work to do though. Nick Lee can tighten things up and I think he can do some real damage at the national level. I would love to see a top-four finish.

Shaq I don't know what to think about Shaq he was my biggest disappointment by far couldn't even get adequate bonus from some pretty weak early competition and looks totally outclassed by Moore. I wouldn't be surprised if we found out he was Ill this weekend.

I didn't like seeing VJ on his back in two matches and he did okay vs Imar but needs more offense to win that kind of match.

A win is a win but Bo and Mark cut it pretty close. I really liked Nevills performance, I think he delivered the best on the whole team.
 
125 - Hats off to Kuhn; seeded 14th and finished 11th. If the Jersey kid can't go - he's in, but that is definitely a big IF (but you never know). Best of luck to Carson!

133 - Keener; seeded 6th and finished 7th. Glad he got the automatic B1G bid, but I don't think we'll see many points from him at nationals.

141 - Lee; seeded 2nd and finished 3rd. This guy could win it all or finish off the platform and everything in between. Lots of great talent in this weight class that is not in the B1G, so if Lee can get to the platform, regardless of the placing, it will be a win for the Nits.

149 - Zain is Zain; seeded 1st and finished as Champ. Should three-peat as Champ and hopefully with lots of bonus points.

157 - Nolf; seeded 2nd and finished 6th do to medical forfeit. Physically I think he is good enough to win at nationals, but he will wrestle cautiously so I don't expect the bonus point totals he usually gets. I fully expect Nolf to repeat as champion which will be critical for the team race.

165 - Joseph; seeded 3rd and finished 2nd. Joseph hasn't looked as sharp to me as he did earlier in the year. This will be a very tough weight class. He'll have to navigate between Massa and/or Marinelli - not a easy task. Joseph should make it to the finals but Martinez will be very tough.

174 - Hall; seeded 1st and finished as Champ. Looked very good and was a bonus point leader for the team. Should repeat as Champ.

184 - Bo; seeded 1st and finished as Champ. Did not score a bunch of bonus points, but he should repeat as Champ. Martin is his closest competitor.

197 - Shak; seeded 2nd and finished 2nd. This was not the Shak we saw leading up to the tournament; for whatever reason he seemed rattled. Bonus points were his pre-tournament mantra, but he was held to one major. He clearly has the talent to win it all; I hope he remembers how he wrestled at the Scuffle.

285 - Nevills; seeded 3rd and finished 3rd. I felt Nick had a solid tournament. After his below par performance at the Scuffle, he has shown the talent and skills we always expected of him this year.

Hats off to tOSU; they seemed to want to win more than the good guys. I think the national tournament plays to Penn State's strengths, but we'll have to see if the team wants it as much as their fans do.
 
Bottom line is tOSU wrestled pretty damn good this weekend and deserved the championship I don't think Nolf if would have made the difference this time. I haven't looked yet but I think Ohio State may have out bonused us for the whole tournament and that shouldn't happen.

Overall I give our team a fairly critical B-maybe it's my own expectations but I didn't see bonus points across the board like we usually can deliver even Zain in the finals didn't dominate. I expect him to win by 4+ when he doesn't have the flu. Somewhat similar to last year's milquetoast big tens to be followed by a stellar National Championship performance, and we all know what the big prize is. Cael is the master and I trust him.

We do have some work to do though. Nick Lee can tighten things up and I think he can do some real damage at the national level. I would love to see a top-four finish.

Shaq I don't know what to think about Shaq he was my biggest disappointment by far couldn't even get adequate bonus from some pretty weak early competition and looks totally outclassed by Moore. I wouldn't be surprised if we found out he was Ill this weekend.

I didn't like seeing VJ on his back in two matches and he did okay vs Imar but needs more offense to win that kind of match.

A win is a win but Bo and Mark cut it pretty close. I really liked Nevills performance, I think he delivered the best on the whole team.
We still had more bonus with one of our big guns missing half the tourney
 
125 - Hats off to Kuhn; seeded 14th and finished 11th. If the Jersey kid can't go - he's in, but that is definitely a big IF (but you never know). Best of luck to Carson!
Kuhn is done. If one of the B10 qualifiers doesn't go, NCAA doesn't take the 11th guy, they add 1 more at large, and he didn't attain bronze standard.
 
