2018 Recruiting Thread
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Wilkins was never a lock to PSU. It was a combination of Wilkins saying almost nothing definitive to the press, those that follow PSU recruiting for a living writing a number of positive articles about PSU's chances, and PSU fans getting a tad ahead of the cart, so to speak.
FWIW, Clemson's coaching staff was stunned when he verballed to them. He did a very good job of hiding his feelings about each respective university that recruited him.
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Meyer said in his Cotton Bowl press conference that there are only two spots left in the OSU 2018 recruiting class. Interesting, with Walker, Oweh, and Smith still out there.
Sorry I'm not in on tOSU recruiting other than the prospects we're in on together. I wonder how many more targets they have outside of those 3. You had to know with spots winding down that some very candid conversations happened behind the scenes with both staffs as they know how many spots are left. I'm wondering if that is why Smith said not to bother with the in home once Cox bolted.
That is a given, but it's late in the process right now. Of course he can process more kids if needed, but you don't usually go on the record with spots available if that is your intention. You tend to be a bit more vague if that is the case.
Didn't Urban also say that 1 or 2 had signed but not yet made it public?
If Smith, Oweh, and Walker tell Urban "I want in"... what are the odds that Urban tells one of them "No"?
Round your answer off the the nearest 1/1000th of a percent
If you Aunt had balls, she would be your Uncle too. Maybe all 3 do that and he makes space...certainly wouldn't shock me, but I find it odd he came out with a hard number. That could be him trying to force kids in or he has an idea of who is already in. We know Smith is as he told PSU not to come already. Walker has yet to take his official and we'll know by the 4th what Oweh wants to do so your percentages really dont' mean sh!t until after 1/4 as Smith and Oweh will decide by then. If they both pick OSU and Walker visits, it won't be some huge shock to the recruiting world if you think you are on to some huge point there. Yes, he isn't turning Walker away...but there could be other targets out there for them. PSU still has Enis outside of those 3...really 2. Are you aware of who else they are recruiting besides those 3?
Really my post was leading down a path of who else are they in on as we know Smith is in there. I don't know who else OSU is after beyond those 3 to be honest.
We know Smith is one. Walker is set to visit in January, and Oweh decides next week. They may also have other kids on the line as I really only pay attention to the kids that PSU is in on for the most part.
They are also after Tyler Friday, as is Penn State. Friday is apparently visiting PSU in January.
DE Jayson Oweh previews next week's commitment between PSU & OSU
https://n.rivals.com/news/rivals250-de-jayson-oweh-previews-next-week-s-commitment-between-psu-osu
https://n.rivals.com/news/rivals250-de-jayson-oweh-previews-next-week-s-commitment-between-psu-osu
If Smith, Oweh, and Walker tell Urban "I want in"... what are the odds that Urban tells one of them "No"?
Round your answer off the the nearest 1/1000th of a percent
More likely Urban knows he's not getting all three.
The other thing is he knows he has 1 in Smith and maybe 2 more? Hard to say, but hopefully PSU gets 1-2 there
"I did not sign a letter of intent during the early signing period."
This should put to rest any concerns about Urban's remark about two kids who signed but hadn't announced.
Who are you quoting? I'm guessing it's not Oweh? Do we know one way or the other about whether or not Oweh has signed?
I am sure Oweh is a solid prospect, but is DE a position of need on this roster ?
Very much so, YES...very much YES. You don't recruit for next year, but look at the depth chart in 2-3 years. That would leave PSU with roughly 4-5 assuming nobody was injured, transferred, or had a screw up. The one true DE in this class may start out at MLB so there is a big need at DE in this class. It wouldn't be the end of the world, but there is a need for a DE in this class. Franklin said that much on the early signing day.
Didn't he indicate on signing day that there were others that signed but he would have to wait to announce? I thought Smith was one of them, just waiting for the All-Star game to make the announcement.
It's very curious when these kids take so long, and just can't seem to decide. What is about one day next week that will make it all seem crystal-clear to them? I mean, absolutely nothing will change about either school in the interim, most likely. You do wonder what will make them finally tilt one way or the other.
Look at how PSU couldn't bother Barrett at all down the stretch of that OSU game. They need big time pass rushers.
You put Garrett Sickels back on this roster (he never should have left early for the NFL), see what he did against OSU the prior year (2.5 sacks, 3.5 TFL in a half iirc), and we probably win that OSU game and are in the CFP. Razor thin margin.