Kuhn is done. If one of the B10 qualifiers doesn't go, NCAA doesn't take the 11th guy, they add 1 more at large, and he didn't attain bronze standard.
Thanks for clarifying. I had read somewhere else that the only reason they wrestled the match for 11th was to have an alternate if someone didn't go. So if 11th place isn't the alternate, why wrestle that match at all?
 
I have a plan for Cael. He needs to schedule Fresno State next year so Nick can wrestle in front of the home crowd.

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Cali - I assume you were joking with this post. You know who Nick would be wrestling if that dual happens.
 
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Thanks for clarifying. I had read somewhere else that the only reason they wrestled the match for 11th was to have an alternate if someone didn't go. So if 11th place isn't the alternate, why wrestle that match at all?
The reason to do it would be if the winner qualifies for an at large.

But Jimenez wouldn't have either, so that doesn't make sense either. Except Big Ten.
 
Shaq I don't know what to think about Shaq he was my biggest disappointment by far couldn't even get adequate bonus from some pretty weak early competition and looks totally outclassed by Moore. I wouldn't be surprised if we found out he was Ill this weekend.
Please, let's not go there.
 
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Keep in mind Nolf did compete and score 11 points, so he would of had to score 26.5 points total just for Penn State to tie and no wrestler scored over 23 in the tournament. Granted Jordan would of scored a couple less points, but still unlikely enough of a point swing to matter.

If it helps, I edited my post to add probably ;)
If healthy Jason is undefeated and wrestles Jordan in semi-finals. That eliminates the 6 placement points between 2 and 6 places, 1 advancement point and 2 points for the fall. So far a total 9 points.

Jason wins so 10 addition placement points, 1 advancement point and assume a MD and dec, so 1 more bonus point. Jason's total is 12 points
A total point shift of 21 points.
I found 2 team score totals. I will use the biggest seperation.,16.5.
So now the Lions are 4.5 points ahead.
So if Jordan finishes 3rd Bucksnuts win. If Jordan finishes 4th with no bonus the Nits win by a point. If Jordan places 4th with 1 bonus it is a tie. If 4th with more than a single bonus Bucksnuts win.

A healthy Jason tossrs the whole up in the air.

However, we did not have a healthy Jason so Buckernutters win.
 
Why not? I'm sure they've done it hundreds of times.

Keep your fingers crossed that they end up on opposite brackets at the NCAA tournament. I can guarantee that they do not want to meet in head to head competition there.
 
141 - Lee; seeded 2nd and finished 3rd. This guy could win it all or finish off the platform and everything in between.

165 - Joseph; seeded 3rd and finished 2nd. Joseph hasn't looked as sharp to me as he did earlier in the year. This will be a very tough weight class. He'll have to navigate between Massa and/or Marinelli - not a easy task. Joseph should make it to the finals but Martinez will be very tough.

174 - Hall; seeded 1st and finished as Champ. Looked very good and was a bonus point leader for the team. Should repeat as Champ.

197 - Shak; seeded 2nd and finished 2nd. This was not the Shak we saw leading up to the tournament; for whatever reason he seemed rattled. Bonus points were his pre-tournament mantra, but he was held to one major. He clearly has the talent to win it all; I hope he remembers how he wrestled at the Scuffle.

Hats off to tOSU; they seemed to want to win more than the good guys. I think the national tournament plays to Penn State's strengths, but we'll have to see if the team wants it as much as their fans do.

Lots of questionable statements in here:

Nick Lee is not a legit title contender and will not "win it all". He's just not at that level, at least not yetl. Hopefully he'll get there, but not this year.

The 165 lb weight class is an absolute mine field. Joseph is as good as anyone in the class, but to say anyone "should" make the final in that weight class is presumptive IMO.

Mark Hall is probably a 50/50 choice against Valencia.

It's not clear at all that Rasheed "has the talent to win it all". He didn't look great against Moore and another big powerful guy like Haight could pose real problems.

And questioning whether the team really wants to win is downright silly.
 

“Tom Ryan knew they had a shot.” Huh? Isn’t this a little like Flo saying “Zain knew he had a shot” to win B1Gs? When you have the “greatest dual team in history” (;)) and you’re favored to win B1Gs throughout the season, you’re not really going out on a limb or invoking a Vision Quest type moment by saying you knew you had a shot. :rolleyes:
 
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