You put Garrett Sickels back on this roster (he never should have left early for the NFL), see what he did against OSU the prior year (2.5 sacks, 3.5 TFL in a half iirc), and we probably win that OSU game and are in the CFP. Razor thin margin.
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It may not be position of need on this roster in your analysis. But CJF said DE IS a position of need (his analysis, and 12/20 comments on early signing day), so we may as well go with CJF.......
He knows now, it’s his platform and he deserves to announce how and when he wants. Why not get more twitter folllowers and boast your social status? It’s how these kids do business these days and they see themselves as an organization
Yep, DE's with size and speed. Like YGM. And for all we know Barber. Miller is probably our most complete DE at the end of this season, but Toney and Simmons are not every down DE's at this point and they showed that against duh-oh-high-ya.... We know Toney is quick but that asset really only stands out in obvious passing downs, and he still has work to do to be able to get to the QB against better OT's. And Simmons may not ever get big enough to dominate against the run, but his quickness does allow him to make backside tackles other players may not make.
I believe CJF is looking for 1 or 2 in the mold of YGM...... Quick, big frame that will be 270+, and an every down DE, just like Nassib was....
Yes, on the size and speed at that position.
Not only the rush itself, but how the longer DEs can knock down passes and affect the throwing lanes. Just re-watched the PSU vs Iowa game, and Iowa's tall DEs knocked down a bunch of passes and that slowed down PSU's offense.
Not only the rush itself, but how the longer DEs can knock down passes and affect the throwing lanes. Just re-watched the PSU vs Iowa game, and Iowa's tall DEs knocked down a bunch of passes and that slowed down PSU's offense.
Here is a list from 2006-2015 MNC winners with their recruiting rankings for the previous 4 years. With one exception (Auburn had Cam Newton) There has not been a team win the MNC with less than a top 8 class average over the previous 4 years in awhile...
Just to explain my thinking, we stand to have the same number of scholarship players on the roster available for 2018 at both LB and DE, excluding Micah Parsons, because we aren’t quite sure where he will end up.
The thing is, we put 3 LB’s on the field at a time in most situations versus 2 DE’s at a time.
Now, I know DE’s are generally rotated more during the game, so it may not be as out of balance as it seems on paper. However, we also have a guy slated to play LB in Tarburton who is already at about the upper size limit for an LB coming in as a freshman. So, it is possible that this position / scholarship imbalance will get even bigger without adequate recruiting inputs by 2019 if both Parsons and Tarburton end up playing DE.
I would feel better if we got another good LB in this class.
Really, which one you have in mind at LB? Not sure who you are thinking about.
Which recruit ? I would say anybody who could eventually play close to Cabinda’s level.
The problem with LB is that we didn’t get the numbers we needed in 2015 and 2016.
Ok, wasn't sure there. So nobody since they aren't in on one.
Here is a list from 2006-2015 MNC winners with their recruiting rankings for the previous 4 years. With one exception (Auburn had Cam Newton) There has not been a team win the MNC with less than a top 8 class average over the previous 4 years in awhile...
High correlation to top 10 and really top 5 average classes. Sorry pitt and other dreamers......
And we also play a lot of 4-2-5, so in reality we don't need 3 LB's for the full game. And big Safety's make good 3rd LB's that can cover. And as you pointed out the LB's do not rotate near as much as DE's. So in reality we need at least as many DE's on the roster as LB's. Just as Franklin taught us....
I don't discount coaching. Obviously the poster program for doing less with more in football is the golden domers. But today there are many more legit coaching staffs that can excel when they get talent. But fan bases that believe they can compete for MNC's with 2nd 25 talent are hallucinating....
Looking at our defensive liabilites next season, I expect especially BIG teams to try to run between the tackles. So I would be willing to bet we will play less nickel as a result. And the other problem is that with nickel, you still need two box LB’s.
I respectfully disagree we need the same number of scholarship DE’s as LB’s. LB positions generally require more development time.
It's not an either/or. To win national titles, you need to coach up top talent. That's the difference between schools like Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State and schools that recruit just as well but don't win titles like Texas, LSU, USC and Notre Dame.
I should have used the sarcasm font. You need 4-5 star recruits and great coaching to win national championships.
